Rick had mentioned that he reefs while hove to. I do the same and find it very efficient. To do this though the boom is outboard of the cockpit and I but a turning block just aft of the reefing clew in order to lead the reefing line foward along the boom so that I am not leaning outboard of the boat while reefing. So my reefing clew arrangement is a line from a pad eye on the port side through the reefing clew, to turning block on starboard and then forward to a small horn cleat about 3 feet aft of the mast. When the boat is hove to the boat is far more stable than trying to head into the wind and everything works smoother so that I am comfortable with just a reefing hook at the gooseneck. Thanks Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" M15 #310 G
I've been reading this thread about reefing while hove to and I'm a tad confused. I had always thought the best way to reef is at a point that the mainsail has little or no wind in it such as nose into the wind. Plus the only time I was successful in heaving to (or is that hoving to..??) I had the main trimmed down the center line and tight with the jib backwinded. It takes me quite a while to heave to and by the time I get it balanced I could have reefed in a fraction of the time. When I reef I've just kind of headed into the wind and take the pressure off the main and reef it down as quickly as possible and then come back off the wind. I'm always looking for tips to improve reefing and heaving to so this sounds like something I could benefit from with a little more understanding. But like I said, I'm a tad confused. Thanks much, Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Kelch" <doug_kelch@yahoo.com> To: "Montgomery" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 3:50 PM Subject: M_Boats: Reefing arrangements
Rick had mentioned that he reefs while hove to.
I do the same and find it very efficient. To do this though the boom is outboard of the cockpit and I but a turning block just aft of the reefing clew in order to lead the reefing line foward along the boom so that I am not leaning outboard of the boat while reefing.
So my reefing clew arrangement is a line from a pad eye on the port side through the reefing clew, to turning block on starboard and then forward to a small horn cleat about 3 feet aft of the mast.
When the boat is hove to the boat is far more stable than trying to head into the wind and everything works smoother so that I am comfortable with just a reefing hook at the gooseneck.
Thanks
Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" M15 #310 G
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Joe, Interesting that catamaran sailors "park" whereas we "heave to". Must be a monohull thing. I have only done the maneuver a couple of times on the 17, but I seem to recall that it was straightforward to sheet the main hard on a port tack, then bring it up through the wind to backwind the jib, and tie the tiller back to port. The question is whether the main will be slack enough to drop in a reef or two. I sure wish I had the boat in the water to check it out. Seeing as how my boat forereaches rather emphatically while anchored in stiff winds, I still think it might be possible to heave to with the jib rolled up. Gotta try that too. There have been times on my larger boat when I did not want to round up to reduce sail (stiff tradewinds, big following seas, etc.), so I managed to reef by cranking the boom part way in, raising the topping lift a bit, and doing the job. I was glad to have the reefing lines led to mid-cockpit on the boom, as Doug suggests. It is tricky, though, to have the boom inboard on a run, unless someone is on the tiller. Must try this trick on the Monty. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla On Dec 12, 2009, at 1:07 PM, Joe Murphy wrote:
I've been reading this thread about reefing while hove to and I'm a tad confused. I had always thought the best way to reef is at a point that the mainsail has little or no wind in it such as nose into the wind. Plus the only time I was successful in heaving to (or is that hoving to..??) I had the main trimmed down the center line and tight with the jib backwinded. It takes me quite a while to heave to and by the time I get it balanced I could have reefed in a fraction of the time. When I reef I've just kind of headed into the wind and take the pressure off the main and reef it down as quickly as possible and then come back off the wind. I'm always looking for tips to improve reefing and heaving to so this sounds like something I could benefit from with a little more understanding. But like I said, I'm a tad confused. Thanks much, Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug Kelch" <doug_kelch@yahoo.com> To: "Montgomery" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 3:50 PM Subject: M_Boats: Reefing arrangements
Rick had mentioned that he reefs while hove to.
I do the same and find it very efficient. To do this though the boom is outboard of the cockpit and I but a turning block just aft of the reefing clew in order to lead the reefing line foward along the boom so that I am not leaning outboard of the boat while reefing.
So my reefing clew arrangement is a line from a pad eye on the port side through the reefing clew, to turning block on starboard and then forward to a small horn cleat about 3 feet aft of the mast.
When the boat is hove to the boat is far more stable than trying to head into the wind and everything works smoother so that I am comfortable with just a reefing hook at the gooseneck.
Thanks
Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" M15 #310 G
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I ran across an article in a recent edition of Lats&Atts. It focused on meals and recipes on boats with no refrigeration. Since this was a thread not too long ago I thought I would pass it on. There were two recipes for canned tuna but what caught my attention was that the author has a book entitled "Tin Can Magic" by Sally Ecklund. If the book has as many good recipes as the two in the article... Joe M17 Seafrog 651
Joe: I'm interested in no-fridge food too. I may buy that book. Ramen noodles, spam light, Cougar Gold cheese, cabbage and bok choi can go a week or 2 on Puget sound without a cooler. Of course in Puget you are floating in the refrigerator. ⎈--Gary ☺ On Dec 13, 2009, at 6:22 PM, Joe Murphy wrote:
I ran across an article in a recent edition of Lats&Atts. It focused on meals and recipes on boats with no refrigeration. Since this was a thread not too long ago I thought I would pass it on. There were two recipes for canned tuna but what caught my attention was that the author has a book entitled "Tin Can Magic" by Sally Ecklund. If the book has as many good recipes as the two in the article...
