I have found some interesting web sites for Bimini products. A site mentioned on a P-boat board, that has a positive endorsement. They make Biminis in Canada. (The admirable suggested I buy a Bimini, rather than make one, as my projects tend to take a looooooooong time to finish.) http://www.gmitopdesign.com/f-english.html? An English site that has some clever hardware. End fittings that screw in and out to adjust for fit. Track-mounted “universal” hinges. The tracks may be mounted on a deck that is not flat. Also a bimini mounted grab rail. http://www.sailcloth.co.uk/ Look under “TA Products”, then “Canopy, Sprayhood and Bimini.” The tracks are under “Type 316”. An Italian site with more clever ideas. Fittings that mount in oar locks. Sliding hinges that mount on the side of a deck. They even make a bimini that has hinges between each support leg and the top arch. The bimini can fold up into a compact package, but the hinges look on the flimsy side and are not attractive. http://web.tin.it/Tessilmare/suntop.html A US site with flush mounted hinges. http://www.acconmarine.com/ Some nifty ideas out there! Steve R. M-15 #119 Lexington, KY
I was out sailing on my M15 Saturday and noticed that the bolt that attaches the shrouds and forestay to the top of the mast is bent. I’m going to replace it, but first I need some advice. I assume it is ¼ inch stainless, but do I need to buy a special grade bolt? There is a West Marine store nearby so I’m guessing they will have what I need. Just need to know what to ask for. I’m kind of wondering how this could happen. The rigging is properly tensioned and when I stand the mast I attach the forestay by hand. Has anyone noticed the same thing on his or her rigging? Hank Kant
I noticed that bolt was "bent" when I first got my M15 in 1981. I assumed it was intentionally bent when it was installed so that the forestay would stay centered. I had occasion to remove and reinstall it this past summer when I ran wiring in the mast and did not notice any change (it is now 21 years later). Stan Winarski m15, #177, Carol II
It surprises me that the bolt bent. Is the bolt set up so that the forestay goes thru a machined slot in the face of the mast and hangs on the bolt on the INSIDE of the mast? Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanley Winarski" <winarski@cox.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 6:04 AM Subject: M_Boats: Re: M_Boats: Questions on M15 rigging - Bent bolt
I noticed that bolt was "bent" when I first got my M15 in 1981. I assumed it was intentionally bent when it was installed so that the forestay would stay centered. I had occasion to remove and reinstall it this past summer when I ran wiring in the mast and did not notice any change (it is now 21 years later).
Stan Winarski m15, #177, Carol II
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This may or may not help, but for what it's worth, I've put up a photo of the M-17 masthead that Howard Audsley sent in earlier for a different purpose. Having never seen an M-15, I don't know if it's the same. If so, maybe Jerry could refer to it and see if the forestay is in the right position (this is how mine is, too). To avoid opening up a different discussion, the block beneath it is for a spinnaker halyard that Howard knows is in the wrong location (this is the "Before" picture, I'm waiting for the "After"). http://msog.org/qflag/audsley_masthead.jpg I'd like to have some shots of properly rigged mastheads fore and aft of a 15, 17, and 23 for reference on the MSOG. Doug At 08:40 PM 2/3/03 -0800, you wrote:
It surprises me that the bolt bent. Is the bolt set up so that the forestay goes thru a machined slot in the face of the mast and hangs on the bolt on the INSIDE of the mast?
Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanley Winarski" <winarski@cox.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 6:04 AM Subject: M_Boats: Re: M_Boats: Questions on M15 rigging - Bent bolt
I noticed that bolt was "bent" when I first got my M15 in 1981. I assumed it was intentionally bent when it was installed so that the forestay would stay centered. I had occasion to remove and reinstall it this past summer when I ran wiring in the mast and did not notice any change (it is now 21 years later).
Stan Winarski m15, #177, Carol II
Regarding the M-17 masthead photo, the headstay should go in the lower set of holes, the spin. halyard in the upper, altho if there is no spinnaker halyard there is no reason why the headstay can't go in the upper. Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug King To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 9:16 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Questions on M15 rigging - Bent bolt This may or may not help, but for what it's worth, I've put up a photo of the M-17 masthead that Howard Audsley sent in earlier for a different purpose. Having never seen an M-15, I don't know if it's the same. If so, maybe Jerry could refer to it and see if the forestay is in the right position (this is how mine is, too). To avoid opening up a different discussion, the block beneath it is for a spinnaker halyard that Howard knows is in the wrong location (this is the "Before" picture, I'm waiting for the "After"). http://msog.org/qflag/audsley_masthead.jpg I'd like to have some shots of properly rigged mastheads fore and aft of a 15, 17, and 23 for reference on the MSOG. Doug At 08:40 PM 2/3/03 -0800, you wrote:
It surprises me that the bolt bent. Is the bolt set up so that the forestay goes thru a machined slot in the face of the mast and hangs on the bolt on the INSIDE of the mast?
Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanley Winarski" <winarski@cox.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 6:04 AM Subject: M_Boats: Re: M_Boats: Questions on M15 rigging - Bent bolt
I noticed that bolt was "bent" when I first got my M15 in 1981. I assumed it was intentionally bent when it was installed so that the forestay would stay centered. I had occasion to remove and reinstall it this past summer when I ran wiring in the mast and did not notice any change (it is now 21 years later).
