Hi guys, let's hear about your tiller extensions. How long does it have to be to stand in companionway? Whaddya got? What's good, what's bad? Jazzy
On 5/17/2016 6:48 PM, Jazzy wrote: Hi Jazzy, In our M15, I sailed alone frequently, so I wanted to sit as far forward in the cockpit as possible, for better boat trim. I had a FORESPAR tiller extension, but when I sat all the way forward in the cockpit, the tiller extension was at about a 45 degree angle to the tiller. If you are hard on the wind, this give you a poor force input to the tiller. What you want is a 90 degree relationship from the end of the tiller to your hand. My solution was to build a longer tiller that allowed the FORESPAR Tiller extension to then work at 90 degrees to the tiller . This worked very well, ..... but, ..... when my wife or grandchildren were on board the tiller was too long, and was awkward. My next idea, that I never carried out; would have been a two part tiller: the original length; and with the addition, the longer length. I was going to make a fiberglass socket on the end of the tiller so that the two parts fitted together with no play; giving me the best of both worlds. The normal, original length for when more people were on board; and the long tiller so that I could sit all the way forward in the cockpit when sailing by myself. A pin through the fiberglass into the original tiller would have prevented any disconnection of the two pieces. In both tiller lengths the FORESPAR Tiller Extension could have been used. Ciao, Connie ex M15 #400 LEPPO
Hi guys, let's hear about your tiller extensions. How long does it have to be to stand in companionway? Whaddya got? What's good, what's bad?
Jazzy
Hey, Jazzy You have to slide a tube over the end of your tiller to be able to stand in the companionway. Not very handy and definitely not power steering. I use a hiking stick so I can sit on the rail sometimes or you could rig some turning blocks mounted on pad eyes to lead lines forward to the companionway hatch if you are planning to do a lot of off shore voyaging. Drive safely, Tom B <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys, let's hear about your tiller extensions. How long does it have to be to stand in companionway? Whaddya got? What's good, what's bad?
Jazzy
I have cruised my M15 for many years and have used a remote steering system for much of that time. I can stand in the companionway for long comfortable periods. It has even allowed me to fly a spinnaker single handed in light winds. I mounted two cleats on the coaming just behind where the arch of the tiller touches the coaming. I put a pig tail on three blocks and attach these to 3 cleats, the two coaming cleats and the third one on the bow cleat. I then run an old mainsheet through all of these blocks and snuggly tie both ends off on the tiller. This line forms a loop that runs near the edges of the cabin entrance. You can stand in the cabin and use it like a big steering wheel with both hands or use it one handed. I have even put a cushion up on the bow and sat there in very light winds. It works on all points of wind until about 8 kts with gusts then it is only good a little bit off the wind. I use old main sheets because they are easy on the hands and are stiff enough not to run through the blocks too freely. This allows you to let go of the steering for short periods with the tiller loosely locked. I have also changed over to a Catalina 22 tiller which lets me snuggle up to the cabin wall while sailing into the wind. I single hand almost all of the time and this works well. I did mount a tiller extension on the Catalina tiller but rarely used it. Thanks Doug Kelch M15 G #310 "Seas the Day" On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey, Jazzy You have to slide a tube over the end of your tiller to be able to stand in the companionway. Not very handy and definitely not power steering. I use a hiking stick so I can sit on the rail sometimes or you could rig some turning blocks mounted on pad eyes to lead lines forward to the companionway hatch if you are planning to do a lot of off shore voyaging. Drive safely, Tom B
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On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys, let's hear about your tiller extensions. How long does it have to be to stand in companionway? Whaddya got? What's good, what's bad?
Jazzy
Great idea, Doug, and I like the gaff headed main as well as the staysail. How does she sail on and off the wind?? You certainly are a free thinker. Tom B <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=icon> Virus-free. www.avast.com <https://www.avast.com/sig-email?utm_medium=email&utm_source=link&utm_campaign=sig-email&utm_content=webmail&utm_term=link> <#DDB4FAA8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 11:31 AM, Douglas Kelch <doug1kelch@gmail.com> wrote:
I have cruised my M15 for many years and have used a remote steering system for much of that time. I can stand in the companionway for long comfortable periods. It has even allowed me to fly a spinnaker single handed in light winds.
