anyone have a comment on their experience with roller furling on their M23? my Ole'Body does not work so well with going forward single handed to hank on a smaller jib when the wind pipes up. I'd appreciate hearing here or off list . Thanks, Sent from my iPad
Hi Bruce, I had been using hank on for years on my M-23 and recently put a new set of sails on and upgraded to roller furling after an instructor that did lessons on our boat for my wife and I said that roller furling would be a big improvement in safety. My 23 has narrow side decks (as all do I think) and no life lines. So going forward was a challenge and I figured if I lost some racing performance with the furler sail it would not hurt me too much! Although crewing on other boats I see quite a few racing boats (including the Bennateau I am on) that have furlers. What I have found is that since I dock the boat I only have to deal with the extra hardware (or the riggers do) twice a year and it makes going sailing much faster. I am out on the water quicker without having to mess with the head sail and having a beverage faster at the dock when coming back in. You just pull on lines to unfurl and furl and reducing sail is a breeze (pun unintended). So I have been very happy with the roller furler. Your mileage may vary. Thanks Robbin M-23 "Pinch Me" out of Deale MD On 9/14/2014 12:58 AM, Bruce Ward wrote:
anyone have a comment on their experience with roller furling on their M23? my Ole'Body does not work so well with going forward single handed to hank on a smaller jib when the wind pipes up. I'd appreciate hearing here or off list . Thanks,
Sent from my iPad
Robbin, I went to roller furling on my M17 years ago and never regretted it, and I race all the time. The secret is a luff pad (from Elliot-Pattison) on the genoa that allows the sail to retain shape when partially rolled. I saw that Deale was featured in the Real Estate section of the Washington Post yesterday. Do you live in Deale? Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Robbin Roddewig < robbin.roddewig@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi Bruce, I had been using hank on for years on my M-23 and recently put a new set of sails on and upgraded to roller furling after an instructor that did lessons on our boat for my wife and I said that roller furling would be a big improvement in safety. My 23 has narrow side decks (as all do I think) and no life lines. So going forward was a challenge and I figured if I lost some racing performance with the furler sail it would not hurt me too much! Although crewing on other boats I see quite a few racing boats (including the Bennateau I am on) that have furlers. What I have found is that since I dock the boat I only have to deal with the extra hardware (or the riggers do) twice a year and it makes going sailing much faster. I am out on the water quicker without having to mess with the head sail and having a beverage faster at the dock when coming back in. You just pull on lines to unfurl and furl and reducing sail is a breeze (pun unintended).
So I have been very happy with the roller furler. Your mileage may vary.
Thanks Robbin M-23 "Pinch Me" out of Deale MD
On 9/14/2014 12:58 AM, Bruce Ward wrote:
anyone have a comment on their experience with roller furling on their M23? my Ole'Body does not work so well with going forward single handed to hank on a smaller jib when the wind pipes up. I'd appreciate hearing here or off list . Thanks,
Sent from my iPad
Hi Rick, Do you trailer your 17 or keep it at a dock? I have considered a roller on the jib on my 17 but wonder how it would be to handle stepping and unstepping the mast with a boat that I trail. Had a roller on my 28'Cape Dory long ago and they are nice! Regards, Tom B On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Robbin,
I went to roller furling on my M17 years ago and never regretted it, and I race all the time. The secret is a luff pad (from Elliot-Pattison) on the genoa that allows the sail to retain shape when partially rolled.
I saw that Deale was featured in the Real Estate section of the Washington Post yesterday. Do you live in Deale?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Robbin Roddewig < robbin.roddewig@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi Bruce, I had been using hank on for years on my M-23 and recently put a new set of sails on and upgraded to roller furling after an instructor that did lessons on our boat for my wife and I said that roller furling would be a big improvement in safety. My 23 has narrow side decks (as all do I think) and no life lines. So going forward was a challenge and I figured if I lost some racing performance with the furler sail it would not hurt me too much! Although crewing on other boats I see quite a few racing boats (including the Bennateau I am on) that have furlers. What I have found is that since I dock the boat I only have to deal with the extra hardware (or the riggers do) twice a year and it makes going sailing much faster. I am out on the water quicker without having to mess with the head sail and having a beverage faster at the dock when coming back in. You just pull on lines to unfurl and furl and reducing sail is a breeze (pun unintended).
