Rudder Craft Kick Up Rudder - the M15 solution?
There is maybe too much discussion on this topic but I just can't help adding my own comment. I have a 1986 Montgomery 15 with what I believe to be the original kick up mahogany rudder. I love my rudder! It goes up and down so easily when I tell it to and even goes up when I run into something and didn't know in advance I wanted it up. I have done this often enough to appreciate this feature. It is also easy to clear it of things that wrap around it but quickly raising and lowering it. As you all probably know, the rudder is raised and lowered by raising and lowering the tiller. Up or down the process involves getting a little momentum going in the rudder to move it from one position to another. It works great. I know a 17 foot boat is different from a 15 foot boat but I don't understand why no one seems to pursue a beefier version of a Montgomery 15 rudder system for a Montgomery 17. It seems like such a great solution! David GrahBishop California
David. Sure can!! Sage 17, Sage 15 and SageCat use a beefed up version of the Jerry's (and Prindle's) M15 rudder. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com On Wed, Jun 13, 2018, 4:02 PM David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
There is maybe too much discussion on this topic but I just can't help adding my own comment. I have a 1986 Montgomery 15 with what I believe to be the original kick up mahogany rudder. I love my rudder! It goes up and down so easily when I tell it to and even goes up when I run into something and didn't know in advance I wanted it up. I have done this often enough to appreciate this feature. It is also easy to clear it of things that wrap around it but quickly raising and lowering it. As you all probably know, the rudder is raised and lowered by raising and lowering the tiller. Up or down the process involves getting a little momentum going in the rudder to move it from one position to another. It works great.
I know a 17 foot boat is different from a 15 foot boat but I don't understand why no one seems to pursue a beefier version of a Montgomery 15 rudder system for a Montgomery 17. It seems like such a great solution!
David GrahBishop California
Ron Holder and I developed this rudder together, after stealing it (with permission) from a 25' Florida- made catamaran that we saw at the Long Beach boat show. We bought the two brothers that made the cats dinner and a few drinks and wrapped them around our slimy fingers. Ron used it on his 17 and I on the m-15. The two brothers got the idea from a boat in England, still con permisso. We also use in on both Sages. From: David Grah via montgomery_boats Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 4:01 PM To: For and About Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Rudder Craft Kick Up Rudder - the M15 solution? There is maybe too much discussion on this topic but I just can't help adding my own comment. I have a 1986 Montgomery 15 with what I believe to be the original kick up mahogany rudder. I love my rudder! It goes up and down so easily when I tell it to and even goes up when I run into something and didn't know in advance I wanted it up. I have done this often enough to appreciate this feature. It is also easy to clear it of things that wrap around it but quickly raising and lowering it. As you all probably know, the rudder is raised and lowered by raising and lowering the tiller. Up or down the process involves getting a little momentum going in the rudder to move it from one position to another. It works great. I know a 17 foot boat is different from a 15 foot boat but I don't understand why no one seems to pursue a beefier version of a Montgomery 15 rudder system for a Montgomery 17. It seems like such a great solution! David GrahBishop California
Great story Jerry! Holder must have used it on other of his designs I think - I've sailed Hobie One/Holder Hawk/Holder 9 (same boat, multiple names) dinghies a bunch and they have a similar or same tiller-rudder linkage system for raising/lowering. There's a batch of pics in a post a ways down in this forum thread, from a Holder rudder: https://www.boatdesign.net/threads/bungee-and-blocks.30723/page-2 Very elegant really, one of those mechanical design puzzles that is so simple once it's been done (and so mysterious until then :-). cheers, John S. On 06/13/2018 04:18 PM, jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
Ron Holder and I developed this rudder together, after stealing it (with permission) from a 25' Florida- made catamaran that we saw at the Long Beach boat show. We bought the two brothers that made the cats dinner and a few drinks and wrapped them around our slimy fingers. Ron used it on his 17 and I on the m-15. The two brothers got the idea from a boat in England, still con permisso. We also use in on both Sages.
From: David Grah via montgomery_boats Sent: Wednesday, June 13, 2018 4:01 PM To: For and About Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Rudder Craft Kick Up Rudder - the M15 solution?
There is maybe too much discussion on this topic but I just can't help adding my own comment. I have a 1986 Montgomery 15 with what I believe to be the original kick up mahogany rudder. I love my rudder! It goes up and down so easily when I tell it to and even goes up when I run into something and didn't know in advance I wanted it up. I have done this often enough to appreciate this feature. It is also easy to clear it of things that wrap around it but quickly raising and lowering it. As you all probably know, the rudder is raised and lowered by raising and lowering the tiller. Up or down the process involves getting a little momentum going in the rudder to move it from one position to another. It works great.
I know a 17 foot boat is different from a 15 foot boat but I don't understand why no one seems to pursue a beefier version of a Montgomery 15 rudder system for a Montgomery 17. It seems like such a great solution!
David GrahBishop California
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