Re: M_Boats: lifeline and stern pulpit questions
Has anyone found any problems putting lifelines on M17's
IMO for lifelines to be safe(er) they must hit you near the hip. if lower they become more dangerous as they become a trip hazard. most lifeline installs, even on boats larger than our 17s, are unsafe because they are too low. many lifeline installs are designed for an aesthetically pleasing height (which is way to low on our small boats) v. a safe height (which looks REALLY 'tall' on our small boats). installing is not a challenge. use big backing plates as you must create a stanchion base that can support your body weight being thrown at speed into the lifelines, and you/crew holding onto the lifelines while being dragged in the water. if i wanted to increase my 'stay on the boat' security i would install padeyes with good sized stainless backing plates at the foredeck and forward end of the cockpit for use with a jackline system and/or attach a lanyard. another is to put a third and fourth padeyes on the cabin top near the mast so you can use a double lanyard system to go 'on belay' from one connection point to another as you move forward and aft.
get in the way of jibs?
use the lower pulpit connection to attach the lifeline so the foredeck is clear for the headsails. you may still 'drag' a little of the headsail's foot (depending on the cut of the sail).
source for making a stern pulpit?
you can get a stern pulpit from railmakers - http://www.railmakers.com/ depending on your cockpit locker situation attachment is varying levels of challenge. you need to get someone to the stern of the boat. in my M17 this would require someone to crawl down the starboard quarter berth, and then to go into the port cockpit locker. you also need small hands to attach to the small space between the aft end of the cockpit and transom hull/deck joint. you can reach this space through the stern locker, or need to install an inspection port(s) at on the aft cockpit wall. to do transom work on my M17 i recruited a good friends 10 year old son to crawl into the tight spaces. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com --- On Sat, 3/10/12, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
Has anyone found any problems putting lifelines on M17's to get in the way of jibs? Also, has anyone found a source for making a stern pulpit? Joe SeaFrog M17
----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Susman To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 12:33 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: bow pulpit question
One of my 17s had a neat option, the bases were bedded down in a permanent fashion but the pulpit was removable from the bases with either pins or bolts, simple and secure. I'll bet Gary O knows where they came from. Likely the guys that built the pulpits
________________________________ From: Tod <htmills@zoominternet.net> To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 9:27 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: bow pulpit question If you are only doing it once a year, that sounds like a great plan!
> -----Original Message----- > From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com > [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom > Frei > Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 10:35 AM > To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com > Subject: M_Boats: bow pulpit question > > Hi all. I have a late 70's M17. I've removed almost all of my deck > hardware and will paint the deck and then rebed everything once the > weather warms up here in North Dakota. I have an idea about rebedding > the bow pulpit that I want to run by people who know more than I. > After I removed the bow pulpit, I discovered I could fit the boat in my > garage. My idea is > this: what if I reattached the bow pulpit with rubber gaskets and the > normal bolts? This would allow me to remove it every year and then > store the boat in my garage. I've already drilled out the original > holes, soaked in some epoxy, so I think the holes are safe from being > invaded by water. > The ruber gasket should help too. > > Just an idea. Is it a good one, or should I just rebed the pulpit the > normal way and look for a bigger garage? > > Thanks!
Great information. Thanks Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: W David Scobie To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 1:57 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: lifeline and stern pulpit questions
Has anyone found any problems putting lifelines on M17's
IMO for lifelines to be safe(er) they must hit you near the hip. if lower they become more dangerous as they become a trip hazard. most lifeline installs, even on boats larger than our 17s, are unsafe because they are too low. many lifeline installs are designed for an aesthetically pleasing height (which is way to low on our small boats) v. a safe height (which looks REALLY 'tall' on our small boats). installing is not a challenge. use big backing plates as you must create a stanchion base that can support your body weight being thrown at speed into the lifelines, and you/crew holding onto the lifelines while being dragged in the water. if i wanted to increase my 'stay on the boat' security i would install padeyes with good sized stainless backing plates at the foredeck and forward end of the cockpit for use with a jackline system and/or attach a lanyard. another is to put a third and fourth padeyes on the cabin top near the mast so you can use a double lanyard system to go 'on belay' from one connection point to another as you move forward and aft.
get in the way of jibs?
use the lower pulpit connection to attach the lifeline so the foredeck is clear for the headsails. you may still 'drag' a little of the headsail's foot (depending on the cut of the sail).
source for making a stern pulpit?
you can get a stern pulpit from railmakers - http://www.railmakers.com/ depending on your cockpit locker situation attachment is varying levels of challenge. you need to get someone to the stern of the boat. in my M17 this would require someone to crawl down the starboard quarter berth, and then to go into the port cockpit locker. you also need small hands to attach to the small space between the aft end of the cockpit and transom hull/deck joint. you can reach this space through the stern locker, or need to install an inspection port(s) at on the aft cockpit wall. to do transom work on my M17 i recruited a good friends 10 year old son to crawl into the tight spaces. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage Marine - www.sagemarine.com --- On Sat, 3/10/12, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
Has anyone found any problems putting lifelines on M17's to get in the way of jibs? Also, has anyone found a source for making a stern pulpit? Joe SeaFrog M17
----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Susman To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 12:33 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: bow pulpit question
One of my 17s had a neat option, the bases were bedded down in a permanent fashion but the pulpit was removable from the bases with either pins or bolts, simple and secure. I'll bet Gary O knows where they came from. Likely the guys that built the pulpits
________________________________ From: Tod <htmills@zoominternet.net> To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 9:27 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: bow pulpit question
If you are only doing it once a year, that sounds like a great plan!
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Tom Frei Sent: Saturday, March 10, 2012 10:35 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: bow pulpit question
Hi all. I have a late 70's M17. I've removed almost all of my deck hardware and will paint the deck and then rebed everything once the weather warms up here in North Dakota. I have an idea about rebedding the bow pulpit that I want to run by people who know more than I. After I removed the bow pulpit, I discovered I could fit the boat in my garage. My idea is this: what if I reattached the bow pulpit with rubber gaskets and the normal bolts? This would allow me to remove it every year and then store the boat in my garage. I've already drilled out the original holes, soaked in some epoxy, so I think the holes are safe from being invaded by water. The ruber gasket should help too.
Just an idea. Is it a good one, or should I just rebed the pulpit the normal way and look for a bigger garage?
Thanks!
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