So I have been very happy with the roller furler. Your mileage may vary.
Thanks Robbin M-23 "Pinch Me" out of Deale MD
On 9/14/2014 12:58 AM, Bruce Ward wrote:
anyone have a comment on their experience with roller furling on their M23? my Ole'Body does not work so well with going forward single handed to hank on a smaller jib when the wind pipes up. I'd appreciate hearing here or off list . Thanks,
Sent from my iPad
Tom, We have a 17 with furler, and it works great. We raise the mast with a tackle attached to the bow pulpit and the unused jib halyard (ala CDI), with a gin pole added to redirect the effort. The furler and drum just slide along the deck to the stem fitting as the mast goes up. No deck ape required. Tom J. On Sep 14, 2014, at 8:55 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Rick, Do you trailer your 17 or keep it at a dock? I have considered a roller on the jib on my 17 but wonder how it would be to handle stepping and unstepping the mast with a boat that I trail. Had a roller on my 28'Cape Dory long ago and they are nice!
Regards, Tom B
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Robbin,
I went to roller furling on my M17 years ago and never regretted it, and I race all the time. The secret is a luff pad (from Elliot-Pattison) on the genoa that allows the sail to retain shape when partially rolled.
I saw that Deale was featured in the Real Estate section of the Washington Post yesterday. Do you live in Deale?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Robbin Roddewig < robbin.roddewig@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi Bruce, I had been using hank on for years on my M-23 and recently put a new set of sails on and upgraded to roller furling after an instructor that did lessons on our boat for my wife and I said that roller furling would be a big improvement in safety. My 23 has narrow side decks (as all do I think) and no life lines. So going forward was a challenge and I figured if I lost some racing performance with the furler sail it would not hurt me too much! Although crewing on other boats I see quite a few racing boats (including the Bennateau I am on) that have furlers. What I have found is that since I dock the boat I only have to deal with the extra hardware (or the riggers do) twice a year and it makes going sailing much faster. I am out on the water quicker without having to mess with the head sail and having a beverage faster at the dock when coming back in. You just pull on lines to unfurl and furl and reducing sail is a breeze (pun unintended).
So I have been very happy with the roller furler. Your mileage may vary.
Thanks Robbin M-23 "Pinch Me" out of Deale MD
On 9/14/2014 12:58 AM, Bruce Ward wrote:
anyone have a comment on their experience with roller furling on their M23? my Ole'Body does not work so well with going forward single handed to hank on a smaller jib when the wind pipes up. I'd appreciate hearing here or off list . Thanks,
Sent from my iPad
Hi Tom, I think I can picture what you do, just to be clear, when you start out the mast foot is resting on the bow pulpit and you walk the mast back to be able to thru bolt the bottom of the mast to the deck tabernacle. thanks for the information. Never did like shortening sail on that tiny pitching foredeck on my old 17. fair winds Tom B On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
Tom,
We have a 17 with furler, and it works great. We raise the mast with a tackle attached to the bow pulpit and the unused jib halyard (ala CDI), with a gin pole added to redirect the effort. The furler and drum just slide along the deck to the stem fitting as the mast goes up. No deck ape required.
Tom J.
On Sep 14, 2014, at 8:55 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Rick, Do you trailer your 17 or keep it at a dock? I have considered a roller on the jib on my 17 but wonder how it would be to handle stepping and unstepping the mast with a boat that I trail. Had a roller on my 28'Cape Dory long ago and they are nice!
Regards, Tom B
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Robbin,
I went to roller furling on my M17 years ago and never regretted it, and I race all the time. The secret is a luff pad (from Elliot-Pattison) on the genoa that allows the sail to retain shape when partially rolled.
I saw that Deale was featured in the Real Estate section of the Washington Post yesterday. Do you live in Deale?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Robbin Roddewig < robbin.roddewig@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi Bruce, I had been using hank on for years on my M-23 and recently put a new set of sails on and upgraded to roller furling after an instructor that did lessons on our boat for my wife and I said that roller furling would be a big improvement in safety. My 23 has narrow side decks (as all do I think) and no life lines. So going forward was a challenge and I figured if I lost some racing performance with the furler sail it would not hurt me too much! Although crewing on other boats I see quite a few racing boats (including the Bennateau I am on) that have furlers. What I have found is that since I dock the boat I only have to deal with the extra hardware (or the riggers do) twice a year and it makes going sailing much faster. I am out on the water quicker without having to mess with the head sail and having a beverage faster at the dock when coming back in. You just pull on lines to unfurl and furl and reducing sail is a breeze (pun unintended).