I mounted two cleats on the coaming just behind where the arch of the tiller touches the coaming. I put a pig tail on three blocks and attach these to 3 cleats, the two coaming cleats and the third one on the bow cleat. I then run an old mainsheet through all of these blocks and snuggly tie both ends off on the tiller.
This line forms a loop that runs near the edges of the cabin entrance. You can stand in the cabin and use it like a big steering wheel with both hands or use it one handed. I have even put a cushion up on the bow and sat there in very light winds.
It works on all points of wind until about 8 kts with gusts then it is only good a little bit off the wind.
I use old main sheets because they are easy on the hands and are stiff enough not to run through the blocks too freely. This allows you to let go of the steering for short periods with the tiller loosely locked.
I have also changed over to a Catalina 22 tiller which lets me snuggle up to the cabin wall while sailing into the wind. I single hand almost all of the time and this works well. I did mount a tiller extension on the Catalina tiller but rarely used it.
Thanks
Doug Kelch M15 G #310 "Seas the Day"
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey, Jazzy You have to slide a tube over the end of your tiller to be able to stand in the companionway. Not very handy and definitely not power steering. I use a hiking stick so I can sit on the rail sometimes or you could rig some turning blocks mounted on pad eyes to lead lines forward to the companionway hatch if you are planning to do a lot of off shore voyaging. Drive safely, Tom B
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On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys, let's hear about your tiller extensions. How long does it have to be to stand in companionway? Whaddya got? What's good, what's bad?
Jazzy
Awesome idea! I can't wait to try it out! Henry M17 #310 "Monita" VN23 "Chiquita" On Wednesday, May 18, 2016, Douglas Kelch <doug1kelch@gmail.com> wrote:
I have cruised my M15 for many years and have used a remote steering system for much of that time. I can stand in the companionway for long comfortable periods. It has even allowed me to fly a spinnaker single handed in light winds.
I mounted two cleats on the coaming just behind where the arch of the tiller touches the coaming. I put a pig tail on three blocks and attach these to 3 cleats, the two coaming cleats and the third one on the bow cleat. I then run an old mainsheet through all of these blocks and snuggly tie both ends off on the tiller.
This line forms a loop that runs near the edges of the cabin entrance. You can stand in the cabin and use it like a big steering wheel with both hands or use it one handed. I have even put a cushion up on the bow and sat there in very light winds.
It works on all points of wind until about 8 kts with gusts then it is only good a little bit off the wind.
I use old main sheets because they are easy on the hands and are stiff enough not to run through the blocks too freely. This allows you to let go of the steering for short periods with the tiller loosely locked.
I have also changed over to a Catalina 22 tiller which lets me snuggle up to the cabin wall while sailing into the wind. I single hand almost all of the time and this works well. I did mount a tiller extension on the Catalina tiller but rarely used it.
Thanks
Doug Kelch M15 G #310 "Seas the Day"
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Hey, Jazzy You have to slide a tube over the end of your tiller to be able to stand in the companionway. Not very handy and definitely not power steering. I use a hiking stick so I can sit on the rail sometimes or you could rig some turning blocks mounted on pad eyes to lead lines forward to the companionway hatch if you are planning to do a lot of off shore voyaging. Drive safely, Tom B
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Nice photo, I can see how the steering line is run in general. Interesting rig on that M15! Can you say more about your customizations, the why of it - the bowsprit, cutter rig, mainsail alterations? cheers, John S. On 05/18/2016 09:31 AM, Douglas Kelch wrote:
I have cruised my M15 for many years and have used a remote steering system for much of that time. I can stand in the companionway for long comfortable periods. It has even allowed me to fly a spinnaker single handed in light winds.
I mounted two cleats on the coaming just behind where the arch of the tiller touches the coaming. I put a pig tail on three blocks and attach these to 3 cleats, the two coaming cleats and the third one on the bow cleat. I then run an old mainsheet through all of these blocks and snuggly tie both ends off on the tiller.
This line forms a loop that runs near the edges of the cabin entrance. You can stand in the cabin and use it like a big steering wheel with both hands or use it one handed. I have even put a cushion up on the bow and sat there in very light winds.
It works on all points of wind until about 8 kts with gusts then it is only good a little bit off the wind.
I use old main sheets because they are easy on the hands and are stiff enough not to run through the blocks too freely. This allows you to let go of the steering for short periods with the tiller loosely locked.
