Definately go with the split backstay adjuster. In addition to your mentioned advantages if you have enough slack in the backstay it is much easier to pin up the forestay. Eldor M17 Motu iti -----Original Message----- From: Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, Jun 6, 2010 2:29 pm Subject: M_Boats: Backstay tensioner Has anyone with a M17 with a CDI furler toyed with installing a backstay ensioner? I have my backstay tightened down as far as the turnbuckle will llow but notice that the headstay/furler looks a little limp. To compensate I ightened up the headstay but now I have very little rake, if any. I've seen ecommended rakes as much a 12". 'm thinking that a backstay tensisoner might kill two birds with the same tone..... tighten the forestay and create some rake??? 'm thinking of using a pincher design using a 4 part purchase to tension a pair f blocks to ride down the split stays. Has anyone tried this? Are the ttachements at the the deck for the split backstay strong enough to handle a ackstay tensioner? Am I toying with danger that might damage any of the rest f the rigging?? Any advice is always welcome. hanks, oe 17 Seafrog #651 ______________________________________________ ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!
Joe, I worked out a simple but effective backstay tensioner which uses a split backstay car like the Johnson unit. Connected to the backstay car is a becket block/clamcleat combination sold by Duckworks ( www.duckworksbbs.com/hardware/cleats/sd002530/index.htm). On the transom, I use the eyestrap already installed (by Bob Eeg) for raising the stock rudder. Connected to this by a shackle is a two-part fiddle block ( www.duckworksbbs.com/hardware/blocks/rl378/index.htm). Between the fiddle block, the lower sheave on the car, and the block/clamcleat combination you can work out an (I think) four to one adjuster using a single line. I won't try to describe how the line runs, but it's quite simple to figure out once you start. Both Duckworks parts are quite inexpensive, nothing new needs to be attached to the transom, and I find that the load on the tensioner is quite low even when the forestay and backstay are fully tensioned. I've used this setup for two seasons now with a CDI furler both racing and cruising under a variety of stressful conditions with no problems. Good luck, Rick M-17 #633 Lynne L www.duckworksbbs.com/hardware/blocks/rl378/index.htm On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 8:29 PM, <eisenee@aol.com> wrote:
Definately go with the split backstay adjuster. In addition to your mentioned advantages if you have enough slack in the backstay it is much easier to pin up the forestay. Eldor M17 Motu iti
-----Original Message----- From: Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, Jun 6, 2010 2:29 pm Subject: M_Boats: Backstay tensioner
Has anyone with a M17 with a CDI furler toyed with installing a backstay ensioner? I have my backstay tightened down as far as the turnbuckle will llow but notice that the headstay/furler looks a little limp. To compensate I ightened up the headstay but now I have very little rake, if any. I've seen ecommended rakes as much a 12". 'm thinking that a backstay tensisoner might kill two birds with the same tone..... tighten the forestay and create some rake??? 'm thinking of using a pincher design using a 4 part purchase to tension a pair f blocks to ride down the split stays. Has anyone tried this? Are the ttachements at the the deck for the split backstay strong enough to handle a ackstay tensioner? Am I toying with danger that might damage any of the rest f the rigging?? Any advice is always welcome. hanks, oe 17 Seafrog #651 ______________________________________________ ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!
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Based on the outstanding advice I recieved, I set up a boom vang and a backstay tensioner on Seafrog. I spent the last 4 days with two other boats sailing the Neuse River and had a lot of fun experimenting with these two new enhancements. On Thursday I had very strong winds reaching up to Oriental and being able to stiffen up the headstay helped flatten the jib (just like Jerry said it would). On Saturday we had very very light winds so keeping the sails fat and happy was easier. Then I was so impressed with how easy it was to control the twist in the main with the boom vang (just like Jerry said it would). I did my best to keep up with a 26 ft home made smack with twin gaff rigged mains and a 26' Oday. There was no way to keep up with the smack in the light winds. And I learned a little more about hull speed. Plus I need to put Seafrog on a diet. I lost my water line after provisioning. Has anyone found any freeze dried beer?? Joe
"Plus I need to put Seafrog on a diet. I lost my water line after provisioning. Has anyone found any freeze dried beer?? Joe"
I love the way my 17 feels when loaded down with bilge beer. ~:0) The boat is fun when light....but I really prefer the solidity and inertia when the boat is cruising weight. I have found in moderate and heavier breezes the speed is basically the same. More relaxing. But that could just be the beer.........
Joe, Sounds like a good cruise. How far back from the goose neck on the boom did you attach the vang and where did you attach the "foot" of the vang? (in the mast slot or to the deck?) Bill On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
Based on the outstanding advice I recieved, I set up a boom vang and a backstay tensioner on Seafrog. I spent the last 4 days with two other boats sailing the Neuse River and had a lot of fun experimenting with these two new enhancements. On Thursday I had very strong winds reaching up to Oriental and being able to stiffen up the headstay helped flatten the jib (just like Jerry said it would). On Saturday we had very very light winds so keeping the sails fat and happy was easier. Then I was so impressed with how easy it was to control the twist in the main with the boom vang (just like Jerry said it would). I did my best to keep up with a 26 ft home made smack with twin gaff rigged mains and a 26' Oday. There was no way to keep up with the smack in the light winds. And I learned a little more about hull speed. Plus I need to put Seafrog on a diet. I lost my water line after provisioning. Has anyone found any freeze dried beer?? Joe _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
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I attached it 3' back from the goose neck per Jerry's recomendation. I have a ndewer mast plate that Bob is now using (I think) for all productions. It has 5 'D' rings welded to the base that allows me to attach the foot of the vang. It also is useful for setting it up as a preventer. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: Bill Wickett To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Monday, June 14, 2010 11:24 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boom vangs and Backstay tensioners Joe, Sounds like a good cruise. How far back from the goose neck on the boom did you attach the vang and where did you attach the "foot" of the vang? (in the mast slot or to the deck?) Bill On Mon, Jun 14, 2010 at 11:15 AM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
Based on the outstanding advice I recieved, I set up a boom vang and a backstay tensioner on Seafrog. I spent the last 4 days with two other boats sailing the Neuse River and had a lot of fun experimenting with these two new enhancements. On Thursday I had very strong winds reaching up to Oriental and being able to stiffen up the headstay helped flatten the jib (just like Jerry said it would). On Saturday we had very very light winds so keeping the sails fat and happy was easier. Then I was so impressed with how easy it was to control the twist in the main with the boom vang (just like Jerry said it would). I did my best to keep up with a 26 ft home made smack with twin gaff rigged mains and a 26' Oday. There was no way to keep up with the smack in the light winds. And I learned a little more about hull speed. Plus I need to put Seafrog on a diet. I lost my water line after provisioning. Has anyone found any freeze dried beer?? Joe _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
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