Early M17 Cast Iron Centerboard Question
I have a '74 M-17 with a cast iron swing keel. I have not seen much conversation about the early swing keel. Cranking the CB up and down I lost count at 120+ revolutions of the crank. This is a bear on the way back to the dock. Has anyone made any modifications to an early boat to make the process of cranking the CB up and down more efficient? Sailing the boat is a joy except for this chore.
I have a 75 with a winch in the cabin and I don't have any trouble at all. I like my heavy CB sorry you are having trouble. At your service Larry Pegg -----Original Message----- From: p. d. buharin <buharin@msn.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2010 12:40 pm Subject: M_Boats: Early M17 Cast Iron Centerboard Question I have a '74 M-17 with a cast iron swing keel. I have not seen much conversation about the early swing keel. Cranking the CB up and down I lost count at 120+ revolutions of the crank. This is a bear on the way back to the dock. Has anyone made any modifications to an early boat to make the process of cranking the CB up and down more efficient? Sailing the boat is a joy except for this chore. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!
I had the same problem with my cast iron keel. I solved the problem by removing the winch and having a machine shop re knurl the surface. It was slick as glass to start with. I also put on four turns of the lifting pennant. the combination of these two items fixed my problem. It now takes about five or six turns to get the keel up. I also had considered installing a winch from Catalina Direct. It uses a wire pennant, and a modified mechanism which raises or lowers the keel on a positive (live?) drum arrangement. Crank it one way and down you go, crank the other way and up it comes. Cost a few years ago was about $90 so I didn't do it. Leif Eriksson. M17 #734 "Corky" On Sep 29, 2010, at 12:40:38 PM, "p. d. buharin" <buharin@msn.com> wrote: From: "p. d. buharin" <buharin@msn.com> Subject: M_Boats: Early M17 Cast Iron Centerboard Question Date: September 29, 2010 12:40:38 PM EDT To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com I have a '74 M-17 with a cast iron swing keel. I have not seen much conversation about the early swing keel. Cranking the CB up and down I lost count at 120+ revolutions of the crank. This is a bear on the way back to the dock. Has anyone made any modifications to an early boat to make the process of cranking the CB up and down more efficient? Sailing the boat is a joy except for this chore. _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!
Is there any way you could put a bigger spool on your winch. That really sounds excessive , when I had a Venture 21 and McGregor 25 they only required about 30 rounds to raise the keel. Maybe you have a rubber pendent. Eldor M17 Motu iti -----Original Message----- From: p. d. buharin <buharin@msn.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Sep 29, 2010 11:40 am Subject: M_Boats: Early M17 Cast Iron Centerboard Question have a '74 M-17 with a cast iron swing keel. I have not seen uch conversation about the early swing keel. Cranking the CB up and own I lost count at 120+ revolutions of the crank. This is a bear on he way back to the dock. Has anyone made any modifications to an early boat to make the rocess of cranking the CB up and down more efficient? Sailing the oat is a joy except for this chore. ______________________________________________ ttp://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!
When you say your boat has a cast iron swing keel, do you mean the standard shoal draft keel, with a cast iron centerboard? Or does your boat have a true swing keel? My '76 has the combination shoal keel and cast iron centerboard. The centerboard is raised by wrapping the pennant around a sheet type winch mounted just inside the companionway. It only takes about 10 half rotations of the winch handle to bring it up all the way. I've never heard of a Monty with a true swing keel, but your description sounds like it may be. Larry Y. CornDog On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 9:40 AM, p. d. buharin <buharin@msn.com> wrote:
I have a '74 M-17 with a cast iron swing keel. I have not seen much conversation about the early swing keel. Cranking the CB up and down I lost count at 120+ revolutions of the crank. This is a bear on the way back to the dock.
Has anyone made any modifications to an early boat to make the process of cranking the CB up and down more efficient? Sailing the boat is a joy except for this chore.
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We only made about 12 with that keel it has a hand crank and a threaded rod driven through a trunion block. What are your concerns about it? Stan,paintboy --- On Wed, 9/29/10, Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com> wrote: From: Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Early M17 Cast Iron Centerboard Question To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 7:57 PM When you say your boat has a cast iron swing keel, do you mean the standard shoal draft keel, with a cast iron centerboard? Or does your boat have a true swing keel? My '76 has the combination shoal keel and cast iron centerboard. The centerboard is raised by wrapping the pennant around a sheet type winch mounted just inside the companionway. It only takes about 10 half rotations of the winch handle to bring it up all the way. I've never heard of a Monty with a true swing keel, but your description sounds like it may be. Larry Y. CornDog On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 9:40 AM, p. d. buharin <buharin@msn.com> wrote:
I have a '74 M-17 with a cast iron swing keel. I have not seen much conversation about the early swing keel. Cranking the CB up and down I lost count at 120+ revolutions of the crank. This is a bear on the way back to the dock.
Has anyone made any modifications to an early boat to make the process of cranking the CB up and down more efficient? Sailing the boat is a joy except for this chore.
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My boat, Hull #15 has the true cast iron swing keel with the trunnion lift mechanism. I purchased it last winter, I've been learning as I go. I had the mechanism exposed as much as I can without lifting the boat into the air. I greased the threaded rod underneath and the mating surfaces inside the cabin behind the crank. It ran well for a while but now, at the end of the season, the metal to metal sounds are returning which seem to originate at the bearing surface behind the crank. The last 20 or so cranks to pull the CB horizontal are a bear. I've broken the roll pin that fastens the crank to the end of the threaded a couple of times but not since I greased the threaded rod. The glass on the corner of the centerboard trunk has also cracked from the stress of cranking the mechanism. I'm not sure if wear on the pivot bolt is a concern but the neoprene gaskets could use refreshing. I'm hoping to paint the bottom in the spring. The will give me the opportunity to take a closer look at this and implement any improvements. As a newcomer, I really appreciate the forum.
Date: Wed, 29 Sep 2010 23:23:27 -0700 From: stanpfa@pacbell.net To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: Early M17 Cast Iron Centerboard Question
We only made about 12 with that keel it has a hand crank and a threaded rod driven through a trunnion block. What are your concerns about it? Stan,paintboy
--- On Wed, 9/29/10, Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com> wrote:
From: Larry Yake <larryyake@gmail.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Early M17 Cast Iron Centerboard Question To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Wednesday, September 29, 2010, 7:57 PM
When you say your boat has a cast iron swing keel, do you mean the standard shoal draft keel, with a cast iron centerboard? Or does your boat have a true swing keel? My '76 has the combination shoal keel and cast iron centerboard. The centerboard is raised by wrapping the pennant around a sheet type winch mounted just inside the companionway. It only takes about 10 half rotations of the winch handle to bring it up all the way. I've never heard of a Monty with a true swing keel, but your description sounds like it may be.
Larry Y. CornDog
On Wed, Sep 29, 2010 at 9:40 AM, p. d. buharin <buharin@msn.com> wrote:
I have a '74 M-17 with a cast iron swing keel. I have not seen much conversation about the early swing keel. Cranking the CB up and down I lost count at 120+ revolutions of the crank. This is a bear on the way back to the dock.
Has anyone made any modifications to an early boat to make the process of cranking the CB up and down more efficient? Sailing the boat is a joy except for this chore.
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