I have also changed over to a Catalina 22 tiller which lets me snuggle up to the cabin wall while sailing into the wind. I single hand almost all of the time and this works well. I did mount a tiller extension on the Catalina tiller but rarely used it.
Thanks
Doug Kelch M15 G #310 "Seas the Day"
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey, Jazzy You have to slide a tube over the end of your tiller to be able to stand in the companionway. Not very handy and definitely not power steering. I use a hiking stick so I can sit on the rail sometimes or you could rig some turning blocks mounted on pad eyes to lead lines forward to the companionway hatch if you are planning to do a lot of off shore voyaging. Drive safely, Tom B
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On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys, let's hear about your tiller extensions. How long does it have to be to stand in companionway? Whaddya got? What's good, what's bad?
Jazzy
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Why - I always wanted a Gaff Cutter but they only seemed to exist in old heavy wooden designs and had a reputation for being slow with limited pointing ability. Then there was an article in Small Craft Adviser on the best rig for small cruising boat in which Paul Gartside and Howard Rice were interviewed. Their answer was a Gaff Cutter with the caveat that it was on a modern hull. The M15 is a 3/4 rig and the sidestays are far enough aft so it will accommodate a longer boom and not require running backstays. I designed the sail plan around the original Center of Effort so that the helm would pretty much feel the same. This required the bowsprit as I did not want to move the mast step. The overall sail plan was 3 ft lower and 30% larger and the CE stays close to the same place under most useful sail configurations down to a staysail and double reefed main. Performance wise I am very pleased. I only lost 1 or 2 degrees in pointing ability and the speed is better than the sloop from 10 degrees off the wind to a 130 deg broad reach. In strong gusts it doesn't get kicked around and heel as fast due to the lower sail plan. It has sailed like a witch in 35 mph winds on our local lake with 3 ft seas under the stay sail and double reef. A very versatile rig. Thanks Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" M15 G #310 On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 3:22 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Nice photo, I can see how the steering line is run in general.
Interesting rig on that M15! Can you say more about your customizations, the why of it - the bowsprit, cutter rig, mainsail alterations?
cheers, John S.
On 05/18/2016 09:31 AM, Douglas Kelch wrote:
I have cruised my M15 for many years and have used a remote steering system for much of that time. I can stand in the companionway for long comfortable periods. It has even allowed me to fly a spinnaker single handed in light winds.
I mounted two cleats on the coaming just behind where the arch of the tiller touches the coaming. I put a pig tail on three blocks and attach these to 3 cleats, the two coaming cleats and the third one on the bow cleat. I then run an old mainsheet through all of these blocks and snuggly tie both ends off on the tiller.
This line forms a loop that runs near the edges of the cabin entrance. You can stand in the cabin and use it like a big steering wheel with both hands or use it one handed. I have even put a cushion up on the bow and sat there in very light winds.
It works on all points of wind until about 8 kts with gusts then it is only good a little bit off the wind.
I use old main sheets because they are easy on the hands and are stiff enough not to run through the blocks too freely. This allows you to let go of the steering for short periods with the tiller loosely locked.
I have also changed over to a Catalina 22 tiller which lets me snuggle up to the cabin wall while sailing into the wind. I single hand almost all of the time and this works well. I did mount a tiller extension on the Catalina tiller but rarely used it.
Thanks
Doug Kelch M15 G #310 "Seas the Day"
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey, Jazzy
You have to slide a tube over the end of your tiller to be able to stand in the companionway. Not very handy and definitely not power steering. I use a hiking stick so I can sit on the rail sometimes or you could rig some turning blocks mounted on pad eyes to lead lines forward to the companionway hatch if you are planning to do a lot of off shore voyaging. Drive safely, Tom B
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On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys, let's hear about your tiller extensions. How long does it have
to
be to stand in companionway? Whaddya got? What's good, what's bad?
