Re: M_Boats: Additional floatation...

5 Feb 2016

      I like the 'danger' factor - the thrill of a possible sinking every  time I 
go out. Floatation be damned!

My father-in-law had a big thing about floatation - every time a new boat  
with positive floatation was designed, he was all over it and ready to buy 
one  (30' +/- range!) We were going to sail the unsinkable boat to Israel -  
finally gave up on the idea - never wore his PFD though - go figure. Last  
modification to his last boat was a bulb attached to the keel - that didn't  
help much either(!) - but it was HIS modification! Bless Maurice and his  
'modifications' (many worked) 'Maury's Schmatta' - an interesting 'boned  
jib'. (didn't work so well either!) But he was ONE HELLUVA sail racer!

Have Fun, Modify your boat if you want, Go Sail (it is easier and  it 
already works fine)

GO 

In a message dated 2/4/2016 3:53:35 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
jerry@jerrymontgomery.org writes:

Which is  the reason we never put floatation in the 17!

-----Original  Message----- 
From: Tyler Backman
Sent: Thursday, February 04, 2016 1:40  PM
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
Subject: Re: M_Boats:  Additional floatation...

The M17 at 1600 lbs displaces about 726 liters  of water when floating, so 
to 
remain buoyant it would need to have at  least that much volume when 
submerged. To make it buoyant, one would need  to have total 0.726 cublic 
meters of submerged volume without adding much  weight. So to be safe and 
compensate for dense gear like tools and  batteries, you'd probably want 
about a cubic meter or about 35 cubic feet  of styrofoam - nearly the total 
storage volume you estimated. It's doable,  but would really cut into 
storage 
space.

Tyler
...
On Feb  4, 2016, at 11:55 AM, swwheatley@comcast.net wrote:
Has anyone  done the calculation for an M17? My WAG is it would take 
around 
40  cubic feet to keep the gunwales awash. There is definitely 20 cubic 
 feet of space under the cockpit and I'll bet you could find another 20  
cubic feet under the v-berth and in the forepeak. I'm not suggesting  
this 
SHOULD be done, but I think it COULD be done.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Dave Scobie"  <scoobscobie@gmail.com>
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"  
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Sent:  Wednesday, February 3, 2016 8:26:03 PM
Subject: Re: M_Boats:  Additional floatation...
The M17 will NOT float with just foam  under vberth and cockpit floor.
The M15 WILL float with foam  under the vberth and cockpit floor. Foam was
standard on all Jerry  built M15s.
:: Dave Scobie
On Feb 3, 2016 6:10 PM,  "Willy Gorrissen" <gorrissen@hotmail.com> wrote:
...
Does that hold true, that you would have to fill the boat with  
flotation,
for the M-15's?
...
Date: Wed,  3 Feb 2016 17:21:36 -0700
From:  scoobscobie@gmail.com
To:  montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com
Subject: Re: M_Boats:  Additional floatation...
The Montgomery 17s  don't have flotation. With their weight you have to
 fill
the cabin with foam in order to float the  boat.
:: Dave Scobie
On Feb 3,  2016 4:41 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com>  wrote:
...
I understand the benefits of  additional floatation, but El Nino is
crammed
 packed with it and it takes up alot of room. Is it really  necessary?
What
do you all  have?
https://www.dropbox.com/s/5eie4bberviskob/20160202_145711.jpg?dl=0
Jazz
On Feb 3, 2016 3:35 PM, "Jazzy"  <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
...
Does this drain get a screen or cap of some kind? I see it's
 threaded as
if...
 https://www.dropbox.com/s/vtnf7z48lia529k/20160202_152613.jpg?dl=0
Jazz

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