Hello, I have two questions related to my 1984 M-17, Seaweed. 1) While sailing Lake Michigan on Sunday my original wood rudder cracked. The crack is about 10 inches long, and starts at the top of the rudder, going vertically down the middle of the rudder. It is just a crack in the wood, and the rudder is still in one piece. Should I try to fix it, and if yes how? I was thinking of putting a wedge in, then filling the space with 3M 5200, removing the wedge, letting it cure clamped down, fiberglassing the whole top of the rudder (it is not under the water), and repainting with Cetol. Would this work? The other option would be to buy a new rudder, either a wood one (does Bob sell them?) or an Ida Sailor one. Any recommendations on one over the other? 2) I was thinking of replacing the 2 stroke 4hp Evinrude I currently have (original 1984 issue) with a 4 stroke motor. To be honest I don't quite know why, since the current motor does a great job, and works every time. In the process I bought a Tohatsu 4hp 4 stroke short shaft motor for $500, but found that with the current fixed motor mount it does not reach deep enough in the water. I can replace the mount with an adjustable one -- does anyone have a recommendation for a good mount, and comment on how hard it is to install? Or else I have found someone who sells a 6hp Tohatsu long shaft for $750 which would do the trick in terms of shaft length (and I could sell the 4hp for what I have in it), but I have read some negative comments on it. Does anyone have any experience with either of these two motors? Thanks, Andrei.
I have a 1995 Nissan 5 hp on my Seaward Fox and a 2010 Nissan 5 hp on my Montgomery 17. Tohatsu, Nissan and the Mercury are same motors in this hp range manufactured by Tohatsu. I have not had problems and they are very reliable, and easily push the boat along. On my previous M17, I made a new rudder out of a piece of mahogany wood that matched the same size and width of the rudder I was redoing. On my current M17, I have an Ida Rudder, which is pretty awesome. I don't think gluing your split rudder is a good idea, especially when sailing on some big waters like Lake Michigan. I put a Garlick motor mount on my Seaward....its not that heavy and had a the caution to remove the motor before heading down the road...which doesn't seem right. The motor mount on my Montgomery is really strong and easy to use. Bob might be able to tell where to get one or may you could get one through him. Randy Sommerfeld No Worries, M17 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Andrei Caldararu Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 9:17 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Help re. engine and rudder Hello, I have two questions related to my 1984 M-17, Seaweed. 1) While sailing Lake Michigan on Sunday my original wood rudder cracked. The crack is about 10 inches long, and starts at the top of the rudder, going vertically down the middle of the rudder. It is just a crack in the wood, and the rudder is still in one piece. Should I try to fix it, and if yes how? I was thinking of putting a wedge in, then filling the space with 3M 5200, removing the wedge, letting it cure clamped down, fiberglassing the whole top of the rudder (it is not under the water), and repainting with Cetol. Would this work? The other option would be to buy a new rudder, either a wood one (does Bob sell them?) or an Ida Sailor one. Any recommendations on one over the other? 2) I was thinking of replacing the 2 stroke 4hp Evinrude I currently have (original 1984 issue) with a 4 stroke motor. To be honest I don't quite know why, since the current motor does a great job, and works every time. In the process I bought a Tohatsu 4hp 4 stroke short shaft motor for $500, but found that with the current fixed motor mount it does not reach deep enough in the water. I can replace the mount with an adjustable one -- does anyone have a recommendation for a good mount, and comment on how hard it is to install? Or else I have found someone who sells a 6hp Tohatsu long shaft for $750 which would do the trick in terms of shaft length (and I could sell the 4hp for what I have in it), but I have read some negative comments on it. Does anyone have any experience with either of these two motors? Thanks, Andrei. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!
Andrei: I replaced my fixed motor mount with this variable-position model, which I really like: http://www.catalinadirect.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=product.display&product_I... I think this is the one Bob E. now installs on new boats. Installing it was not difficult but required me to crawl to the interior stern. It's a tight fit even for a thin guy like me. If you have the galley model, you might have to go on the other side. Good luck! Gordon On Aug 31, 2010, at 9:17 PM, Andrei Caldararu wrote:
Hello,
I have two questions related to my 1984 M-17, Seaweed.
1) While sailing Lake Michigan on Sunday my original wood rudder cracked. The crack is about 10 inches long, and starts at the top of the rudder, going vertically down the middle of the rudder. It is just a crack in the wood, and the rudder is still in one piece. Should I try to fix it, and if yes how? I was thinking of putting a wedge in, then filling the space with 3M 5200, removing the wedge, letting it cure clamped down, fiberglassing the whole top of the rudder (it is not under the water), and repainting with Cetol. Would this work? The other option would be to buy a new rudder, either a wood one (does Bob sell them?) or an Ida Sailor one. Any recommendations on one over the other?