Jazzy
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Was there a photo of the gaf M-15? Steve M-15 # 335 a gaffer fan -----Original Message----- From: Douglas Kelch Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 5:29 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tiller Extension... Why - I always wanted a Gaff Cutter but they only seemed to exist in old heavy wooden designs and had a reputation for being slow with limited pointing ability. Then there was an article in Small Craft Adviser on the best rig for small cruising boat in which Paul Gartside and Howard Rice were interviewed. Their answer was a Gaff Cutter with the caveat that it was on a modern hull. The M15 is a 3/4 rig and the sidestays are far enough aft so it will accommodate a longer boom and not require running backstays. I designed the sail plan around the original Center of Effort so that the helm would pretty much feel the same. This required the bowsprit as I did not want to move the mast step. The overall sail plan was 3 ft lower and 30% larger and the CE stays close to the same place under most useful sail configurations down to a staysail and double reefed main. Performance wise I am very pleased. I only lost 1 or 2 degrees in pointing ability and the speed is better than the sloop from 10 degrees off the wind to a 130 deg broad reach. In strong gusts it doesn't get kicked around and heel as fast due to the lower sail plan. It has sailed like a witch in 35 mph winds on our local lake with 3 ft seas under the stay sail and double reef. A very versatile rig. Thanks Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" M15 G #310 On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 3:22 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Nice photo, I can see how the steering line is run in general.
Interesting rig on that M15! Can you say more about your customizations, the why of it - the bowsprit, cutter rig, mainsail alterations?
cheers, John S.
On 05/18/2016 09:31 AM, Douglas Kelch wrote:
I have cruised my M15 for many years and have used a remote steering system for much of that time. I can stand in the companionway for long comfortable periods. It has even allowed me to fly a spinnaker single handed in light winds.
I mounted two cleats on the coaming just behind where the arch of the tiller touches the coaming. I put a pig tail on three blocks and attach these to 3 cleats, the two coaming cleats and the third one on the bow cleat. I then run an old mainsheet through all of these blocks and snuggly tie both ends off on the tiller.
This line forms a loop that runs near the edges of the cabin entrance. You can stand in the cabin and use it like a big steering wheel with both hands or use it one handed. I have even put a cushion up on the bow and sat there in very light winds.
It works on all points of wind until about 8 kts with gusts then it is only good a little bit off the wind.
I use old main sheets because they are easy on the hands and are stiff enough not to run through the blocks too freely. This allows you to let go of the steering for short periods with the tiller loosely locked.
I have also changed over to a Catalina 22 tiller which lets me snuggle up to the cabin wall while sailing into the wind. I single hand almost all of the time and this works well. I did mount a tiller extension on the Catalina tiller but rarely used it.
Thanks
Doug Kelch M15 G #310 "Seas the Day"
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey, Jazzy
You have to slide a tube over the end of your tiller to be able to stand in the companionway. Not very handy and definitely not power steering. I use a hiking stick so I can sit on the rail sometimes or you could rig some turning blocks mounted on pad eyes to lead lines forward to the companionway hatch if you are planning to do a lot of off shore voyaging. Drive safely, Tom B
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On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys, let's hear about your tiller extensions. How long does it have
to
be to stand in companionway? Whaddya got? What's good, what's bad?
Jazzy
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On May 22, 2016, at 7:34 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@Q.com> wrote:
Was there a photo of the gaf M-15? Steve M-15 # 335 a gaffer fan
-----Original Message----- From: Douglas Kelch Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 5:29 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tiller Extension...
Why - I always wanted a Gaff Cutter but they only seemed to exist in old heavy wooden designs and had a reputation for being slow with limited pointing ability. Then there was an article in Small Craft Adviser on the best rig for small cruising boat in which Paul Gartside and Howard Rice were interviewed. Their answer was a Gaff Cutter with the caveat that it was on a modern hull.
The M15 is a 3/4 rig and the sidestays are far enough aft so it will accommodate a longer boom and not require running backstays.
I designed the sail plan around the original Center of Effort so that the helm would pretty much feel the same. This required the bowsprit as I did not want to move the mast step. The overall sail plan was 3 ft lower and 30% larger and the CE stays close to the same place under most useful sail configurations down to a staysail and double reefed main.
Performance wise I am very pleased. I only lost 1 or 2 degrees in pointing ability and the speed is better than the sloop from 10 degrees off the wind to a 130 deg broad reach. In strong gusts it doesn't get kicked around and heel as fast due to the lower sail plan. It has sailed like a witch in 35 mph winds on our local lake with 3 ft seas under the stay sail and double reef. A very versatile rig.
Thanks
Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" M15 G #310
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 3:22 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Nice photo, I can see how the steering line is run in general.
