What is a good furling system for M15? Captain Jim Sailing vessel Pelican M15
Jim. Do you want reefing ability? :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 5:24 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
What is a good furling system for M15?
Captain Jim Sailing vessel Pelican M15
I have a roller furling on a M 17 I just bought. I want to change back a forestay. Why? Much easier to step mast and I want to only trailer the boat. I want the option to go either way depending on where I sail. Surprise to me not easy finding any marina that can do one. Have talked to West Marine and they will, but. Charlie Adams Chaada@aol.com Sent from my iPad
On Oct 7, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jim.
Do you want reefing ability?
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 5:24 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
What is a good furling system for M15?
Captain Jim Sailing vessel Pelican M15
You just need a regular wire forestay with appropriate fittings each end to match the length of the entire furler assembly. Or if your furler is the kind that encloses a wire forestay - CDI for example - then you may only need to remove the furler setup and just use the wire stay that already runs through it. cheers, John On 10/7/19 9:51 AM, Charles Adams via montgomery_boats wrote:
I have a roller furling on a M 17 I just bought. I want to change back a forestay. Why? Much easier to step mast and I want to only trailer the boat. I want the option to go either way depending on where I sail. Surprise to me not easy finding any marina that can do one. Have talked to West Marine and they will, but.
Charlie Adams Chaada@aol.com
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 7, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jim.
Do you want reefing ability?
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 5:24 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
What is a good furling system for M15?
Captain Jim Sailing vessel Pelican M15
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Charles. Why make a second forestay? The extrusion should just slide off the current forestay (if a CDI it Schaefer Snapfurl). You just need to store the extrusion flat NOT coiled. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 9:51 AM Charles Adams via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I have a roller furling on a M 17 I just bought. I want to change back a forestay. Why? Much easier to step mast and I want to only trailer the boat. I want the option to go either way depending on where I sail. Surprise to me not easy finding any marina that can do one. Have talked to West Marine and they will, but.
Charlie Adams Chaada@aol.com
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 7, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jim.
Do you want reefing ability?
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 5:24 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
What is a good furling system for M15?
Captain Jim Sailing vessel Pelican M15
Thanks skipper for the reply The boat is in a slip and I want reefing ability. Seldom need to step the mast Capt Jim Sailing vessel Pelican M15 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Dave Scobie Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 10:35 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: roller furling for Montgomery 15 Charles. Why make a second forestay? The extrusion should just slide off the current forestay (if a CDI it Schaefer Snapfurl). You just need to store the extrusion flat NOT coiled. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 9:51 AM Charles Adams via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
I have a roller furling on a M 17 I just bought. I want to change back a forestay. Why? Much easier to step mast and I want to only trailer the boat. I want the option to go either way depending on where I sail. Surprise to me not easy finding any marina that can do one. Have talked to West Marine and they will, but.
Charlie Adams Chaada@aol.com
Sent from my iPad
On Oct 7, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jim.
Do you want reefing ability?
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 5:24 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
What is a good furling system for M15?
Captain Jim Sailing vessel Pelican M15
Jim. As you want reefing ability, though I think it is really unneeded on the M15 (better to reef the main twice before reducing headsail and this gets you above 20 knots of wind), the CDI FF1 is the better choice (I prefer Schaefer's Snapfurl but not recommend for a 15' boat - if someone using the Schaefer PLEASE comment!). If you just want furling ability there are many great, simple, and better working units than the CDI. These non-reefing units use a wire luff in the headsail to replace the forestay. One thing - to use a furler the boat will be converted to a turnbuckle at the bow plate instead of a shroud adjuster. The Jerry built boats also have the forestay entering the mast and attached to a bolt with a thimble eye (bolt also holds the shrouds to the mast). The concern is with forestay wire rub where it exits the mast? Again, folks with furlers on M15's please comment. Another issue is using a turnbuckle on the forestay may encourage over-tightening of the rig and over stressing the boat or inducing incorrect mast rake or even bend. IMO the M15 with a hank-on jib and a downhaul, having a double reef main, can be sailed in over 20 knots of wind. It is when getting to the mod-20kts that a storm jib becomes useful. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 10:51 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
Thanks skipper for the reply
The boat is in a slip and I want reefing ability. Seldom need to step the mast
Capt Jim Sailing vessel Pelican M15
-----Original Message-----
On Oct 7, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jim.
Do you want reefing ability?
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 5:24 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
What is a good furling system for M15?
