Two liter soda bottles with the caps screwed on tightly. Reduce/Reuse/Recycle. (pretty durable too - they do well in abrasive situations). Not a recommendation to provide LIFE or Property saving methods, always wear safety googles , a proper respirator, steel toe shoes - your actual mileage may vary - Any idiot with a computer and internet access can and will proclaim expert status - I ain't one. Lurker
I seem to remember some discussion of flotation for an M17 a few years ago, with the conclusion being that there isn't enough room even if you filled all the storage areas to float the boat. At a certain combination of displacement and volume, you're out of luck. By the way, has anyone ever experience or known of swamping an M17? Or an M15 for that matter? Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:34 PM, <GILASAILR@aol.com> wrote:
Two liter soda bottles with the caps screwed on tightly. Reduce/Reuse/Recycle. (pretty durable too - they do well in abrasive situations).
Not a recommendation to provide LIFE or Property saving methods, always wear safety googles , a proper respirator, steel toe shoes - your actual mileage may vary - Any idiot with a computer and internet access can and will proclaim expert status - I ain't one.
Lurker
i believe i read about a M15 that was swamped and was subsequently sold. the seller told the purchaser that 'the kids' went out and swamped the boat. she floated and got the kids home. i have no memory of an M17 being swamped ... but with the number of boats out there i'm sure there is a story to tell. i know a handful of M15 and M17 owners that have experienced a knockdown and/or being pooped. in all cases the boats drained the water from the cockpit and self righted. some had a good amount of water in the cabin because the drop in hatch boards were not in place. an M15 and M17 experienced knock downs and water in the cockpit/cabin during HPCC 2012. jerry and lyle knew what they were doing when they designed these boats. they round up and self right like keel boats. :: Dave Scobie :: Sage Marine --- On Wed, 2/29/12, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
By the way, has anyone ever experience or known of swamping an M17? Or an M15 for that matter?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
We were on a downwind racing leg once with full main and 135% genoa when a squall kicked up, and we finally broached in a big gust (measured by a nearby boat at around 40 kt.). We took in only about a gallon or two of water into the cockpit as the boat rounded up, took a partial furl in the genoa and were on our way again. WIt was my first season with the M17, and I was really impressed. You're right that the designers knew what they were doing! Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 9:57 AM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
i believe i read about a M15 that was swamped and was subsequently sold. the seller told the purchaser that 'the kids' went out and swamped the boat. she floated and got the kids home.
i have no memory of an M17 being swamped ... but with the number of boats out there i'm sure there is a story to tell.
i know a handful of M15 and M17 owners that have experienced a knockdown and/or being pooped. in all cases the boats drained the water from the cockpit and self righted. some had a good amount of water in the cabin because the drop in hatch boards were not in place. an M15 and M17 experienced knock downs and water in the cockpit/cabin during HPCC 2012.
jerry and lyle knew what they were doing when they designed these boats. they round up and self right like keel boats.
:: Dave Scobie :: Sage Marine
--- On Wed, 2/29/12, Rick Davies <jdavies104@gmail.com> wrote:
By the way, has anyone ever experience or known of swamping an M17? Or an M15 for that matter?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
Rick, I managed to turtle my Potter 14 with the centerboard up and the hatch open (as I recall, the wind clocked 90 degrees and went from about 2 knots to 30 knots in one second). I dove under to uncleat the sheets and turned her upright, but she gulped water to the gunnels as she came up. I suspect this kind of troublesome situation is highly unlikely in Montgomery designs that have ballast in a shallow, fixed keel. They seem ridiculously safe and forgiving, but you can't (alas) pull them up on a beach. Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla On Feb 29, 2012, at 5:37 AM, Rick Davies wrote:
I seem to remember some discussion of flotation for an M17 a few years ago, with the conclusion being that there isn't enough room even if you filled all the storage areas to float the boat. At a certain combination of displacement and volume, you're out of luck. By the way, has anyone ever experience or known of swamping an M17? Or an M15 for that matter?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:34 PM, <GILASAILR@aol.com> wrote:
Two liter soda bottles with the caps screwed on tightly. Reduce/Reuse/Recycle. (pretty durable too - they do well in abrasive situations).
Not a recommendation to provide LIFE or Property saving methods, always wear safety googles , a proper respirator, steel toe shoes - your actual mileage may vary - Any idiot with a computer and internet access can and will proclaim expert status - I ain't one.
Lurker
There was a story in Small Craft Advisor a couple of years ago about a turtled Potter 15, I think in San Francisco Bay. It floated completely upside down, and in trying to right it a couple of people came close to a bad end from the cold water, but in the end they succeeded. Maybe someone remembers the details better than I do. Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Wed, Feb 29, 2012 at 1:57 PM, Tom Jenkins <tjenk@gte.net> wrote:
Rick, I managed to turtle my Potter 14 with the centerboard up and the hatch open (as I recall, the wind clocked 90 degrees and went from about 2 knots to 30 knots in one second). I dove under to uncleat the sheets and turned her upright, but she gulped water to the gunnels as she came up. I suspect this kind of troublesome situation is highly unlikely in Montgomery designs that have ballast in a shallow, fixed keel. They seem ridiculously safe and forgiving, but you can't (alas) pull them up on a beach.
Tom Jenkins M17 Scintilla
On Feb 29, 2012, at 5:37 AM, Rick Davies wrote:
I seem to remember some discussion of flotation for an M17 a few years ago, with the conclusion being that there isn't enough room even if you filled all the storage areas to float the boat. At a certain combination of displacement and volume, you're out of luck. By the way, has anyone ever experience or known of swamping an M17? Or an M15 for that matter?
Rick M17 #633 Lynne L
On Tue, Feb 28, 2012 at 11:34 PM, <GILASAILR@aol.com> wrote:
Two liter soda bottles with the caps screwed on tightly. Reduce/Reuse/Recycle. (pretty durable too - they do well in abrasive situations).
Not a recommendation to provide LIFE or Property saving methods, always wear safety googles , a proper respirator, steel toe shoes - your actual mileage may vary - Any idiot with a computer and internet access can and will proclaim expert status - I ain't one.
Lurker
...just another example of drunken lurker posting. lol -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of GILASAILR@aol.com Sent: February 28, 2012 20:35 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Buoyancy Two liter soda bottles with the caps screwed on tightly. Reduce/Reuse/Recycle. (pretty durable too - they do well in abrasive situations). Not a recommendation to provide LIFE or Property saving methods, always wear safety googles , a proper respirator, steel toe shoes - your actual mileage may vary - Any idiot with a computer and internet access can and will proclaim expert status - I ain't one. Lurker ----- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2012.0.1913 / Virus Database: 2114/4840 - Release Date: 02/28/12
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