Howzit from Kaneohe Bay? I’m dangerously close to splashing my restored ‘91 M17 and have options for AUX power; but must wonder if anyone has thought to / or successfully applied oars & locks to the cockpit combings. Or even a transom sweep??? Just checking! We just need to clear our lee shore reef, before we can sail to weather and beyond. Best ideas will be rewarded with an invitation to come over and crew! AloooHa! Mele Kalikimaka e Hauoli Makahiki Hou! Philipp @ SE’ABLE 808- 247-8497 seable@lava.net
I recently tried rowing my montgomery 15 only using lines attach to the stern cleats to pull against. I used boat cushions to protect the coaming. It did not work very well so I switch to one ore with the tiller tied off and it worked very well. I rowed several miles at about 1.5 kts. I only had seven and a half foot oar and I think the Montgomery 17 should probably have a 9 foot one. Doug Seas the Day May God #310 On Dec 16, 2013 7:50 PM, <seable@lava.net> wrote:
Howzit from Kaneohe Bay?
I’m dangerously close to splashing my restored ‘91 M17 and have options for AUX power; but must wonder if anyone has thought to / or successfully applied oars & locks to the cockpit combings. Or even a transom sweep??? Just checking! We just need to clear our lee shore reef, before we can sail to weather and beyond.
Best ideas will be rewarded with an invitation to come over and crew!
AloooHa! Mele Kalikimaka e Hauoli Makahiki Hou!
Philipp @ SE’ABLE 808- 247-8497
seable@lava.net
Phil I would love to crew for you but a little far for me come from Valparaiso, IN that's 50 mi. SW of Chicago. I have been thinking of adding oar locks to my M15. Keep us posted of you investigation and progress. I was thinking I would need maybe 8' long oars making the case for collapsible ones. George Merry Helen II M15 #602 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of seable@lava.net Sent: Monday, December 16, 2013 8:50 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Cc: Marie Kastensmith Subject: M_Boats: Oars/Sweeps for M17? Howzit from Kaneohe Bay? I'm dangerously close to splashing my restored '91 M17 and have options for AUX power; but must wonder if anyone has thought to / or successfully applied oars & locks to the cockpit combings. Or even a transom sweep??? Just checking! We just need to clear our lee shore reef, before we can sail to weather and beyond. Best ideas will be rewarded with an invitation to come over and crew! AloooHa! Mele Kalikimaka e Hauoli Makahiki Hou! Philipp @ SE'ABLE 808- 247-8497 seable@lava.net
Hi Mele, The Southeast Asians use a skulling oar to propel their crafts where there is no gasoline. The oar is about 8 to 12 feet long, rests in a notch or oarlock on the transom and is tethered to an eye set in the bottom of the boat. The wrist movement is one of a skulling oar, side to side with a slight flexing of the wrist. The downward force of the water on the blade tends to make the oar handle rise but the rope tether in the middle of the oar shaft attached to the cockpit floor takes care of that so all you have to do is push the oar away from you and back with a slight flex of the wrist. Take a couple of days practicing your timing around the boat dock and you will develop all the skill you will need. After that it is only a matter of strengthening the muscles used. It is really fun, actually. You might even serenade your sweetie while swaying from side to side skulling, like the Venetian boatmen do in Venice, Italy. I imagine you could mount an oar lock in the outboard notch on your transom and stand comfortably in your cockpit and skull with your left hand. That would give the oar a good angle of attack with the surface of the ocean. The oarlock should be open topped to facilitate shipping and unshipping the oar. The downward thrust of the water on the blade and the tether on the boat end will keep it securely in the oarlock. Personally while standing in an eight foot work boat with a six foot oar I skulled the boat against a 10 knot breeze while towing a 30 foot sailboat across a good sized inlet so the power is there in skulling. Be sure also to try the movement in choppy water since the boat motion will affect how you handle the oar in that instance. Good luck. Don't know which is more likely, an outboard stalling or an oar breaking, though a spare oar would be easier to replace at a moment's notice. Having scuba dived in Hawaii, I would not want to run my 17 up onto a coral head. You are a brave soul for facing that possibility on a regular basis. Fair winds, and currents, Tom B Montgomery 17, #258 On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 8:49 PM, <seable@lava.net> wrote:
Howzit from Kaneohe Bay?