Captain Jim Sailing vessel Pelican M15
Thanks again skipper I am berthed on a side tie (with fenders) and rock jetty on the other side. I need to sail downwind to reach open water where I can hoist the main. I am hoping to be able to unfurl just a little of the jib to get me to open water. BTW is against my religion to bend on the gas-sail to get out of the "slip" . By just standing up I can usually get enough way on to steer to open water. Returning to the berth up wind is a different challenge that requires the use of the paddle . I also would like to use my 150% genoa for every condition like when I only want 100%. Does this sound nuts? Jim S -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Dave Scobie Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 11:23 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: roller furling for Montgomery 15 Jim. As you want reefing ability, though I think it is really unneeded on the M15 (better to reef the main twice before reducing headsail and this gets you above 20 knots of wind), the CDI FF1 is the better choice (I prefer Schaefer's Snapfurl but not recommend for a 15' boat - if someone using the Schaefer PLEASE comment!). If you just want furling ability there are many great, simple, and better working units than the CDI. These non-reefing units use a wire luff in the headsail to replace the forestay. One thing - to use a furler the boat will be converted to a turnbuckle at the bow plate instead of a shroud adjuster. The Jerry built boats also have the forestay entering the mast and attached to a bolt with a thimble eye (bolt also holds the shrouds to the mast). The concern is with forestay wire rub where it exits the mast? Again, folks with furlers on M15's please comment. Another issue is using a turnbuckle on the forestay may encourage over-tightening of the rig and over stressing the boat or inducing incorrect mast rake or even bend. IMO the M15 with a hank-on jib and a downhaul, having a double reef main, can be sailed in over 20 knots of wind. It is when getting to the mod-20kts that a storm jib becomes useful. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 10:51 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
Thanks skipper for the reply
The boat is in a slip and I want reefing ability. Seldom need to step the mast
Capt Jim Sailing vessel Pelican M15
-----Original Message-----
On Oct 7, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jim.
Do you want reefing ability?
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 5:24 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
What is a good furling system for M15?
Captain Jim Sailing vessel Pelican M15
150% Genoa on a M15? The largest standard headsail on the M15 128%. Anything larger requires sheeting outside the shrouds and the additional of sheet blocks installed on the after-portion of the toerails. (I bet 95%+ of all M15's have only one headsail and it is a 128% - the working headsail as Jerry designed the boat to use). :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 11:56 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
Thanks again skipper
I am berthed on a side tie (with fenders) and rock jetty on the other side. I need to sail downwind to reach open water where I can hoist the main. I am hoping to be able to unfurl just a little of the jib to get me to open water. BTW is against my religion to bend on the gas-sail to get out of the "slip" . By just standing up I can usually get enough way on to steer to open water. Returning to the berth up wind is a different challenge that requires the use of the paddle . I also would like to use my 150% genoa for every condition like when I only want 100%. Does this sound nuts?
Jim S
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Dave Scobie Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 11:23 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: roller furling for Montgomery 15
Jim.
As you want reefing ability, though I think it is really unneeded on the M15 (better to reef the main twice before reducing headsail and this gets you above 20 knots of wind), the CDI FF1 is the better choice (I prefer Schaefer's Snapfurl but not recommend for a 15' boat - if someone using the Schaefer PLEASE comment!).
If you just want furling ability there are many great, simple, and better working units than the CDI. These non-reefing units use a wire luff in the headsail to replace the forestay.
One thing - to use a furler the boat will be converted to a turnbuckle at the bow plate instead of a shroud adjuster. The Jerry built boats also have the forestay entering the mast and attached to a bolt with a thimble eye (bolt also holds the shrouds to the mast). The concern is with forestay wire rub where it exits the mast? Again, folks with furlers on M15's please comment.
Another issue is using a turnbuckle on the forestay may encourage over-tightening of the rig and over stressing the boat or inducing incorrect mast rake or even bend.
IMO the M15 with a hank-on jib and a downhaul, having a double reef main, can be sailed in over 20 knots of wind. It is when getting to the mod-20kts that a storm jib becomes useful.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 10:51 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
Thanks skipper for the reply
The boat is in a slip and I want reefing ability. Seldom need to step the mast
Capt Jim Sailing vessel Pelican M15
-----Original Message-----
On Oct 7, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jim.
Do you want reefing ability?
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 5:24 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
What is a good furling system for M15?