So I have been very happy with the roller furler. Your mileage may vary.
Thanks Robbin M-23 "Pinch Me" out of Deale MD
On 9/14/2014 12:58 AM, Bruce Ward wrote:
anyone have a comment on their experience with roller furling on their M23? my Ole'Body does not work so well with going forward single handed to hank on a smaller jib when the wind pipes up. I'd appreciate hearing here or off list . Thanks,
Sent from my iPad
Tom (and Rick), Sliding the mast base back to the step is facilitated by a height-adjustable roller attachment on the Idasailor rudder, which can be raised high enough so the tackle and gin pole alone can raise the mast all the way up (without muscle power). I never remove the jib from the furler (unless it needs maintenance), and I leave all the standing rigging attached except the head stay/furler. To stabilize the mast side-to-side on the way up, my answer to the A-frame is a pair of ropes from the hand rails to the gin pole, anchored such that their tension remains constant as the mast rises. I imagine I could still muscle the mast up without my rig and with the furler on, but it isn’t safe without a second person to keep the rigging from snagging on something. Sometimes a second person is not available, and even with two people it is still easier and safer (for you and the boat) to raise the mast slowly and carefully. And the day eventually arrives for everyone when brute strength will not be available. By the way, I suppose everyone knows that it is wise to sew a substantial strip of sunbrella on the jib leech to avoid sun damage to the sail when it is rolled up. Tom J., M17 Scintilla On Sep 14, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tom, I think I can picture what you do, just to be clear, when you start out the mast foot is resting on the bow pulpit and you walk the mast back to be able to thru bolt the bottom of the mast to the deck tabernacle. thanks for the information. Never did like shortening sail on that tiny pitching foredeck on my old 17. fair winds Tom B
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
Tom,
We have a 17 with furler, and it works great. We raise the mast with a tackle attached to the bow pulpit and the unused jib halyard (ala CDI), with a gin pole added to redirect the effort. The furler and drum just slide along the deck to the stem fitting as the mast goes up. No deck ape required.
Tom J.
On Sep 14, 2014, at 8:55 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Rick, Do you trailer your 17 or keep it at a dock? I have considered a roller on the jib on my 17 but wonder how it would be to handle stepping and unstepping the mast with a boat that I trail. Had a roller on my 28'Cape Dory long ago and they are nice!
Regards, Tom B
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Robbin,
I went to roller furling on my M17 years ago and never regretted it, and I race all the time. The secret is a luff pad (from Elliot-Pattison) on the genoa that allows the sail to retain shape when partially rolled.
I saw that Deale was featured in the Real Estate section of the Washington Post yesterday. Do you live in Deale?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Robbin Roddewig < robbin.roddewig@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi Bruce, I had been using hank on for years on my M-23 and recently put a new set of sails on and upgraded to roller furling after an instructor that did lessons on our boat for my wife and I said that roller furling would be a big improvement in safety. My 23 has narrow side decks (as all do I think) and no life lines. So going forward was a challenge and I figured if I lost some racing performance with the furler sail it would not hurt me too much! Although crewing on other boats I see quite a few racing boats (including the Bennateau I am on) that have furlers. What I have found is that since I dock the boat I only have to deal with the extra hardware (or the riggers do) twice a year and it makes going sailing much faster. I am out on the water quicker without having to mess with the head sail and having a beverage faster at the dock when coming back in. You just pull on lines to unfurl and furl and reducing sail is a breeze (pun unintended).
So I have been very happy with the roller furler. Your mileage may vary.