Interesting rig on that M15! Can you say more about your customizations, the why of it - the bowsprit, cutter rig, mainsail alterations?
cheers, John S.
On 05/18/2016 09:31 AM, Douglas Kelch wrote:
I have cruised my M15 for many years and have used a remote steering system for much of that time. I can stand in the companionway for long comfortable periods. It has even allowed me to fly a spinnaker single handed in light winds.
I mounted two cleats on the coaming just behind where the arch of the tiller touches the coaming. I put a pig tail on three blocks and attach these to 3 cleats, the two coaming cleats and the third one on the bow cleat. I then run an old mainsheet through all of these blocks and snuggly tie both ends off on the tiller.
This line forms a loop that runs near the edges of the cabin entrance. You can stand in the cabin and use it like a big steering wheel with both hands or use it one handed. I have even put a cushion up on the bow and sat there in very light winds.
It works on all points of wind until about 8 kts with gusts then it is only good a little bit off the wind.
I use old main sheets because they are easy on the hands and are stiff enough not to run through the blocks too freely. This allows you to let go of the steering for short periods with the tiller loosely locked.
I have also changed over to a Catalina 22 tiller which lets me snuggle up to the cabin wall while sailing into the wind. I single hand almost all of the time and this works well. I did mount a tiller extension on the Catalina tiller but rarely used it.
Thanks
Doug Kelch M15 G #310 "Seas the Day"
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey, Jazzy
You have to slide a tube over the end of your tiller to be able to stand in the companionway. Not very handy and definitely not power steering. I use a hiking stick so I can sit on the rail sometimes or you could rig some turning blocks mounted on pad eyes to lead lines forward to the companionway hatch if you are planning to do a lot of off shore voyaging. Drive safely, Tom B
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Hi guys, let's hear about your tiller extensions. How long does it have to
be to stand in companionway? Whaddya got? What's good, what's bad?
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Thanx, I like it. Steve M-15 # 335 - sloop rigged, but I like gaffers -----Original Message----- From: Bob Eeg Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 7:50 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tiller Extension... Here Steve http://www.sailhavasu.com/GOB_Entry_12.html Bob Sent from my iPad
On May 22, 2016, at 7:34 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@Q.com> wrote:
Was there a photo of the gaf M-15? Steve M-15 # 335 a gaffer fan
-----Original Message----- From: Douglas Kelch Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 5:29 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tiller Extension...
Why - I always wanted a Gaff Cutter but they only seemed to exist in old heavy wooden designs and had a reputation for being slow with limited pointing ability. Then there was an article in Small Craft Adviser on the best rig for small cruising boat in which Paul Gartside and Howard Rice were interviewed. Their answer was a Gaff Cutter with the caveat that it was on a modern hull.
The M15 is a 3/4 rig and the sidestays are far enough aft so it will accommodate a longer boom and not require running backstays.
I designed the sail plan around the original Center of Effort so that the helm would pretty much feel the same. This required the bowsprit as I did not want to move the mast step. The overall sail plan was 3 ft lower and 30% larger and the CE stays close to the same place under most useful sail configurations down to a staysail and double reefed main.
Performance wise I am very pleased. I only lost 1 or 2 degrees in pointing ability and the speed is better than the sloop from 10 degrees off the wind to a 130 deg broad reach. In strong gusts it doesn't get kicked around and heel as fast due to the lower sail plan. It has sailed like a witch in 35 mph winds on our local lake with 3 ft seas under the stay sail and double reef. A very versatile rig.
Thanks
Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" M15 G #310
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 3:22 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Nice photo, I can see how the steering line is run in general.
Interesting rig on that M15! Can you say more about your customizations, the why of it - the bowsprit, cutter rig, mainsail alterations?
cheers, John S.
On 05/18/2016 09:31 AM, Douglas Kelch wrote:
I have cruised my M15 for many years and have used a remote steering system for much of that time. I can stand in the companionway for long comfortable periods. It has even allowed me to fly a spinnaker single handed in light winds.
I mounted two cleats on the coaming just behind where the arch of the tiller touches the coaming. I put a pig tail on three blocks and attach these to 3 cleats, the two coaming cleats and the third one on the bow cleat. I then run an old mainsheet through all of these blocks and snuggly tie both ends off on the tiller.
