Re: M_Boats: M 17 Sail Inventory, Roller Furling
In a message dated 10/30/03 3:53:04 PM, fml162@aol.com writes:
Good evening, All. My wife, Karol, and I are going to California in December (if it is still there) to visit with Bob E. about buying our second M17. The first was about 20 years ago when we were in our early forties and had good knees and backs. The rule at that time was more sails and complicated rigging was more fun! Go-fast stuff was hot. Now, however, age has taken its toll somewhat, and we tend to equate fun with convenience and just spending time on the water without hassel.
We are currently discussing sail inventory and whether to include a roller furling rig on the new boat. The anticpated use for the first year will be primarily as a day sailor off of a mooring in Southwest Harbor, Maine where the average afternoon winds average about 12 kts. I have had roller furlers on other larger boats, but would appreciate your collective input on a smaller boat which is going to be taken on and off a trailer several times a season. How about ideas on sail inventory and sizes of headsails? Cheers and thanks. Have a great day. Skip Langley, Rockport, Texas/Southwest Harbor, Maine
Hi Skip, I have to confess that I have been considering a furler for 'bebe' (M15). In my research, it seems that very few small boat furlers are actually capable of roller *reefing*. This is not acceptable to me, as my primary motive is to facilitate easier headsail change/reduction while short handed (and in extreme conditions). The only one I found that is a true reefing/furling system is arguably overkill for the M15, but I am considering it nonethelss. The 'SnapFurl Small Boat' (Schaefer #CF-500) actually has the foil section that allows the sail to roll and keep shape. I have talked to my sailmaker (Bob Hogin) about a tri-radial cut headsail that will ostensibly keep decent shape when rolled to about 30-40%. In any event, thought you might be interested in this furler. CDI might make one as well, but I am not as impressed of what I have seen of their quality. Scott, M15 #478
The CDI is roller reefing, and very well-made. It's extremely simple, so, nothing to go wrong. I installed a well-used drum and foil (with my genoa adapted) that had been salvaged from a highway-wrecked Hunter. It has worked beautiful and shows no sign of wear or failure. I'm under the impression that the CDI is a standby on the M17 . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: <Wilsometer@aol.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, November 08, 2003 10:34 PM Subject: M 17 Sail Inventory, Roller Furling In a message dated 10/30/03 3:53:04 PM, fml162@aol.com writes: Good evening, All. My wife, Karol, and I are going to California in December (if it is still there) to visit with Bob E. about buying our second M17. The first was about 20 years ago when we were in our early forties and had good knees and backs. The rule at that time was more sails and complicated rigging was more fun! Go-fast stuff was hot. Now, however, age has taken its toll somewhat, and we tend to equate fun with convenience and just spending time on the water without hassel. We are currently discussing sail inventory and whether to include a roller furling rig on the new boat. The anticpated use for the first year will be primarily as a day sailor off of a mooring in Southwest Harbor, Maine where the average afternoon winds average about 12 kts. I have had roller furlers on other larger boats, but would appreciate your collective input on a smaller boat which is going to be taken on and off a trailer several times a season. How about ideas on sail inventory and sizes of headsails? Cheers and thanks. Have a great day. Skip Langley, Rockport, Texas/Southwest Harbor, Maine Hi Skip, I have to confess that I have been considering a furler for 'bebe' (M15). In my research, it seems that very few small boat furlers are actually capable of roller *reefing*. This is not acceptable to me, as my primary motive is to facilitate easier headsail change/reduction while short handed (and in extreme conditions). The only one I found that is a true reefing/furling system is arguably overkill for the M15, but I am considering it nonethelss. The 'SnapFurl Small Boat' (Schaefer #CF-500) actually has the foil section that allows the sail to roll and keep shape. I have talked to my sailmaker (Bob Hogin) about a tri-radial cut headsail that will ostensibly keep decent shape when rolled to about 30-40%. In any event, thought you might be interested in this furler. CDI might make one as well, but I am not as impressed of what I have seen of their quality. Scott, M15 #478
Scott: Do you have cost estimates from Bob Hogin and the Snap Furl System? Rich Cottrell Wilsometer@aol.com wrote: In a message dated 10/30/03 3:53:04 PM, fml162@aol.com writes:
Good evening, All. My wife, Karol, and I are going to California in December (if it is still there) to visit with Bob E. about buying our second M17. The first was about 20 years ago when we were in our early forties and had good knees and backs. The rule at that time was more sails and complicated rigging was more fun! Go-fast stuff was hot. Now, however, age has taken its toll somewhat, and we tend to equate fun with convenience and just spending time on the water without hassel.
We are currently discussing sail inventory and whether to include a roller furling rig on the new boat. The anticpated use for the first year will be primarily as a day sailor off of a mooring in Southwest Harbor, Maine where the average afternoon winds average about 12 kts. I have had roller furlers on other larger boats, but would appreciate your collective input on a smaller boat which is going to be taken on and off a trailer several times a season. How about ideas on sail inventory and sizes of headsails? Cheers and thanks. Have a great day. Skip Langley, Rockport, Texas/Southwest Harbor, Maine
Hi Skip, I have to confess that I have been considering a furler for 'bebe' (M15). In my research, it seems that very few small boat furlers are actually capable of roller *reefing*. This is not acceptable to me, as my primary motive is to facilitate easier headsail change/reduction while short handed (and in extreme conditions). The only one I found that is a true reefing/furling system is arguably overkill for the M15, but I am considering it nonethelss. The 'SnapFurl Small Boat' (Schaefer #CF-500) actually has the foil section that allows the sail to roll and keep shape. I have talked to my sailmaker (Bob Hogin) about a tri-radial cut headsail that will ostensibly keep decent shape when rolled to about 30-40%. In any event, thought you might be interested in this furler. CDI might make one as well, but I am not as impressed of what I have seen of their quality. Scott, M15 #478 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
To all who are considering a roller furler, I added a CDI roller furler last year to my M17 and am quite happy with it. The CDI design seems to be bullet-proof. I have had no problems whatsoever. My wife loves that she no longer needs to go forward to perform sail handling duties and I must admit that I too enjoy the convenience as well as the safety of it. Mike Leonard wrote a nice article detailing his selection and installation of a CDI furler which is on the MSOG site (under How to and specs/Specifications, weights and measures. I chose to go with a 135% Genoa in a heavier cloth since I sail in winds over 20 knots fairly often and I didn't want to stretch out a lighter sail that was rolled up to storm jib size. I was planning to purchase a lighter 150% genoa later and choose my sail for the day at the dock. It's very easy to change sails on the CDI furler. We like it and that's my 2 cents worth on the subject. Mark and Roberta Dvorscak M17 #400 Grace
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