I’m dangerously close to splashing my restored ‘91 M17 and have options for AUX power; but must wonder if anyone has thought to / or successfully applied oars & locks to the cockpit combings. Or even a transom sweep??? Just checking! We just need to clear our lee shore reef, before we can sail to weather and beyond.
Best ideas will be rewarded with an invitation to come over and crew!
AloooHa! Mele Kalikimaka e Hauoli Makahiki Hou!
Philipp @ SE’ABLE 808- 247-8497
seable@lava.net
I have "paddled" Pilgrim about two miles back to the dock when the wind completely died and I had no motor. I have also paddled in an out of our slip just to see if I could. I sit on starboard side combing and just paddle like a canoe. worked for me. don't know if it would work in any wind though....? At your service Larry Pegg M17 # 55 Pilgrim -----Original Message----- From: seable <seable@lava.net> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: Marie Kastensmith <kapuaent@lava.net> Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2013 6:50 pm Subject: M_Boats: Oars/Sweeps for M17? Howzit from Kaneohe Bay? I’m dangerously close to splashing my restored ‘91 M17 and have options for AUX power; but must wonder if anyone has thought to / or successfully applied oars & locks to the cockpit combings. Or even a transom sweep??? Just checking! We just need to clear our lee shore reef, before we can sail to weather and beyond. Best ideas will be rewarded with an invitation to come over and crew! AloooHa! Mele Kalikimaka e Hauoli Makahiki Hou! Philipp @ SE’ABLE 808- 247-8497 seable@lava.net
Larry I have also paddled "Merry Hellen II" I sit astride the bow so I can switch the paddle from side to side while leaning on the forestay. I have been able to get her back and into the slip from about 1 mi out in a fairly stiff breeze. George Merry Helen II 96 M15 #602 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Larry Pegg Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 10:48 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Oars/Sweeps for M17? I have "paddled" Pilgrim about two miles back to the dock when the wind completely died and I had no motor. I have also paddled in an out of our slip just to see if I could. I sit on starboard side combing and just paddle like a canoe. worked for me. don't know if it would work in any wind though....? At your service Larry Pegg M17 # 55 Pilgrim -----Original Message----- From: seable <seable@lava.net> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: Marie Kastensmith <kapuaent@lava.net> Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2013 6:50 pm Subject: M_Boats: Oars/Sweeps for M17? Howzit from Kaneohe Bay? I'm dangerously close to splashing my restored '91 M17 and have options for AUX power; but must wonder if anyone has thought to / or successfully applied oars & locks to the cockpit combings. Or even a transom sweep??? Just checking! We just need to clear our lee shore reef, before we can sail to weather and beyond. Best ideas will be rewarded with an invitation to come over and crew! AloooHa! Mele Kalikimaka e Hauoli Makahiki Hou! Philipp @ SE'ABLE 808- 247-8497 seable@lava.net
An inspection port on the aft wall of the cockpit is very handy. I cut mine in with a sabersaw. It is about 7inches x12 inches actual opening. Through it I plan to be able to through bolt my boarding ladder, install another gudgeon for the rudder and inspect the aft cockpit drain,hose and thru hull. All are handy to this area and do not involve child labor. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Larry Pegg <larrypegg@aol.com> wrote:
I have "paddled" Pilgrim about two miles back to the dock when the wind completely died and I had no motor. I have also paddled in an out of our slip just to see if I could. I sit on starboard side combing and just paddle like a canoe. worked for me. don't know if it would work in any wind though....?
At your service
Larry Pegg M17 # 55 Pilgrim
-----Original Message----- From: seable <seable@lava.net> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: Marie Kastensmith <kapuaent@lava.net> Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2013 6:50 pm Subject: M_Boats: Oars/Sweeps for M17?