This line forms a loop that runs near the edges of the cabin entrance. You can stand in the cabin and use it like a big steering wheel with both hands or use it one handed. I have even put a cushion up on the bow and sat there in very light winds.
It works on all points of wind until about 8 kts with gusts then it is only good a little bit off the wind.
I use old main sheets because they are easy on the hands and are stiff enough not to run through the blocks too freely. This allows you to let go of the steering for short periods with the tiller loosely locked.
I have also changed over to a Catalina 22 tiller which lets me snuggle up to the cabin wall while sailing into the wind. I single hand almost all of the time and this works well. I did mount a tiller extension on the Catalina tiller but rarely used it.
Thanks
Doug Kelch M15 G #310 "Seas the Day"
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey, Jazzy
You have to slide a tube over the end of your tiller to be able to stand in the companionway. Not very handy and definitely not power steering. I use a hiking stick so I can sit on the rail sometimes or you could rig some turning blocks mounted on pad eyes to lead lines forward to the companionway hatch if you are planning to do a lot of off shore voyaging. Drive safely, Tom B
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On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys, let's hear about your tiller extensions. How long does it have to
be to stand in companionway? Whaddya got? What's good, what's bad?
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Thanx, Steve -----Original Message----- From: Bob Eeg Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 7:50 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tiller Extension... Here Steve http://www.sailhavasu.com/GOB_Entry_12.html Bob Sent from my iPad
On May 22, 2016, at 7:34 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@Q.com> wrote:
Was there a photo of the gaf M-15? Steve M-15 # 335 a gaffer fan
-----Original Message----- From: Douglas Kelch Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 5:29 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tiller Extension...
Why - I always wanted a Gaff Cutter but they only seemed to exist in old heavy wooden designs and had a reputation for being slow with limited pointing ability. Then there was an article in Small Craft Adviser on the best rig for small cruising boat in which Paul Gartside and Howard Rice were interviewed. Their answer was a Gaff Cutter with the caveat that it was on a modern hull.
The M15 is a 3/4 rig and the sidestays are far enough aft so it will accommodate a longer boom and not require running backstays.
I designed the sail plan around the original Center of Effort so that the helm would pretty much feel the same. This required the bowsprit as I did not want to move the mast step. The overall sail plan was 3 ft lower and 30% larger and the CE stays close to the same place under most useful sail configurations down to a staysail and double reefed main.
Performance wise I am very pleased. I only lost 1 or 2 degrees in pointing ability and the speed is better than the sloop from 10 degrees off the wind to a 130 deg broad reach. In strong gusts it doesn't get kicked around and heel as fast due to the lower sail plan. It has sailed like a witch in 35 mph winds on our local lake with 3 ft seas under the stay sail and double reef. A very versatile rig.
Thanks
Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" M15 G #310
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 3:22 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Nice photo, I can see how the steering line is run in general.
Interesting rig on that M15! Can you say more about your customizations, the why of it - the bowsprit, cutter rig, mainsail alterations?
cheers, John S.
On 05/18/2016 09:31 AM, Douglas Kelch wrote:
I have cruised my M15 for many years and have used a remote steering system for much of that time. I can stand in the companionway for long comfortable periods. It has even allowed me to fly a spinnaker single handed in light winds.
I mounted two cleats on the coaming just behind where the arch of the tiller touches the coaming. I put a pig tail on three blocks and attach these to 3 cleats, the two coaming cleats and the third one on the bow cleat. I then run an old mainsheet through all of these blocks and snuggly tie both ends off on the tiller.
This line forms a loop that runs near the edges of the cabin entrance. You can stand in the cabin and use it like a big steering wheel with both hands or use it one handed. I have even put a cushion up on the bow and sat there in very light winds.
It works on all points of wind until about 8 kts with gusts then it is only good a little bit off the wind.
I use old main sheets because they are easy on the hands and are stiff enough not to run through the blocks too freely. This allows you to let go of the steering for short periods with the tiller loosely locked.
I have also changed over to a Catalina 22 tiller which lets me snuggle up to the cabin wall while sailing into the wind. I single hand almost all of the time and this works well. I did mount a tiller extension on the Catalina tiller but rarely used it.