Captain Jim Sailing vessel Pelican M15
Hi Captain Jim, Could you share any details of your experience and challenges mooring an M15? Do you use bottom paint, and if so does it noticeably impair the performance of the boat? Any water intrusion issues in the keel trunk? As for the furling jib, is it so windy where you are moored that a regular jib alone gets too much speed? If I were to get sails made again for my M15, I would install a reef point in the jib plus tricks to make taking it in and out rapid. I have three headsails for my M15 (storm, working jib, and huge drifter), but don't much enjoy changing them out solo in a strong wind and close to shipping lanes and obstacles... Sincerely, Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Sadler" <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 11:55:42 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: roller furling for Montgomery 15 Thanks again skipper I am berthed on a side tie (with fenders) and rock jetty on the other side. I need to sail downwind to reach open water where I can hoist the main. I am hoping to be able to unfurl just a little of the jib to get me to open water. BTW is against my religion to bend on the gas-sail to get out of the "slip" . By just standing up I can usually get enough way on to steer to open water. Returning to the berth up wind is a different challenge that requires the use of the paddle . I also would like to use my 150% genoa for every condition like when I only want 100%. Does this sound nuts? Jim S -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Dave Scobie Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 11:23 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: roller furling for Montgomery 15 Jim. As you want reefing ability, though I think it is really unneeded on the M15 (better to reef the main twice before reducing headsail and this gets you above 20 knots of wind), the CDI FF1 is the better choice (I prefer Schaefer's Snapfurl but not recommend for a 15' boat - if someone using the Schaefer PLEASE comment!). If you just want furling ability there are many great, simple, and better working units than the CDI. These non-reefing units use a wire luff in the headsail to replace the forestay. One thing - to use a furler the boat will be converted to a turnbuckle at the bow plate instead of a shroud adjuster. The Jerry built boats also have the forestay entering the mast and attached to a bolt with a thimble eye (bolt also holds the shrouds to the mast). The concern is with forestay wire rub where it exits the mast? Again, folks with furlers on M15's please comment. Another issue is using a turnbuckle on the forestay may encourage over-tightening of the rig and over stressing the boat or inducing incorrect mast rake or even bend. IMO the M15 with a hank-on jib and a downhaul, having a double reef main, can be sailed in over 20 knots of wind. It is when getting to the mod-20kts that a storm jib becomes useful. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 10:51 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
Thanks skipper for the reply
The boat is in a slip and I want reefing ability. Seldom need to step the mast
Capt Jim Sailing vessel Pelican M15
-----Original Message-----
On Oct 7, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jim.
Do you want reefing ability?
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 5:24 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
What is a good furling system for M15?
Captain Jim Sailing vessel Pelican M15
Thanks Captain Tyler Yes I have bottom paint and cleaning service. I don’t think there is any less performance with the clean bottom. I am not sure what u mean about water intrusion???? About 5 years ago I replaced the steel keel ballast with lead. I have owned the boat for 40 years and at 75 yrs. I want to avoid the fore deck as much as possible. I am old school and only mount my motor under dire circumstances. The Pelican is a sail boat after all. Captain Jim Sailing vessel Pelican M15 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of casioqv@usermail.com Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 1:07 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: roller furling for Montgomery 15 Hi Captain Jim, Could you share any details of your experience and challenges mooring an M15? Do you use bottom paint, and if so does it noticeably impair the performance of the boat? Any water intrusion issues in the keel trunk? As for the furling jib, is it so windy where you are moored that a regular jib alone gets too much speed? If I were to get sails made again for my M15, I would install a reef point in the jib plus tricks to make taking it in and out rapid. I have three headsails for my M15 (storm, working jib, and huge drifter), but don't much enjoy changing them out solo in a strong wind and close to shipping lanes and obstacles... Sincerely, Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Sadler" <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 11:55:42 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: roller furling for Montgomery 15 Thanks again skipper I am berthed on a side tie (with fenders) and rock jetty on the other side. I need to sail downwind to reach open water where I can hoist the main. I am hoping to be able to unfurl just a little of the jib to get me to open water. BTW is against my religion to bend on the gas-sail to get out of the "slip" . By just standing up I can usually get enough way on to steer to open water. Returning to the berth up wind is a different challenge that requires the use of the paddle . I also would like to use my 150% genoa for every condition like when I only want 100%. Does this sound nuts? Jim S -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Dave Scobie Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 11:23 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: roller furling for Montgomery 15 Jim. As you want reefing ability, though I think it is really unneeded on the M15 (better to reef the main twice before reducing headsail and this gets you above 20 knots of wind), the CDI FF1 is the better choice (I prefer Schaefer's Snapfurl but not recommend for a 15' boat - if someone using the Schaefer PLEASE comment!). If you just want furling ability there are many great, simple, and better working units than the CDI. These non-reefing units use a wire luff in the headsail to replace the forestay. One thing - to use a furler the boat will be converted to a turnbuckle at the bow plate instead of a shroud adjuster. The Jerry built boats also have the forestay entering the mast and attached to a bolt with a thimble eye (bolt also holds the shrouds to the mast). The concern is with forestay wire rub where it exits the mast? Again, folks with furlers on M15's please comment. Another issue is using a turnbuckle on the forestay may encourage over-tightening of the rig and over stressing the boat or inducing incorrect mast rake or even bend. IMO the M15 with a hank-on jib and a downhaul, having a double reef main, can be sailed in over 20 knots of wind. It is when getting to the mod-20kts that a storm jib becomes useful. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 10:51 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
Thanks skipper for the reply
The boat is in a slip and I want reefing ability. Seldom need to step the mast
Capt Jim Sailing vessel Pelican M15
-----Original Message-----
On Oct 7, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jim.
