I got a new Honda 2HP with the M17 - is the 2HP sufficient? I had a 4 before and it was fine. Thanks for any info. jay
Hi all, I have been working on some large patches (6"x 12") on both sides of the stern of my M-17 that I am trying to have ready for sailing over Thanksgiving. I had some blisters that had cracked that were there from shrink wrap holding water in. I ground down the gel coat, and sealed with west system epoxy. I tried one application of Evercoat gelcoat paste tinted white but it came out blue. The jar of paste is old and I guess it turned. No matter how much tint I put in, blue blue blue. Ground off the blue and tried a fresh batch of Evercoat. The color is okay but the finish is very uneven, even after sanding. Most trouble some, the new coat is not hiding the black hull underneath. I looked online for advice and found some gel coat mix and small sprayers. I am about to try this route and hope 5-6 coats covers. Any advice? Thanks Robbin M-17 hull #601, Miss Take
You might review the literature on the West System site: http://www.westsystem.com/ Go to "Boat Repair and Restoration" and look for the link for "Polyester over epoxy". Generally not compatible and not a good idea. Better to sand, prime and paint repairs over epoxy. I've done gelcoat over epoxy on interior locations where the finish could be left rough, and it's held up. But paint would have worked just as well. In fact, it did. To get the match right, figure on painting the entire transom. Breaking it at the corners will look better if the paint isn't a perfect match. Lastly, be advised that oil based paints (things like Brightside....an alkyd even if it says polyester on the label....look at the ingredients) are not compatible with epoxy either. Better to use two part LPU paints for long term repairs. More expensive, but in the long run, worth it. And DO NOT try to spray LPU's. Roll and tip. 2 or 3 coats. System 3 does make a water based LP paint that I'm currently trying. It's claim to fame...aside from being a LP paint, is it can be sprayed wet on wet...2 or 3 coats without sanding. It looks to be pretty tough. I've had a test chip outside for a year now and it looks the same as when it went out. Howard On Oct 29, 2006, at 12:10 PM, Robbin Roddewig wrote:
Hi all, I have been working on some large patches (6"x 12") on both sides of the stern of my M-17 that I am trying to have ready for sailing over Thanksgiving. I had some blisters that had cracked that were there from shrink wrap holding water in. I ground down the gel coat, and sealed with west system epoxy. I tried one application of Evercoat gelcoat paste tinted white but it came out blue. The jar of paste is old and I guess it turned. No matter how much tint I put in, blue blue blue. Ground off the blue and tried a fresh batch of Evercoat. The color is okay but the finish is very uneven, even after sanding. Most trouble some, the new coat is not hiding the black hull underneath. I looked online for advice and found some gel coat mix and small sprayers. I am about to try this route and hope 5-6 coats covers. Any advice?
Thanks Robbin M-17 hull #601, Miss Take
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I'd like to hear how she works when motoring into a strong headwind. I know when I was motoring upstream and dead upwind between pilings under a bridge on the Piankatank River in about 25-30 kts (maybe more) Busca was barely crawling along at well below hull speed with the 5 hp. Tod M17 #408 BuscaBrisas -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com ] On Behalf Of Jay Townley Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 12:56 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Honda 2 HP for M17? I got a new Honda 2HP with the M17 - is the 2HP sufficient? I had a 4 before and it was fine. Thanks for any info. jay _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Thanks for the input! -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+jaytownley=alamedanet.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+jaytownley=alamedanet.net@mailman.xmission. com] On Behalf Of htmills@bright.net Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 10:11 AM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: RE: M_Boats: Honda 2 HP for M17? I'd like to hear how she works when motoring into a strong headwind. I know when I was motoring upstream and dead upwind between pilings under a bridge on the Piankatank River in about 25-30 kts (maybe more) Busca was barely crawling along at well below hull speed with the 5 hp. Tod M17 #408 BuscaBrisas -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com ] On Behalf Of Jay Townley Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 12:56 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Honda 2 HP for M17? I got a new Honda 2HP with the M17 - is the 2HP sufficient? I had a 4 before and it was fine. Thanks for any info. jay _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Jay, The question of the suitability of the Honda 2hp and the M-17 has been an off and on subject of this forum for a number of years. Many of us think it is too small for more "strenuous" situations, others feel it is good for most situations. I posted the following back in 2005 and have yet to have an experience when the little Honda was not able to do the job. Bill Sylvester M-17 #279 Endelig m:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com 15 September 2005 • 9:37AM +0800 Re: M_Boats: Tiny Honda Vs. M-17 by gmhyde1 Reply to author Reply to group Theoretical hull speed for a displacement hull is 1.34 * square root of waterline length, which, for the M17 is 1.34* sq rt (15.833') = 5.33 knots. Having said this, I plan to try my Honda 2 on my M17 when I get it. --Gary Hyde N24 'Sailabration' M17 #637 'Hydeaway2' M15 #235 'Vanilla' On Sep 14, 2005, at 1:33 PM, William Sylvester wrote:
I have been wanting to give my opinion of the Honda, long shaft, 4 stroke, 2hp, pushing an M-17 since the discussion on outboards last year. I was pretty well convinced that I had made a mistake using this setup. I liked the idea of a light motor, quiet, air cooled, and economical on gas. I also liked how it fit neatly into the stock cutout in the transom. It does not take up any room in the cockpit at all. Even though we have taken many trips with the tiny motor, we have never had to give it any test of pushing power. Yesterday we took a nice sail on a local lake. The wind was about 5 to 8 kts and we had a great morning and sailed downwind the five or so miles to the end of the lake and had lunch. After lunch we started back and the wind picked up to 20+ kts (as measured by my hand held gauge) lots of whitecaps and an exciting sail. After a couple of tacks, we decided progress was too slow and we would motor back to the launch ramp. As I went to start the little motor, I could hear you guys whispering in my ear. "Bill, you should have got the 4hp." We pointed into the wind with the motor at a fast idle and lowered and secured the flapping sails. We headed straight into the wind and chop and I sweated as moved the throttle to "slow" (just below the start mark). I watched the GPS for our overground speed and in a couple of minutes it was reading 4.5mph. I left the throttle on slow and we maintained that speed for the 4 miles+ back to the ramp. Comfortable and relatively dry trip. Used about a cup of gas. I am becoming more confident of this tiny motor. I know it won't fight the tides in the San Juans, but it will easily push the boat at hull speed, and with any luck we would make it.