Stan Winarski m15, #177, Carol II
One other benefit from attaching the forestay to the lower position, is that it immediately adds some rake to the mast. I had nearly maxed out my forestay adjustment, and this gained an additional inch or so of adjustment and more rake. I still don¹t have much if any weather helm, so I¹m now interested in hearing more about fore and aft balance, and how that affects weather helm and overall speed. Between me, the motor, gas, 3 anchors, all the stuff in the port locker, etc. I¹m probably loaded heavy to stern. Will moving more weight forward increase the amount of weather helm? Howard M17, #278 On 2/4/03 11:12 AM, "Jerry Montgomery" <jmbn@innercite.com> wrote:
Regarding the M-17 masthead photo, the headstay should go in the lower set of holes, the spin. halyard in the upper, altho if there is no spinnaker halyard there is no reason why the headstay can't go in the upper.
Jerry
----- Original Message ----- From: Doug King <mailto:msog@msog.org> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 9:16 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Questions on M15 rigging - Bent bolt
This may or may not help, but for what it's worth, I've put up a photo of the M-17 masthead that Howard Audsley sent in earlier for a different purpose. Having never seen an M-15, I don't know if it's the same.
If so, maybe Jerry could refer to it and see if the forestay is in the right position (this is how mine is, too). To avoid opening up a different discussion, the block beneath it is for a spinnaker halyard that Howard knows is in the wrong location (this is the "Before" picture, I'm waiting for the "After").
http://msog.org/qflag/audsley_masthead.jpg
I'd like to have some shots of properly rigged mastheads fore and aft of a 15, 17, and 23 for reference on the MSOG.
Doug
At 08:40 PM 2/3/03 -0800, you wrote:
It surprises me that the bolt bent. Is the bolt set up so that the forestay goes thru a machined slot in the face of the mast and hangs on the bolt on the INSIDE of the mast?
Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanley Winarski" <winarski@cox.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 6:04 AM Subject: M_Boats: Re: M_Boats: Questions on M15 rigging - Bent bolt
I noticed that bolt was "bent" when I first got my M15 in 1981. I assumed it was intentionally bent when it was installed so that the forestay would stay centered. I had occasion to remove and reinstall it this past summer when I ran wiring in the mast and did not notice any change (it is now 21 years later).
Stan Winarski m15, #177, Carol II
Doug, I know you didn't want to start a discussion on the misplaced block, but that's where my sailmaker suggested I position one for a "CGI Sock" halyard: For reasons I won't go into, I did not have UV protectant sewn into my genoa when I had it mounted on a Flexible Furler last season, but had a "foresail cover" ("CGI Sock") made that will be lifted to its full height using a block somewhere up there on the masthead. Also, my sailmaker recommended a similar position for a topping lift block on the back of the masthead. Any thoughts anyone? Thanks, Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: Doug King To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2003 1:16 AM Subject: Questions on M15 rigging - Bent bolt This may or may not help, but for what it's worth, I've put up a photo of the M-17 masthead that Howard Audsley sent in earlier for a different purpose. Having never seen an M-15, I don't know if it's the same. If so, maybe Jerry could refer to it and see if the forestay is in the right position (this is how mine is, too). To avoid opening up a different discussion, the block beneath it is for a spinnaker halyard that Howard knows is in the wrong location (this is the "Before" picture, I'm waiting for the "After"). http://msog.org/qflag/audsley_masthead.jpg I'd like to have some shots of properly rigged mastheads fore and aft of a 15, 17, and 23 for reference on the MSOG. Doug At 08:40 PM 2/3/03 -0800, you wrote: It surprises me that the bolt bent. Is the bolt set up so that the forestay goes thru a machined slot in the face of the mast and hangs on the bolt on the INSIDE of the mast? Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanley Winarski" <winarski@cox.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 6:04 AM Subject: Questions on M15 rigging - Bent bolt I noticed that bolt was "bent" when I first got my M15 in 1981. I assumed it was intentionally bent when it was installed so that the forestay would stay centered. I had occasion to remove and reinstall it this past summer when I ran wiring in the mast and did not notice any change (it is now 21 years later). Stan Winarski m15, #177, Carol II
Jerry, Yes, the forestay eye enters the mast through a slot in the front of the mast and the bolt slides through it. The shrouds are held by the same bolt. There was no indication that the bolt holes in the sides of the mast had been stressed or compressed - but the apparently improper bend in the bolt was not great. I've got some SS bolts in hand so I'll replace it before heading to Florida next month......although it has worked just fine for 21 years bent. Stan
Jerry, It's rigged as you describe. The rigging has never been disassembled since the boat was new. I'll go ahead and replace the bolt. Hank ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jerry Montgomery" <jmbn@innercite.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 9:40 PM Subject: M_Boats: Re: M_Boats: Re: M_Boats: Questions on M15 rigging - Bent bolt
It surprises me that the bolt bent. Is the bolt set up so that the forestay goes thru a machined slot in the face of the mast and hangs on the bolt on the INSIDE of the mast?
Jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stanley Winarski" <winarski@cox.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, February 03, 2003 6:04 AM Subject: M_Boats: Re: M_Boats: Questions on M15 rigging - Bent bolt
I noticed that bolt was "bent" when I first got my M15 in 1981. I assumed it was intentionally bent when it was installed so that the forestay would stay centered. I had occasion to remove and reinstall it this past summer when I ran wiring in the mast and did not notice any change (it is now 21 years later).
Stan Winarski m15, #177, Carol II
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