Thanks Robbin M-23 "Pinch Me" out of Deale MD
On 9/14/2014 12:58 AM, Bruce Ward wrote:
anyone have a comment on their experience with roller furling on their M23? my Ole'Body does not work so well with going forward single handed to hank on a smaller jib when the wind pipes up. I'd appreciate hearing here or off list . Thanks,
Sent from my iPad
Since I use the A-frame I guess I could leave the jib on the furler. Just never tried it. The frame is really easy to set up, and takes care of the side-to-side stability. It also makes it an easy single-handed job. I use the jib winch to crank up the lifting tackle, so the added weight shouldn't be an issue. Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Monday, September 15, 2014, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
Tom (and Rick),
Sliding the mast base back to the step is facilitated by a height-adjustable roller attachment on the Idasailor rudder, which can be raised high enough so the tackle and gin pole alone can raise the mast all the way up (without muscle power). I never remove the jib from the furler (unless it needs maintenance), and I leave all the standing rigging attached except the head stay/furler. To stabilize the mast side-to-side on the way up, my answer to the A-frame is a pair of ropes from the hand rails to the gin pole, anchored such that their tension remains constant as the mast rises.
I imagine I could still muscle the mast up without my rig and with the furler on, but it isn’t safe without a second person to keep the rigging from snagging on something. Sometimes a second person is not available, and even with two people it is still easier and safer (for you and the boat) to raise the mast slowly and carefully. And the day eventually arrives for everyone when brute strength will not be available.
By the way, I suppose everyone knows that it is wise to sew a substantial strip of sunbrella on the jib leech to avoid sun damage to the sail when it is rolled up.
Tom J., M17 Scintilla
On Sep 14, 2014, at 4:28 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Hi Tom, I think I can picture what you do, just to be clear, when you start out the mast foot is resting on the bow pulpit and you walk the mast back to be able to thru bolt the bottom of the mast to the deck tabernacle. thanks for the information. Never did like shortening sail on that tiny pitching foredeck on my old 17. fair winds Tom B
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 1:31 PM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net <javascript:;>> wrote:
Tom,
We have a 17 with furler, and it works great. We raise the mast with a tackle attached to the bow pulpit and the unused jib halyard (ala CDI), with a gin pole added to redirect the effort. The furler and drum just slide along the deck to the stem fitting as the mast goes up. No deck ape required.
Tom J.
On Sep 14, 2014, at 8:55 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Hi Rick, Do you trailer your 17 or keep it at a dock? I have considered a roller on the jib on my 17 but wonder how it would be to handle stepping and unstepping the mast with a boat that I trail. Had a roller on my 28'Cape Dory long ago and they are nice!
Regards, Tom B
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Robbin,
I went to roller furling on my M17 years ago and never regretted it, and I race all the time. The secret is a luff pad (from Elliot-Pattison) on the genoa that allows the sail to retain shape when partially rolled.
I saw that Deale was featured in the Real Estate section of the Washington Post yesterday. Do you live in Deale?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Robbin Roddewig < robbin.roddewig@verizon.net <javascript:;>> wrote:
Hi Bruce, I had been using hank on for years on my M-23 and recently put a new set of sails on and upgraded to roller furling after an instructor that did lessons on our boat for my wife and I said that roller furling would be a big improvement in safety. My 23 has narrow side decks (as all do I think) and no life lines. So going forward was a challenge and I figured if I lost some racing performance with the furler sail it would not hurt me too much! Although crewing on other boats I see quite a few racing boats (including the Bennateau I am on) that have furlers. What I have found is that since I dock the boat I only have to deal with the extra hardware (or the riggers do) twice a year and it makes going sailing much faster. I am out on the water quicker without having to mess with the head sail and having a beverage faster at the dock when coming back in. You just pull on lines to unfurl and furl and reducing sail is a breeze (pun unintended).
So I have been very happy with the roller furler. Your mileage may vary.
Thanks Robbin M-23 "Pinch Me" out of Deale MD
On 9/14/2014 12:58 AM, Bruce Ward wrote:
> anyone have a comment on their experience with roller furling on their > M23? my Ole'Body does not work so well with going forward single handed > to hank on a smaller jib when the wind pipes up. I'd appreciate hearing > here or off list . Thanks, > > Sent from my iPad > >
Hi Tom, I keep my M17 on a trailer at the marina, so I don't often raise or lower the mast. The furler foil does add weight to the rig, and I found it harder to handle when just muscling the mast up and down. I also take the jib off when raiding and lowering the mast, which is a minor pain with a CDI furler. I now use an A-frame for raising and lowering, so the added weight of the foil isn't really an issue any more. The safety and convenience of a furler when sailing far outweigh any minor inconveniences on the trailer. Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Sunday, September 14, 2014, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Rick, Do you trailer your 17 or keep it at a dock? I have considered a roller on the jib on my 17 but wonder how it would be to handle stepping and unstepping the mast with a boat that I trail. Had a roller on my 28'Cape Dory long ago and they are nice!