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Good information! -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+jaytownley=alamedanet.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+jaytownley=alamedanet.net@mailman.xmission. com] On Behalf Of William Sylvester Sent: Sunday, October 29, 2006 12:39 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Honda 2 HP for M17? Jay, The question of the suitability of the Honda 2hp and the M-17 has been an off and on subject of this forum for a number of years. Many of us think it is too small for more "strenuous" situations, others feel it is good for most situations. I posted the following back in 2005 and have yet to have an experience when the little Honda was not able to do the job. Bill Sylvester M-17 #279 Endelig m:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com 15 September 2005 . 9:37AM +0800 Re: M_Boats: Tiny Honda Vs. M-17 by gmhyde1 Reply to author Reply to group Theoretical hull speed for a displacement hull is 1.34 * square root of waterline length, which, for the M17 is 1.34* sq rt (15.833') = 5.33 knots. Having said this, I plan to try my Honda 2 on my M17 when I get it. --Gary Hyde N24 'Sailabration' M17 #637 'Hydeaway2' M15 #235 'Vanilla' On Sep 14, 2005, at 1:33 PM, William Sylvester wrote:
I have been wanting to give my opinion of the Honda, long shaft, 4 stroke, 2hp, pushing an M-17 since the discussion on outboards last year. I was pretty well convinced that I had made a mistake using this setup. I liked the idea of a light motor, quiet, air cooled, and economical on gas. I also liked how it fit neatly into the stock cutout in the transom. It does not take up any room in the cockpit at all. Even though we have taken many trips with the tiny motor, we have never had to give it any test of pushing power. Yesterday we took a nice sail on a local lake. The wind was about 5 to 8 kts and we had a great morning and sailed downwind the five or so miles to the end of the lake and had lunch. After lunch we started back and the wind picked up to 20+ kts (as measured by my hand held gauge) lots of whitecaps and an exciting sail. After a couple of tacks, we decided progress was too slow and we would motor back to the launch ramp. As I went to start the little motor, I could hear you guys whispering in my ear. "Bill, you should have got the 4hp." We pointed into the wind with the motor at a fast idle and lowered and secured the flapping sails. We headed straight into the wind and chop and I sweated as moved the throttle to "slow" (just below the start mark). I watched the GPS for our overground speed and in a couple of minutes it was reading 4.5mph. I left the throttle on slow and we maintained that speed for the 4 miles+ back to the ramp. Comfortable and relatively dry trip. Used about a cup of gas. I am becoming more confident of this tiny motor. I know it won't fight the tides in the San Juans, but it will easily push the boat at hull speed, and with any luck we would make it.
Bill and Darcy Sylvester M-17, #279 Endelig
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I think the 2 hp would be ok in areas with little or no current and certainly to get away from the dock. But I changed to a 4 hp for cruising in the San Juan Islands and the currents involved there, and I'm glad I did. I get about the same fuel economy most of the time cruising at around 4-4.5 knots. --Gary Hyde Pullman, WA gmhyde1@mac.com M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails. On Oct 29, 2006, at 9:56 AM, Jay Townley wrote:
I got a new Honda 2HP with the M17 - is the 2HP sufficient? I had a 4 before and it was fine. Thanks for any info. jay
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Good idea - will look into this!!
I think the 2 hp would be ok in areas with little or no current and certainly to get away from the dock. But I changed to a 4 hp for cruising in the San Juan Islands and the currents involved there, and I'm glad I did. I get about the same fuel economy most of the time cruising at around 4-4.5 knots. --Gary Hyde Pullman, WA gmhyde1@mac.com M17 sailboat #637 'Hydeaway 2' We can't change the wind, but we can trim our sails.
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I got a new Honda 2HP with the M17 - is the 2HP sufficient? I had a 4 before and it was fine. Thanks for any info. jay
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