Howzit from Kaneohe Bay?
I’m dangerously close to splashing my restored ‘91 M17 and have options for AUX power; but must wonder if anyone has thought to / or successfully applied oars & locks to the cockpit combings. Or even a transom sweep??? Just checking! We just need to clear our lee shore reef, before we can sail to weather and beyond.
Best ideas will be rewarded with an invitation to come over and crew!
AloooHa! Mele Kalikimaka e Hauoli Makahiki Hou!
Philipp @ SE’ABLE 808- 247-8497
seable@lava.net
Tom Makes sense will peruse this avenue of Installation. Do you have a model # for the Inspection port? George Merry Helen II 96 M15 #602 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 2:04 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Oars/Sweeps for M17? An inspection port on the aft wall of the cockpit is very handy. I cut mine in with a sabersaw. It is about 7inches x12 inches actual opening. Through it I plan to be able to through bolt my boarding ladder, install another gudgeon for the rudder and inspect the aft cockpit drain,hose and thru hull. All are handy to this area and do not involve child labor. On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Larry Pegg <larrypegg@aol.com> wrote:
I have "paddled" Pilgrim about two miles back to the dock when the wind completely died and I had no motor. I have also paddled in an out of our slip just to see if I could. I sit on starboard side combing and just paddle like a canoe. worked for me. don't know if it would work in any wind though....?
At your service
Larry Pegg M17 # 55 Pilgrim
-----Original Message----- From: seable <seable@lava.net> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: Marie Kastensmith <kapuaent@lava.net> Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2013 6:50 pm Subject: M_Boats: Oars/Sweeps for M17?
Howzit from Kaneohe Bay?
I'm dangerously close to splashing my restored '91 M17 and have options for AUX power; but must wonder if anyone has thought to / or successfully applied oars & locks to the cockpit combings. Or even a transom sweep??? Just checking! We just need to clear our lee shore reef, before we can sail to weather and beyond.
Best ideas will be rewarded with an invitation to come over and crew!
AloooHa! Mele Kalikimaka e Hauoli Makahiki Hou!
Philipp @ SE'ABLE 808- 247-8497
seable@lava.net
George, The model number is long gone. I just googled deck hatches and started snooping. Some of the cutrate supply houses like "Boater's surplus" usually have sales on hatches. I didn't even bother getting one that locked since there is really nothing of value beyond where I was installing it. I did choose a latching system that ended up being flush with the cockpit wall in deference to my ankles catching on any protrusions. It is water tight, of course. During the course of my inspections once the hole was cut I discovered a stout lifting bracket made of built up fiberglass resin and cloth. Possibly a relic from the days of the hull's manufacture. It is right exactly where I will be drilling holes for my third gudgeon so it will have to be removed. Although my 7x12 opening is adequate I would opt for as large a hatch as can be fit in the aft bulkhead. It is very cramped behind there anyway. You need to pay attention to the flange size, not the opening size of the hatch when ordering as the flange will determine how much room is needed to mount the hatch. I also placed the hinge side uppermost so the hatch tends to fall closed not open where it can be stepped on or allow a cockpit deluge to find its way below. This is one of the first improvements I made to the boat and it got me going in the right direction for several other projects. Good luck, Tom B. Mont 17, #258 On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 4:05 PM, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com>wrote:
Tom Makes sense will peruse this avenue of Installation. Do you have a model # for the Inspection port?
George Merry Helen II 96 M15 #602
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 2:04 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Oars/Sweeps for M17?
An inspection port on the aft wall of the cockpit is very handy. I cut mine in with a sabersaw. It is about 7inches x12 inches actual opening. Through it I plan to be able to through bolt my boarding ladder, install another gudgeon for the rudder and inspect the aft cockpit drain,hose and thru hull. All are handy to this area and do not involve child labor.