Regards, Tom B
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Robbin,
I went to roller furling on my M17 years ago and never regretted it, and I race all the time. The secret is a luff pad (from Elliot-Pattison) on the genoa that allows the sail to retain shape when partially rolled.
I saw that Deale was featured in the Real Estate section of the Washington Post yesterday. Do you live in Deale?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Robbin Roddewig < robbin.roddewig@verizon.net <javascript:;>> wrote:
Hi Bruce, I had been using hank on for years on my M-23 and recently put a new set of sails on and upgraded to roller furling after an instructor that did lessons on our boat for my wife and I said that roller furling would be a big improvement in safety. My 23 has narrow side decks (as all do I think) and no life lines. So going forward was a challenge and I figured if I lost some racing performance with the furler sail it would not hurt me too much! Although crewing on other boats I see quite a few racing boats (including the Bennateau I am on) that have furlers. What I have found is that since I dock the boat I only have to deal with the extra hardware (or the riggers do) twice a year and it makes going sailing much faster. I am out on the water quicker without having to mess with the head sail and having a beverage faster at the dock when coming back in. You just pull on lines to unfurl and furl and reducing sail is a breeze (pun unintended).
So I have been very happy with the roller furler. Your mileage may vary.
Thanks Robbin M-23 "Pinch Me" out of Deale MD
On 9/14/2014 12:58 AM, Bruce Ward wrote:
anyone have a comment on their experience with roller furling on their M23? my Ole'Body does not work so well with going forward single handed to hank on a smaller jib when the wind pipes up. I'd appreciate hearing here or off list . Thanks,
Sent from my iPad
Hello Rick, I didn't pay too much attention to the A-frame rigs that showed up on this site last year since I have always just raised the M17 mast using muscle power but now that I am seriously considering getting a roller furler on the forestay I think some sort of A frame would be worth installing. Care to have a try at explaining how your's is set up? Another fellow named Tom on this site used a couple of ropes but I am not able to picture doing that. His idea sounds good though. Appreciate the help. Just had my centerboard sand blasted this morning. I thought I had it clean enough and I just had the blasting done to see how much more would come off the board. Wow! It was clean as a whistle and uniform gray. Never saw cast iron look that way. Then, of course, I dashed home to seal the board with some Interlux 2000. My present hobby is fixing up an old sail boat. Soon my hobby will be sailing an old sailboat.[?] Tom B On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 6:54 PM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tom,
I keep my M17 on a trailer at the marina, so I don't often raise or lower the mast. The furler foil does add weight to the rig, and I found it harder to handle when just muscling the mast up and down. I also take the jib off when raiding and lowering the mast, which is a minor pain with a CDI furler. I now use an A-frame for raising and lowering, so the added weight of the foil isn't really an issue any more. The safety and convenience of a furler when sailing far outweigh any minor inconveniences on the trailer.
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Sunday, September 14, 2014, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Rick, Do you trailer your 17 or keep it at a dock? I have considered a roller on the jib on my 17 but wonder how it would be to handle stepping and unstepping the mast with a boat that I trail. Had a roller on my 28'Cape Dory long ago and they are nice!
Regards, Tom B
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Robbin,
I went to roller furling on my M17 years ago and never regretted it, and I race all the time. The secret is a luff pad (from Elliot-Pattison) on the genoa that allows the sail to retain shape when partially rolled.