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Amen, Doug. Works like a charm. Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Doug Kelch Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 3:51 PM To: Montgomery Subject: M_Boats: Reefing arrangements
Rick had mentioned that he reefs while hove to.
I do the same and find it very efficient. To do this though the boom is outboard of the cockpit and I but a turning block just aft of the reefing clew in order to lead the reefing line foward along the boom so that I am not leaning outboard of the boat while reefing.
So my reefing clew arrangement is a line from a pad eye on the port side through the reefing clew, to turning block on starboard and then forward to a small horn cleat about 3 feet aft of the mast.
When the boat is hove to the boat is far more stable than trying to head into the wind and everything works smoother so that I am comfortable with just a reefing hook at the gooseneck.
Thanks
Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" M15 #310 G
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Doug, It sounds as if you can stand forward in the cockpit and do everything. My hook works fine for the first reef, but I sometimes struggle to get the second cringle over the hook when the boat is bouncing. Maybe heaving to solves that problem. Tom On Dec 12, 2009, at 12:50 PM, Doug Kelch wrote:
Rick had mentioned that he reefs while hove to.
I do the same and find it very efficient. To do this though the boom is outboard of the cockpit and I but a turning block just aft of the reefing clew in order to lead the reefing line foward along the boom so that I am not leaning outboard of the boat while reefing.
So my reefing clew arrangement is a line from a pad eye on the port side through the reefing clew, to turning block on starboard and then forward to a small horn cleat about 3 feet aft of the mast.
When the boat is hove to the boat is far more stable than trying to head into the wind and everything works smoother so that I am comfortable with just a reefing hook at the gooseneck.
Thanks
Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" M15 #310 G
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I can't imagine reefing any other way than hove to, but that's probably because I've never done it any other way. Hove to the boat is quiet and on a fairly even keel, essentially "parked". I've found that my 17 balances quite well with the boom just over the quarter and the helm hard alee, so I can get at the leach reefing line without leaning out of the boat. Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L On 12/12/09, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
Doug, It sounds as if you can stand forward in the cockpit and do everything. My hook works fine for the first reef, but I sometimes struggle to get the second cringle over the hook when the boat is bouncing. Maybe heaving to solves that problem. Tom
On Dec 12, 2009, at 12:50 PM, Doug Kelch wrote:
Rick had mentioned that he reefs while hove to.
I do the same and find it very efficient. To do this though the boom is outboard of the cockpit and I but a turning block just aft of the reefing clew in order to lead the reefing line foward along the boom so that I am not leaning outboard of the boat while reefing.
So my reefing clew arrangement is a line from a pad eye on the port side through the reefing clew, to turning block on starboard and then forward to a small horn cleat about 3 feet aft of the mast.
When the boat is hove to the boat is far more stable than trying to head into the wind and everything works smoother so that I am comfortable with just a reefing hook at the gooseneck.
Thanks
Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" M15 #310 G
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Well....hearing this from so many of you, I will use ya'll's advice and hove to when reefing. As you can see from my hull number, I'm new to the M17's with a lot to learn. It sounds like you guys are pretty adadpt at heaving to and doing it quickly. So, 'with the boom just over the quarter and the helm hard alee', how much of your jib is backwinded?? Right now I only have one jib and it is a 130 on a CDI furler. Should I furl some of it? Thanks, Joe Seafrog M17 #651 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Davies" <jdavies104@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, December 12, 2009 11:08 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Reefing arrangements
I can't imagine reefing any other way than hove to, but that's probably because I've never done it any other way. Hove to the boat is quiet and on a fairly even keel, essentially "parked". I've found that my 17 balances quite well with the boom just over the quarter and the helm hard alee, so I can get at the leach reefing line without leaning out of the boat.
Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L
On 12/12/09, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
Doug, It sounds as if you can stand forward in the cockpit and do everything. My hook works fine for the first reef, but I sometimes struggle to get the second cringle over the hook when the boat is bouncing. Maybe heaving to solves that problem. Tom
On Dec 12, 2009, at 12:50 PM, Doug Kelch wrote:
Rick had mentioned that he reefs while hove to.
I do the same and find it very efficient. To do this though the boom is outboard of the cockpit and I but a turning block just aft of the reefing clew in order to lead the reefing line foward along the boom so that I am not leaning outboard of the boat while reefing.
So my reefing clew arrangement is a line from a pad eye on the port side through the reefing clew, to turning block on starboard and then forward to a small horn cleat about 3 feet aft of the mast.
When the boat is hove to the boat is far more stable than trying to head into the wind and everything works smoother so that I am comfortable with just a reefing hook at the gooseneck.
Thanks
Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" M15 #310 G
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