Do you want reefing ability?
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 5:24 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
What is a good furling system for M15?
Captain Jim Sailing vessel Pelican M15
Can't speak directly to M15 but here's how it works for my M17 - which is a masthead, jib-driven rig, presumably more so than the M15 fractional rig. The M15 experts can speak to if/how this is relevant on an M15, but the part I already heard is Dave saying reef down the main, keep more jib, on the M15. I love having a roller reefing jib. In particular because the jib powers the M17 to a great degree. I used to have to start with a small jib, based on being prepared for wind to pick up through the afternoon. This meant that in lighter air I had too little jib, and in heavier air, where the jib was more appropriate in size, I was overpowered on the main. Or I'd reef the main and then be underpowered on the jib a bit still. Now I can put a full first reef in the main in higher winds, and then set out however much jib optimizes performance. Which is almost always more than when I had to start with a smaller fixed jib. Bottom line is, the M17 seems to perform best with a "goldilocks" amount of sail - not to much, not too little, juuuuuust right. And being able to optimize the jib size easily seems key to that. And, the "right" amount may seem like "too little" for folks who are used to heeling way over in a blow with full canvas, thnking that gives best speed. This last trip to Fern Ridge I got to experiment with both main and jib reefing over several days that varied from ghosting light air, to sweet sweet medium wind sailing, to short gusts of 25+ with around 15-20 steady. What I found is that as the boat gets even moderately overpowered, reducing sail does not cause any significant performance loss, and may even improve performance. One day as the wind was peaking late afternoon, I started reefing the jib to avoid being overpowered. Then started feeling overpowered on the main, so I put the first full reef in the main, and increased the jib. What a difference! I was going 90%-100% as fast, far more comfortably. Maybe even a bit faster at times, as the heel was not excessive and I wasn't needing to luff the main to avoid overpowering or round-up in gusts. It just felt awesome, like finding the sweet spot in anything. Scooting along noticeably faster than I imagined the reduced sail would enable. Also, at times in more moderate wind, on close to medium reach, the helm was so well balanced that I could literally hands-off the tiller for a moment or two and she would steer herself to correct for minor wind shifts. I think the jib to main balance is the main factor for this, for a given load in the boat and position of skipper in cockpit. So for the M15 experts...what if any of this is also relevant on the M15? cheers, John On 10/7/19 11:55 AM, Jim Sadler wrote:
Thanks again skipper
I am berthed on a side tie (with fenders) and rock jetty on the other side. I need to sail downwind to reach open water where I can hoist the main. I am hoping to be able to unfurl just a little of the jib to get me to open water. BTW is against my religion to bend on the gas-sail to get out of the "slip" . By just standing up I can usually get enough way on to steer to open water. Returning to the berth up wind is a different challenge that requires the use of the paddle . I also would like to use my 150% genoa for every condition like when I only want 100%. Does this sound nuts?
Jim S
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> On Behalf Of Dave Scobie Sent: Monday, October 7, 2019 11:23 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: roller furling for Montgomery 15
Jim.
As you want reefing ability, though I think it is really unneeded on the M15 (better to reef the main twice before reducing headsail and this gets you above 20 knots of wind), the CDI FF1 is the better choice (I prefer Schaefer's Snapfurl but not recommend for a 15' boat - if someone using the Schaefer PLEASE comment!).
If you just want furling ability there are many great, simple, and better working units than the CDI. These non-reefing units use a wire luff in the headsail to replace the forestay.
One thing - to use a furler the boat will be converted to a turnbuckle at the bow plate instead of a shroud adjuster. The Jerry built boats also have the forestay entering the mast and attached to a bolt with a thimble eye (bolt also holds the shrouds to the mast). The concern is with forestay wire rub where it exits the mast? Again, folks with furlers on M15's please comment.
Another issue is using a turnbuckle on the forestay may encourage over-tightening of the rig and over stressing the boat or inducing incorrect mast rake or even bend.
IMO the M15 with a hank-on jib and a downhaul, having a double reef main, can be sailed in over 20 knots of wind. It is when getting to the mod-20kts that a storm jib becomes useful.
:: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/
On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 10:51 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
Thanks skipper for the reply
The boat is in a slip and I want reefing ability. Seldom need to step the mast
Capt Jim Sailing vessel Pelican M15
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On Oct 7, 2019, at 10:41 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jim.
Do you want reefing ability?
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On Mon, Oct 7, 2019, 5:24 AM Jim Sadler <jimsadler@jascopacific.com> wrote:
What is a good furling system for M15?
Captain Jim Sailing vessel Pelican M15
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