2) I was thinking of replacing the 2 stroke 4hp Evinrude I currently have (original 1984 issue) with a 4 stroke motor. To be honest I don't quite know why, since the current motor does a great job, and works every time. In the process I bought a Tohatsu 4hp 4 stroke short shaft motor for $500, but found that with the current fixed motor mount it does not reach deep enough in the water. I can replace the mount with an adjustable one -- does anyone have a recommendation for a good mount, and comment on how hard it is to install? Or else I have found someone who sells a 6hp Tohatsu long shaft for $750 which would do the trick in terms of shaft length (and I could sell the 4hp for what I have in it), but I have read some negative comments on it. Does anyone have any experience with either of these two motors?
Thanks, Andrei.
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Dear Gordon and Martha, I do have the galley model, so the area where the current mount is is completely inaccessible. I don't really like the idea of moving the mount to the other side, I'll start thinking of other ways to mount the motor (or getting a longer shaft one). How do you like the 4 cycle motor versus the 2 cycle one? Is there a major advantage, or should I stick with good old Evinrude, for the total of 1 hour/year I use the motor? Andrei.
andrei: does your 17 have the 'old style' cockpit without the hatch along the transom?
How do you like the 4 cycle motor versus the 2 cycle one? Is there a major advantage, or should I stick with good old Evinrude, for the total of 1 hour/year I use the motor? if a motor reliable the only reason for a 4-cycle over a 2-cycle is environmental.
dave scobie M17 #375 0 SWEET PEA visit SWEET PEA's www-site: http://www.m17-375.webs.com --- On Wed, 9/1/10, Andrei Caldararu <andreic@math.wisc.edu> wrote: Dear Gordon and Martha, I do have the galley model, so the area where the current mount is is completely inaccessible. I don't really like the idea of moving the mount to the other side, I'll start thinking of other ways to mount the motor (or getting a longer shaft one). How do you like the 4 cycle motor versus the 2 cycle one? Is there a major advantage, or should I stick with good old Evinrude, for the total of 1 hour/year I use the motor? Andrei.
Dave, my transom is whole, the engine mount is a trapezoidal U-shaped fiberglass and wood fixed mount attached to the transom with 6 screws (looks like it is the original mount that came with the boat, not an aftermarket). Andrei.
Dear Gordon, thanks for the reply. I think I may try to either keep the current 4hp motor (if it ain't broke don't fix it), or replace it with a long shaft motor that can fit on the current mount. Any more news as to when the Door County cruise will be? If I get my rudder repaired (as it looks it'll be) I would like to come. Andrei.
Hi Andrei, I have a Tohatsu 6hp 4 stroke long shaft. I love it. It's extremely reliable; fairly easy to flush (I keep it year long in a salt water slip). It only weighs 55 lbs and has plenty of power. I can motor at hull speed at half throttle and here on Bogue Sound where the current runs 2 kts I can motor against it at close to 4 kts at 3/4 throttle. Mine is a 2006. It now has about 100 hrs. I have run it for 8-10 hours a day for 3 days at a time with no complaints from her. That's my 2 cents. Joe M17 Seafrog ----- Original Message ----- From: Andrei Caldararu To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Tuesday, August 31, 2010 10:17 PM Subject: M_Boats: Help re. engine and rudder Hello, I have two questions related to my 1984 M-17, Seaweed. 1) While sailing Lake Michigan on Sunday my original wood rudder cracked. The crack is about 10 inches long, and starts at the top of the rudder, going vertically down the middle of the rudder. It is just a crack in the wood, and the rudder is still in one piece. Should I try to fix it, and if yes how? I was thinking of putting a wedge in, then filling the space with 3M 5200, removing the wedge, letting it cure clamped down, fiberglassing the whole top of the rudder (it is not under the water), and repainting with Cetol. Would this work? The other option would be to buy a new rudder, either a wood one (does Bob sell them?) or an Ida Sailor one. Any recommendations on one over the other? 2) I was thinking of replacing the 2 stroke 4hp Evinrude I currently have (original 1984 issue) with a 4 stroke motor. To be honest I don't quite know why, since the current motor does a great job, and works every time. In the process I bought a Tohatsu 4hp 4 stroke short shaft motor for $500, but found that with the current fixed motor mount it does not reach deep enough in the water. I can replace the mount with an adjustable one -- does anyone have a recommendation for a good mount, and comment on how hard it is to install? Or else I have found someone who sells a 6hp Tohatsu long shaft for $750 which would do the trick in terms of shaft length (and I could sell the 4hp for what I have in it), but I have read some negative comments on it. Does anyone have any experience with either of these two motors? Thanks, Andrei. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!
