Re: M_Boats: Any experience with Schaefer cam cleats?
Ronstan are good, Harken 150's are the benchmark for ball bearing hard coated cam cleats (do NOT use cleat as template when drilling for mounting screws) Some Ronstans have steel teeth molded into the cams - depends on what type of line you are using - 7/16 is pretty large sounding line for an M-Boat. That may require a Large model cleat - Harken Offshore - as example. If the existing worn cleats are Harken - Ball bearings were available as a part (delrin) or hi-load balls (torlon). Schaefers are mid level pieces, hard to engage line compared to others - not particularly long lasting or smooth operating in my experience- just another opinion and worth 2 cents - no charge.( I changed out ALL Schaeffer cleats on my last S2 to Harken 150's - big difference.) Have Fun, Go Sailing! GO In a message dated 7/17/2015 3:40:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, john@eco-living.net writes: Hi all, I need to replace some very aged delrin-ball-bearings-falling-out cam cleats (for 7/16" jib sheets). Anyone have any experience, pro or con, with the Schaefer brand offerings? Such as this: http://www.shopsoundboatworks.com/scmefacamcl.html Vs. for example Harken, Ronstan. thanks, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
John: i, like Gary, was wondering about the 7/16" line for the headsail sheets. 5/16" lines are HUGE overkill on strength. i use 1/4". -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com On Fri, Jul 17, 2015 at 5:53 PM, GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Ronstan are good, Harken 150's are the benchmark for ball bearing hard coated cam cleats (do NOT use cleat as template when drilling for mounting screws) Some Ronstans have steel teeth molded into the cams - depends on what type of line you are using - 7/16 is pretty large sounding line for an M-Boat. That may require a Large model cleat - Harken Offshore - as example.
If the existing worn cleats are Harken - Ball bearings were available as a part (delrin) or hi-load balls (torlon).
Schaefers are mid level pieces, hard to engage line compared to others - not particularly long lasting or smooth operating in my experience- just another opinion and worth 2 cents - no charge.( I changed out ALL Schaeffer cleats on my last S2 to Harken 150's - big difference.)
Have Fun, Go Sailing! GO
In a message dated 7/17/2015 3:40:30 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, john@eco-living.net writes:
Hi all,
I need to replace some very aged delrin-ball-bearings-falling-out cam cleats (for 7/16" jib sheets). Anyone have any experience, pro or con, with the Schaefer brand offerings? Such as this:
http://www.shopsoundboatworks.com/scmefacamcl.html
Vs. for example Harken, Ronstan.
thanks, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Thanks all for opinions and experiences! The existing ones are AFAIK the Harken 150's, will double-check. So thanks for the idea about parts, I actually hadn't thought of that. I see there's a rebuild kit available...less than half the price of a new cam. Seems like it would be the most cost-effective given what I've got, yes? The major pieces seem in decent shape. But on one pawl, a bunch of bearings just fell out the other day, looking like those little white styrofoam beads from the '70's bean bag chairs. I reckon the internal spacers that keep them in place broke apart from age/wear/weather (I don't know exact age, but they could be up to ~20 years old). To clarify about the line diameter, in this case the cleats are not on a Monty...though they are on a slightly larger Lyle Hess design. I am one of those watching for an available Monty, but as some of the welcomes to Wayne indicated, they are somewhat rare on the market, hold high value, may be across the country. I'm still watching, and, I want to sail in the meantime, increase my experience with something portable but bigger than my garage-sale '90's sailboard or refurbishment-in-progress wooden El Toro dinghy #769. So a few months ago I bought a '73 Ensenada 20 that was for sale reasonably locally & cheap & in decent and fundamentally sail-able condition. There is work I could do on it, and may this winter, and small fixes (like the cam cleat), but it's not a project boat, I can just go sail it. I used to live mostly in east Hawai'i Island where we have the awesome Na Hoa Holomoku, "Hawai'i yacht club" (a.k.a. Hilo Sailing Club), and for very modest membership fees and contributing to club maintenance work, could get my fix on fun boats from performance dinghies and beach cats and a Wharram cat to a handful of larger boats (Venture 17, Potter 19, two International Folkboats - and a member's own Corsair 31 which he very generously sails for a lot of club activities). Also FWIW the M-15 that was sailed to Hawai'i from the west coast and then made its home on O'ahu for years moved to Hawai'i island somewhere in recent years, and was for sale at some point in the last year or two (I think I posted a link here). cheers, John S. On 07/17/2015 04:59 PM, Dave Scobie wrote:
John:
i, like Gary, was wondering about the 7/16" line for the headsail sheets. 5/16" lines are HUGE overkill on strength. i use 1/4".
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Check this 14-footer out: http://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/boa/5126451635.html Any history for us on this model, Jerry? cheers, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
That's an M-12; a neat boat. I don't remember shipping one to HI so it must have been an aftermarket thing. -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 4:28 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Speaking of M-boats in Hawai'i... Check this 14-footer out: http://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/boa/5126451635.html Any history for us on this model, Jerry? cheers, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Very nice! Jeffrey On Sat, Jul 18, 2015 at 10:41 PM, <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
That's an M-12; a neat boat. I don't remember shipping one to HI so it must have been an aftermarket thing. -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2015 4:28 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Speaking of M-boats in Hawai'i...
Check this 14-footer out: http://honolulu.craigslist.org/oah/boa/5126451635.html
Any history for us on this model, Jerry?
cheers, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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