I saw that Deale was featured in the Real Estate section of the Washington Post yesterday. Do you live in Deale?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Robbin Roddewig < robbin.roddewig@verizon.net <javascript:;>> wrote:
Hi Bruce, I had been using hank on for years on my M-23 and recently put a new set of sails on and upgraded to roller furling after an instructor that did lessons on our boat for my wife and I said that roller furling would be a big improvement in safety. My 23 has narrow side decks (as all do I think) and no life lines. So going forward was a challenge and I figured if I lost some racing performance with the furler sail it would not hurt me too much! Although crewing on other boats I see quite a few racing boats (including the Bennateau I am on) that have furlers. What I have found is that since I dock the boat I only have to deal with the extra hardware (or the riggers do) twice a year and it makes going sailing much faster. I am out on the water quicker without having to mess with the head sail and having a beverage faster at the dock when coming back in. You just pull on lines to unfurl and furl and reducing sail is a breeze (pun unintended).
So I have been very happy with the roller furler. Your mileage may vary.
Thanks Robbin M-23 "Pinch Me" out of Deale MD
On 9/14/2014 12:58 AM, Bruce Ward wrote:
anyone have a comment on their experience with roller furling on their M23? my Ole'Body does not work so well with going forward single handed to hank on a smaller jib when the wind pipes up. I'd appreciate hearing here or off list . Thanks,
Sent from my iPad
Hi Tom, You can find everything you need to know about my A-frame at ezmastlift.com. I bought the heavy duty model, which is very reasonably priced. Each system is built to order, but it only takes a couple of days. The only minor challenge is finding, cutting, and threading the Intermediate Electrical Conduit (IEC), which I couldn't find in any retail outlet. If you decide to go that way I'll tell you how I did it. Once it's together, it works just like the site says. I'm very happy with it. Good luck, Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Monday, September 15, 2014, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com');>> wrote:
Hello Rick, I didn't pay too much attention to the A-frame rigs that showed up on this site last year since I have always just raised the M17 mast using muscle power but now that I am seriously considering getting a roller furler on the forestay I think some sort of A frame would be worth installing. Care to have a try at explaining how your's is set up? Another fellow named Tom on this site used a couple of ropes but I am not able to picture doing that. His idea sounds good though. Appreciate the help. Just had my centerboard sand blasted this morning. I thought I had it clean enough and I just had the blasting done to see how much more would come off the board. Wow! It was clean as a whistle and uniform gray. Never saw cast iron look that way. Then, of course, I dashed home to seal the board with some Interlux 2000. My present hobby is fixing up an old sail boat. Soon my hobby will be sailing an old sailboat.[?] Tom B
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 6:54 PM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tom,
I keep my M17 on a trailer at the marina, so I don't often raise or lower the mast. The furler foil does add weight to the rig, and I found it harder to handle when just muscling the mast up and down. I also take the jib off when raiding and lowering the mast, which is a minor pain with a CDI furler. I now use an A-frame for raising and lowering, so the added weight of the foil isn't really an issue any more. The safety and convenience of a furler when sailing far outweigh any minor inconveniences on the trailer.
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Sunday, September 14, 2014, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Rick, Do you trailer your 17 or keep it at a dock? I have considered a roller on the jib on my 17 but wonder how it would be to handle stepping and unstepping the mast with a boat that I trail. Had a roller on my 28'Cape Dory long ago and they are nice!
Regards, Tom B
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Robbin,
I went to roller furling on my M17 years ago and never regretted it, and I race all the time. The secret is a luff pad (from Elliot-Pattison) on the genoa that allows the sail to retain shape when partially rolled.
I saw that Deale was featured in the Real Estate section of the Washington Post yesterday. Do you live in Deale?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Robbin Roddewig < robbin.roddewig@verizon.net <javascript:;>> wrote:
Hi Bruce, I had been using hank on for years on my M-23 and recently put a new set of sails on and upgraded to roller furling after an instructor that did lessons on our boat for my wife and I said that roller furling would be a big improvement in safety. My 23 has narrow side decks (as all do I think) and no life lines. So going forward was a challenge and I figured if I lost some racing performance with the furler sail it would not hurt me too much! Although crewing on other boats I see quite a few racing boats (including the Bennateau I am on) that have furlers. What I have found is that since I dock the boat I only have to deal with the extra hardware (or the riggers do) twice a year and it makes going sailing much faster. I am out on the water quicker without having to mess with the head sail and having a beverage faster at the dock when coming back in. You just pull on lines to unfurl and furl and reducing sail is a breeze (pun unintended).