Hi Andrei: I am in Sout Florida and have my original, very good condition wood rudder that I would be willing to sell for minimal cost. I upgraded to the Ida sailor rudder. Let me know if you're interested. Maria ________________________________ From: Andrei Caldararu <andreic@math.wisc.edu> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 10:17:16 PM Subject: M_Boats: Help re. engine and rudder Hello, I have two questions related to my 1984 M-17, Seaweed. 1) While sailing Lake Michigan on Sunday my original wood rudder cracked. The crack is about 10 inches long, and starts at the top of the rudder, going vertically down the middle of the rudder. It is just a crack in the wood, and the rudder is still in one piece. Should I try to fix it, and if yes how? I was thinking of putting a wedge in, then filling the space with 3M 5200, removing the wedge, letting it cure clamped down, fiberglassing the whole top of the rudder (it is not under the water), and repainting with Cetol. Would this work? The other option would be to buy a new rudder, either a wood one (does Bob sell them?) or an Ida Sailor one. Any recommendations on one over the other? 2) I was thinking of replacing the 2 stroke 4hp Evinrude I currently have (original 1984 issue) with a 4 stroke motor. To be honest I don't quite know why, since the current motor does a great job, and works every time. In the process I bought a Tohatsu 4hp 4 stroke short shaft motor for $500, but found that with the current fixed motor mount it does not reach deep enough in the water. I can replace the mount with an adjustable one -- does anyone have a recommendation for a good mount, and comment on how hard it is to install? Or else I have found someone who sells a 6hp Tohatsu long shaft for $750 which would do the trick in terms of shaft length (and I could sell the 4hp for what I have in it), but I have read some negative comments on it. Does anyone have any experience with either of these two motors? Thanks, Andrei. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!
Maria: I've been considering an Ida Sailor rudder. Have you noticed much difference in your boat's handling and performance with the new rudder? Gordon M-17 Sapphire Milwaukee On Sep 1, 2010, at 4:24 PM, Maria Jorge wrote:
Hi Andrei: I am in Sout Florida and have my original, very good condition wood rudder that I would be willing to sell for minimal cost. I upgraded to the Ida sailor rudder. Let me know if you're interested.
Maria
________________________________ From: Andrei Caldararu <andreic@math.wisc.edu> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 10:17:16 PM Subject: M_Boats: Help re. engine and rudder
Hello,
I have two questions related to my 1984 M-17, Seaweed.
1) While sailing Lake Michigan on Sunday my original wood rudder cracked. The crack is about 10 inches long, and starts at the top of the rudder, going vertically down the middle of the rudder. It is just a crack in the wood, and the rudder is still in one piece. Should I try to fix it, and if yes how? I was thinking of putting a wedge in, then filling the space with 3M 5200, removing the wedge, letting it cure clamped down, fiberglassing the whole top of the rudder (it is not under the water), and repainting with Cetol. Would this work? The other option would be to buy a new rudder, either a wood one (does Bob sell them?) or an Ida Sailor one. Any recommendations on one over the other?
2) I was thinking of replacing the 2 stroke 4hp Evinrude I currently have (original 1984 issue) with a 4 stroke motor. To be honest I don't quite know why, since the current motor does a great job, and works every time. In the process I bought a Tohatsu 4hp 4 stroke short shaft motor for $500, but found that with the current fixed motor mount it does not reach deep enough in the water. I can replace the mount with an adjustable one -- does anyone have a recommendation for a good mount, and comment on how hard it is to install? Or else I have found someone who sells a 6hp Tohatsu long shaft for $750 which would do the trick in terms of shaft length (and I could sell the 4hp for what I have in it), but I have read some negative comments on it. Does anyone have any experience with either of these two motors?
Thanks, Andrei.
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Gordon: Yes, the helm is super light and she does point better. I need the kick up feature here in South Florida, too. Maria On Sep 1, 2010, at 7:40 PM, Gordon Gilbert wrote:
Maria: I've been considering an Ida Sailor rudder. Have you noticed much difference in your boat's handling and performance with the new rudder?
Gordon M-17 Sapphire Milwaukee
On Sep 1, 2010, at 4:24 PM, Maria Jorge wrote:
Hi Andrei: I am in Sout Florida and have my original, very good condition wood rudder that I would be willing to sell for minimal cost. I upgraded to the Ida sailor rudder. Let me know if you're interested.
Maria
________________________________ From: Andrei Caldararu <andreic@math.wisc.edu> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com
Sent: Tue, August 31, 2010 10:17:16 PM Subject: M_Boats: Help re. engine and rudder
Hello,
I have two questions related to my 1984 M-17, Seaweed.
1) While sailing Lake Michigan on Sunday my original wood rudder cracked. The crack is about 10 inches long, and starts at the top of the rudder, going vertically down the middle of the rudder. It is just a crack in the wood, and the rudder is still in one piece. Should I try to fix it, and if yes how? I was thinking of putting a wedge in, then filling the space with 3M 5200, removing the wedge, letting it cure clamped down, fiberglassing the whole top of the rudder (it is not under the water), and repainting with Cetol. Would this work? The other option would be to buy a new rudder, either a wood one (does Bob sell them?) or an Ida Sailor one. Any recommendations on one over the other?
2) I was thinking of replacing the 2 stroke 4hp Evinrude I currently have (original 1984 issue) with a 4 stroke motor. To be honest I don't quite know why, since the current motor does a great job, and works every time. In the process I bought a Tohatsu 4hp 4 stroke short shaft motor for $500, but found that with the current fixed motor mount it does not reach deep enough in the water. I can replace the mount with an adjustable one -- does anyone have a recommendation for a good mount, and comment on how hard it is to install? Or else I have found someone who sells a 6hp Tohatsu long shaft for $750 which would do the trick in terms of shaft length (and I could sell the 4hp for what I have in it), but I have read some negative comments on it. Does anyone have any experience with either of these two motors?
Thanks, Andrei.
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