Thanks
Doug Kelch M15 G #310 "Seas the Day"
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey, Jazzy
You have to slide a tube over the end of your tiller to be able to stand in the companionway. Not very handy and definitely not power steering. I use a hiking stick so I can sit on the rail sometimes or you could rig some turning blocks mounted on pad eyes to lead lines forward to the companionway hatch if you are planning to do a lot of off shore voyaging. Drive safely, Tom B
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On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys, let's hear about your tiller extensions. How long does it have to
be to stand in companionway? Whaddya got? What's good, what's bad?
Jazzy -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
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Good lord, and I thought a tiller extension was a project. Hahahah, nice work! Jazz On May 22, 2016 8:13 PM, "Steve Trapp" <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
Thanx, Steve
-----Original Message----- From: Bob Eeg Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 7:50 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tiller Extension...
Here Steve
http://www.sailhavasu.com/GOB_Entry_12.html
Bob
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On May 22, 2016, at 7:34 PM, Steve Trapp <stevetrapp@Q.com> wrote:
Was there a photo of the gaf M-15? Steve M-15 # 335 a gaffer fan
-----Original Message----- From: Douglas Kelch Sent: Sunday, May 22, 2016 5:29 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Tiller Extension...
Why - I always wanted a Gaff Cutter but they only seemed to exist in old heavy wooden designs and had a reputation for being slow with limited pointing ability. Then there was an article in Small Craft Adviser on the best rig for small cruising boat in which Paul Gartside and Howard Rice were interviewed. Their answer was a Gaff Cutter with the caveat that it was on a modern hull.
The M15 is a 3/4 rig and the sidestays are far enough aft so it will accommodate a longer boom and not require running backstays.
I designed the sail plan around the original Center of Effort so that the helm would pretty much feel the same. This required the bowsprit as I did not want to move the mast step. The overall sail plan was 3 ft lower and 30% larger and the CE stays close to the same place under most useful sail configurations down to a staysail and double reefed main.
Performance wise I am very pleased. I only lost 1 or 2 degrees in pointing ability and the speed is better than the sloop from 10 degrees off the wind to a 130 deg broad reach. In strong gusts it doesn't get kicked around and heel as fast due to the lower sail plan. It has sailed like a witch in 35 mph winds on our local lake with 3 ft seas under the stay sail and double reef. A very versatile rig.
Thanks
Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" M15 G #310
On Wed, May 18, 2016 at 3:22 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
Nice photo, I can see how the steering line is run in general.
Interesting rig on that M15! Can you say more about your customizations, the why of it - the bowsprit, cutter rig, mainsail alterations?
cheers, John S.
On 05/18/2016 09:31 AM, Douglas Kelch wrote:
I have cruised my M15 for many years and have used a remote steering system for much of that time. I can stand in the companionway for long comfortable periods. It has even allowed me to fly a spinnaker single handed in light winds.
I mounted two cleats on the coaming just behind where the arch of the tiller touches the coaming. I put a pig tail on three blocks and attach these to 3 cleats, the two coaming cleats and the third one on the bow cleat. I then run an old mainsheet through all of these blocks and snuggly tie both ends off on the tiller.
This line forms a loop that runs near the edges of the cabin entrance. You can stand in the cabin and use it like a big steering wheel with both hands or use it one handed. I have even put a cushion up on the bow and sat there in very light winds.
It works on all points of wind until about 8 kts with gusts then it is only good a little bit off the wind.
I use old main sheets because they are easy on the hands and are stiff enough not to run through the blocks too freely. This allows you to let go of the steering for short periods with the tiller loosely locked.
I have also changed over to a Catalina 22 tiller which lets me snuggle up to the cabin wall while sailing into the wind. I single hand almost all of the time and this works well. I did mount a tiller extension on the Catalina tiller but rarely used it.
Thanks
Doug Kelch M15 G #310 "Seas the Day"
On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 10:39 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hey, Jazzy
You have to slide a tube over the end of your tiller to be able to stand in the companionway. Not very handy and definitely not power steering. I use a hiking stick so I can sit on the rail sometimes or you could rig some turning blocks mounted on pad eyes to lead lines forward to the companionway hatch if you are planning to do a lot of off shore voyaging. Drive safely, Tom B
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On Tue, May 17, 2016 at 6:48 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi guys, let's hear about your tiller extensions. How long does it have to
be to stand in companionway? Whaddya got? What's good, what's bad?
Jazzy
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