So I have been very happy with the roller furler. Your mileage may vary.
Thanks Robbin M-23 "Pinch Me" out of Deale MD
On 9/14/2014 12:58 AM, Bruce Ward wrote:
anyone have a comment on their experience with roller furling on their M23? my Ole'Body does not work so well with going forward single handed to hank on a smaller jib when the wind pipes up. I'd appreciate hearing here or off list . Thanks,
Sent from my iPad
thanks Rick, I have the concept now. Tom B On Mon, Sep 15, 2014 at 3:48 PM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tom,
You can find everything you need to know about my A-frame at ezmastlift.com. I bought the heavy duty model, which is very reasonably priced. Each system is built to order, but it only takes a couple of days. The only minor challenge is finding, cutting, and threading the Intermediate Electrical Conduit (IEC), which I couldn't find in any retail outlet. If you decide to go that way I'll tell you how I did it. Once it's together, it works just like the site says. I'm very happy with it.
Good luck,
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Monday, September 15, 2014, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com');>> wrote:
Hello Rick, I didn't pay too much attention to the A-frame rigs that showed up on this site last year since I have always just raised the M17 mast using muscle power but now that I am seriously considering getting a roller furler on the forestay I think some sort of A frame would be worth installing. Care to have a try at explaining how your's is set up? Another fellow named Tom on this site used a couple of ropes but I am not able to picture doing that. His idea sounds good though. Appreciate the help. Just had my centerboard sand blasted this morning. I thought I had it clean enough and I just had the blasting done to see how much more would come off the board. Wow! It was clean as a whistle and uniform gray. Never saw cast iron look that way. Then, of course, I dashed home to seal the board with some Interlux 2000. My present hobby is fixing up an old sail boat. Soon my hobby will be sailing an old sailboat.[?] Tom B
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 6:54 PM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Tom,
I keep my M17 on a trailer at the marina, so I don't often raise or lower the mast. The furler foil does add weight to the rig, and I found it harder to handle when just muscling the mast up and down. I also take the jib off when raiding and lowering the mast, which is a minor pain with a CDI furler. I now use an A-frame for raising and lowering, so the added weight of the foil isn't really an issue any more. The safety and convenience of a furler when sailing far outweigh any minor inconveniences on the trailer.
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Sunday, September 14, 2014, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi Rick, Do you trailer your 17 or keep it at a dock? I have considered a roller on the jib on my 17 but wonder how it would be to handle stepping and unstepping the mast with a boat that I trail. Had a roller on my 28'Cape Dory long ago and they are nice!
Regards, Tom B
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 7:55 AM, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com <javascript:;>> wrote:
Robbin,
I went to roller furling on my M17 years ago and never regretted it, and I race all the time. The secret is a luff pad (from Elliot-Pattison) on the genoa that allows the sail to retain shape when partially rolled.
I saw that Deale was featured in the Real Estate section of the Washington Post yesterday. Do you live in Deale?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Robbin Roddewig < robbin.roddewig@verizon.net <javascript:;>> wrote:
Hi Bruce, I had been using hank on for years on my M-23 and recently put a new set of sails on and upgraded to roller furling after an instructor that did lessons on our boat for my wife and I said that roller furling would be a big improvement in safety. My 23 has narrow side decks (as all do I think) and no life lines. So going forward was a challenge and I figured if I lost some racing performance with the furler sail it would not hurt me too much! Although crewing on other boats I see quite a few racing boats (including the Bennateau I am on) that have furlers. What I have found is that since I dock the boat I only have to deal with the extra hardware (or the riggers do) twice a year and it makes going sailing much faster. I am out on the water quicker without having to mess with the head sail and having a beverage faster at the dock when coming back in. You just pull on lines to unfurl and furl and reducing sail is a breeze (pun unintended).
So I have been very happy with the roller furler. Your mileage may vary.
Thanks Robbin M-23 "Pinch Me" out of Deale MD
On 9/14/2014 12:58 AM, Bruce Ward wrote:
> anyone have a comment on their experience with roller furling on their > M23? my Ole'Body does not work so well with going forward single handed > to hank on a smaller jib when the wind pipes up. I'd appreciate hearing > here or off list . Thanks, > > Sent from my iPad > >
Hi Rick, thanks, I will look into the pad. Just the boat gets to live in Deale MD. I am in Leesburg VA. Robbin On 9/14/2014 8:55 AM, Rick Davies wrote:
Robbin,
I went to roller furling on my M17 years ago and never regretted it, and I race all the time. The secret is a luff pad (from Elliot-Pattison) on the genoa that allows the sail to retain shape when partially rolled.
