10-4 Doug. I understand everything you say re: cleats in your message. I'm changing out the clam cleats for cam cleats for headsail sheets on our M15 too. I like the idea of a wood block and use of existing holes... t   Tom Smith and Jane Van Winkle M15--345  Chukar M17--064  Unnamed -----Original Message----- From: Doug Kelch [mailto:doug_kelch@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 5:57 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: Jib cleats - clam replacement Tom, Yes, I guess I tried to use "catalog" speak instead of my normal vocabulary. The cleats that came standard on the M15 were what I used to call Jam cleats that have no moving parts and the line just jams down in the ribbed v slot. These are the ones that are not holding. The spring loaded cam cleats are what I want to go to. The Ronstan catalog calls them C cleats. ( and Ronstan calls the jam cleats V cleats and the company called Clamcleat calls the jam cleat a clamcleat) Guess what - Schaefer and Harken call a cam cleat a cam cleat! The two holes for the screws in the jam cleats are in line with the direction of the line. The cam cleat holes are lined up perpendicular to the direction of the line. thanks Doug --- "Smith, Tom" <Tom.Smith@itron.com> wrote:

Are you saying cam cleat when you say c cleat Doug?

Tom Smith and Jane Van Winkle M15--345 Chukar M17--064 Unnamed

-----Original Message----- From: Doug Kelch [mailto:doug_kelch@yahoo.com] Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 6:38 AM To: Montgomery Subject: M_Boats: Jib cleats - clam replacement

I just went through the second set of clam cleats in three years on my M15. The last set was the more expensive aluminum ones with the hope that they would last longer than the phenolic ones. I replaced the jib sheets at the same time with soft easy to grip line.

I intend to replace them with C cleats.

I plan on mounting a block of wood in the original clam cleat holes and have T nuts in the locations for the C cleats. This should avoid any new thru deck holes.

Is there a better way?

How have others done this?

Doug Kelch "Seas the Day"

These clam cleats work well in light airs but I had a great weekend sail with strong gusty winds. I kept the working 110% jib up too long before dropping to the 70% jib and that was the end of the clam cleats.

I spent 1 day with 110% and single reefed main and was overpowered frequently. The second day I was almost constantly backwinding the single reefed main about 30 - 40% until I changed jibs. The M15 handled very will with the 80% jib and single reefed main. I would guess the conditions at 18kts steady state with gust as high as 25 to 28 kts. In the strong gusts with the reduced rig we would still have to be quick to avoid too much heel but were in not at risk at all.

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