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Larry Pegg <larrypegg@aol.com> wrote:
I have "paddled" Pilgrim about two miles back to the dock when the wind completely died and I had no motor. I have also paddled in an out of our slip just to see if I could. I sit on starboard side combing and just paddle like a canoe. worked for me. don't know if it would work in any wind though....?
At your service
Larry Pegg M17 # 55 Pilgrim
-----Original Message----- From: seable <seable@lava.net> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: Marie Kastensmith <kapuaent@lava.net> Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2013 6:50 pm Subject: M_Boats: Oars/Sweeps for M17?
Howzit from Kaneohe Bay?
I'm dangerously close to splashing my restored '91 M17 and have options for AUX power; but must wonder if anyone has thought to / or successfully applied oars & locks to the cockpit combings. Or even a transom sweep??? Just checking! We just need to clear our lee shore reef, before we can sail to weather and beyond.
Best ideas will be rewarded with an invitation to come over and crew!
AloooHa! Mele Kalikimaka e Hauoli Makahiki Hou!
Philipp @ SE'ABLE 808- 247-8497
seable@lava.net
Tom Thanks for the input and warnings. George -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 4:29 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Oars/Sweeps for M17? George, The model number is long gone. I just googled deck hatches and started snooping. Some of the cutrate supply houses like "Boater's surplus" usually have sales on hatches. I didn't even bother getting one that locked since there is really nothing of value beyond where I was installing it. I did choose a latching system that ended up being flush with the cockpit wall in deference to my ankles catching on any protrusions. It is water tight, of course. During the course of my inspections once the hole was cut I discovered a stout lifting bracket made of built up fiberglass resin and cloth. Possibly a relic from the days of the hull's manufacture. It is right exactly where I will be drilling holes for my third gudgeon so it will have to be removed. Although my 7x12 opening is adequate I would opt for as large a hatch as can be fit in the aft bulkhead. It is very cramped behind there anyway. You need to pay attention to the flange size, not the opening size of the hatch when ordering as the flange will determine how much room is needed to mount the hatch. I also placed the hinge side uppermost so the hatch tends to fall closed not open where it can be stepped on or allow a cockpit deluge to find its way below. This is one of the first improvements I made to the boat and it got me going in the right direction for several other projects. Good luck, Tom B. Mont 17, #258 On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 4:05 PM, George R. Iemmolo <griemmolo2@gmail.com>wrote:
Tom Makes sense will peruse this avenue of Installation. Do you have a model # for the Inspection port?
George Merry Helen II 96 M15 #602
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Tuesday, December 17, 2013 2:04 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Oars/Sweeps for M17?
An inspection port on the aft wall of the cockpit is very handy. I cut mine in with a sabersaw. It is about 7inches x12 inches actual opening. Through it I plan to be able to through bolt my boarding ladder, install another gudgeon for the rudder and inspect the aft cockpit drain,hose and thru hull. All are handy to this area and do not involve child labor.
On Tue, Dec 17, 2013 at 10:47 AM, Larry Pegg <larrypegg@aol.com> wrote:
I have "paddled" Pilgrim about two miles back to the dock when the wind completely died and I had no motor. I have also paddled in an out of
our
slip just to see if I could. I sit on starboard side combing and just paddle like a canoe. worked for me. don't know if it would work in any wind though....?
At your service
Larry Pegg M17 # 55 Pilgrim
-----Original Message----- From: seable <seable@lava.net> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Cc: Marie Kastensmith <kapuaent@lava.net> Sent: Mon, Dec 16, 2013 6:50 pm Subject: M_Boats: Oars/Sweeps for M17?
Howzit from Kaneohe Bay?
I'm dangerously close to splashing my restored '91 M17 and have options for AUX power; but must wonder if anyone has thought to / or successfully applied oars & locks to the cockpit combings. Or even a transom sweep??? Just checking! We just need to clear our lee shore reef, before we can sail to weather and beyond.
Best ideas will be rewarded with an invitation to come over and crew!
AloooHa! Mele Kalikimaka e Hauoli Makahiki Hou!
Philipp @ SE'ABLE 808- 247-8497
seable@lava.net
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