I saw that Deale was featured in the Real Estate section of the Washington Post yesterday. Do you live in Deale?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Robbin Roddewig < robbin.roddewig@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi Bruce, I had been using hank on for years on my M-23 and recently put a new set of sails on and upgraded to roller furling after an instructor that did lessons on our boat for my wife and I said that roller furling would be a big improvement in safety. My 23 has narrow side decks (as all do I think) and no life lines. So going forward was a challenge and I figured if I lost some racing performance with the furler sail it would not hurt me too much! Although crewing on other boats I see quite a few racing boats (including the Bennateau I am on) that have furlers. What I have found is that since I dock the boat I only have to deal with the extra hardware (or the riggers do) twice a year and it makes going sailing much faster. I am out on the water quicker without having to mess with the head sail and having a beverage faster at the dock when coming back in. You just pull on lines to unfurl and furl and reducing sail is a breeze (pun unintended).
So I have been very happy with the roller furler. Your mileage may vary.
Thanks Robbin M-23 "Pinch Me" out of Deale MD
On 9/14/2014 12:58 AM, Bruce Ward wrote:
anyone have a comment on their experience with roller furling on their M23? my Ole'Body does not work so well with going forward single handed to hank on a smaller jib when the wind pipes up. I'd appreciate hearing here or off list . Thanks,
Sent from my iPad
Right across the river from my place in Darnestown, MD. Rick On Sunday, September 14, 2014, Robbin Roddewig <robbin.roddewig@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi Rick, thanks, I will look into the pad. Just the boat gets to live in Deale MD. I am in Leesburg VA.
Robbin
On 9/14/2014 8:55 AM, Rick Davies wrote:
Robbin,
I went to roller furling on my M17 years ago and never regretted it, and I race all the time. The secret is a luff pad (from Elliot-Pattison) on the genoa that allows the sail to retain shape when partially rolled.
I saw that Deale was featured in the Real Estate section of the Washington Post yesterday. Do you live in Deale?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Sun, Sep 14, 2014 at 8:41 AM, Robbin Roddewig < robbin.roddewig@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi Bruce,
I had been using hank on for years on my M-23 and recently put a new set of sails on and upgraded to roller furling after an instructor that did lessons on our boat for my wife and I said that roller furling would be a big improvement in safety. My 23 has narrow side decks (as all do I think) and no life lines. So going forward was a challenge and I figured if I lost some racing performance with the furler sail it would not hurt me too much! Although crewing on other boats I see quite a few racing boats (including the Bennateau I am on) that have furlers. What I have found is that since I dock the boat I only have to deal with the extra hardware (or the riggers do) twice a year and it makes going sailing much faster. I am out on the water quicker without having to mess with the head sail and having a beverage faster at the dock when coming back in. You just pull on lines to unfurl and furl and reducing sail is a breeze (pun unintended).
So I have been very happy with the roller furler. Your mileage may vary.
Thanks Robbin M-23 "Pinch Me" out of Deale MD
On 9/14/2014 12:58 AM, Bruce Ward wrote:
anyone have a comment on their experience with roller furling on their
M23? my Ole'Body does not work so well with going forward single handed to hank on a smaller jib when the wind pipes up. I'd appreciate hearing here or off list . Thanks,
Sent from my iPad
Bruce I would not have been able to sail my Person 23 without a roller Furler. I had a continuous line Furler on it but had a Single line Furler on my WWP15 both did the job. Presently have a hank on Jib for my M15. Go for it you will love it. George Merry Helen II 96 M15 602 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Bruce Ward Sent: Saturday, September 13, 2014 11:58 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Roller furling on an M23 anyone have a comment on their experience with roller furling on their M23? my Ole'Body does not work so well with going forward single handed to hank on a smaller jib when the wind pipes up. I'd appreciate hearing here or off list . Thanks, Sent from my iPad
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