Hi, I have 2 replacement windows that came with my M17...looking for some expert advice on the proper steps to install to make sure I get a good fit/seal. Photos attached... Many thanks for your assistance. Becky Sent from my iPad
Hi Becky, I am in the process of scraping my stock aluminum framed windows and replacing them with lucite (plexiglas). There are good step by step articles on this at "Sailmagazine.com", and the MSOG website. Don Casey's book about boat repair is another source of good info and pictures. Read those articles a couple of times and you be successful. I did find in my searches that Dow Corning 795 Silicone Building Sealant is the most tenacious silicone you can use although it does not come in clear as far as I can tell. You may have to select a color that will compliment your finished color scheme with the boat, or you can go with white or black. If you google Dow 795 Silicone you will find out who in your area sells the stuff. One tube per window should leave some left over at the end of the job. I dropped the board on my M17 and do not remember anything stock in there that could do the damage your picture shows. Have a yard drop the board and go from there. Sanded all the lichens off my cabin sides today. It is already starting to look like a new boat. Very encouraging. Good luck with your reclamation. Fair winds, Tom B Mont.17, #258, 77' On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Becky Belding <becky@beckybelding.com>wrote:
Hi, I have 2 replacement windows that came with my M17...looking for some expert advice on the proper steps to install to make sure I get a good fit/seal. Photos attached... Many thanks for your assistance. Becky
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Thank you Tom! I will find the articles...really appreciate your help. Looks like the knot broke through centerboard trunk when winched up tight. Hope you get your looking like new boat in the water soon! Becky 1985 M17 "Grace" #393 Portland, OR -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 7:46 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Replace windows Hi Becky, I am in the process of scraping my stock aluminum framed windows and replacing them with lucite (plexiglas). There are good step by step articles on this at "Sailmagazine.com", and the MSOG website. Don Casey's book about boat repair is another source of good info and pictures. Read those articles a couple of times and you be successful. I did find in my searches that Dow Corning 795 Silicone Building Sealant is the most tenacious silicone you can use although it does not come in clear as far as I can tell. You may have to select a color that will compliment your finished color scheme with the boat, or you can go with white or black. If you google Dow 795 Silicone you will find out who in your area sells the stuff. One tube per window should leave some left over at the end of the job. I dropped the board on my M17 and do not remember anything stock in there that could do the damage your picture shows. Have a yard drop the board and go from there. Sanded all the lichens off my cabin sides today. It is already starting to look like a new boat. Very encouraging. Good luck with your reclamation. Fair winds, Tom B Mont.17, #258, 77' On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Becky Belding <becky@beckybelding.com>wrote:
Hi, I have 2 replacement windows that came with my M17...looking for some expert advice on the proper steps to install to make sure I get a good fit/seal. Photos attached... Many thanks for your assistance. Becky
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the window install isn't difficult. today (Friday 11 April '14) windows are being installed into a Sage 17. M17s with the 'new' deck mold have different windows than the 'old' deck mold. the install process Jerry developed for the 'new deck' M17s, the M15s and Sage 17s are the same. i'll photo the process and post details. give me a call and i'll also talk you, or anyone else, through the process. (800-621-1065) for the bedding compound use 3M marine silicone sealant (clear) or Boatlife Marine Silicone Rubber. something 'stronger bond' isn't needed as the bolts hold the window in place. the silicone acts as a gasket. silicone also doesn't yellow, will not chemically react with the window, and is flexible as the boat's deck (fiberglass/gelcoat) has different expansion/contraction qualities than the window material. :: Dave Scobie -------------------------------------------- On Thu, 4/10/14, Becky Belding <becky@beckybelding.com> wrote: Thank you Tom! I will find the articles...really appreciate your help. Looks like the knot broke through centerboard trunk when winched up tight. Hope you get your looking like new boat in the water soon! Becky 1985 M17 "Grace" #393 Portland, OR -----Original Message----- From: On Behalf Of Thomas Buzzi Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 7:46 PM Hi Becky, I am in the process of scraping my stock aluminum framed windows and replacing them with lucite (plexiglas). There are good step by step articles on this at "Sailmagazine.com", and the MSOG website. Don Casey's book about boat repair is another source of good info and pictures. Read those articles a couple of times and you be successful. I did find in my searches that Dow Corning 795 Silicone Building Sealant is the most tenacious silicone you can use although it does not come in clear as far as I can tell. You may have to select a color that will compliment your finished color scheme with the boat, or you can go with white or black. If you google Dow 795 Silicone you will find out who in your area sells the stuff. One tube per window should leave some left over at the end of the job. I dropped the board on my M17 and do not remember anything stock in there that could do the damage your picture shows. Have a yard drop the board and go from there. Sanded all the lichens off my cabin sides today. It is already starting to look like a new boat. Very encouraging. Good luck with your reclamation. Fair winds, Tom B Mont.17, #258, 77' On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Becky Belding <becky@beckybelding.com>wrote:
Hi, I have 2 replacement windows that came with my M17...looking for some expert advice on the proper steps to install to make sure I get a good fit/seal. Photos attached... Many thanks for your assistance. Becky
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here is a link that outlines how to remove old and install new windows on the 'new deck' M17s and M15s - http://www.sagemarine.us/forum/showthread.php?533 send an email, or give a call (see above link), if you have any questions. :: Dave Scobie On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 8:05 PM, Becky Belding <becky@beckybelding.com>wrote:
Hi, I have 2 replacement windows that came with my M17...looking for some expert advice on the proper steps to install to make sure I get a good fit/seal. Photos attached... Many thanks for your assistance. Becky
Becky I purchased some weather striping at the local hardware that hade adhesive on one side and trimmed to fit when I replaced the ports on my M15 last year and it worked fine for last season. Be sure not to compress totally when installing. George Merry Helen II 96 M15 #602 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Becky Belding Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 8:06 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Replace windows Hi, I have 2 replacement windows that came with my M17...looking for some expert advice on the proper steps to install to make sure I get a good fit/seal. Photos attached... Many thanks for your assistance. Becky
Thank you George... Was just reading: http://www.sagemarine.us/forum/showthread.php?533 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of George R. Iemmolo Sent: Friday, April 11, 2014 2:12 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: Re: M_Boats: Replace windows Becky I purchased some weather striping at the local hardware that hade adhesive on one side and trimmed to fit when I replaced the ports on my M15 last year and it worked fine for last season. Be sure not to compress totally when installing. George Merry Helen II 96 M15 #602 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Becky Belding Sent: Thursday, April 10, 2014 8:06 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Replace windows Hi, I have 2 replacement windows that came with my M17...looking for some expert advice on the proper steps to install to make sure I get a good fit/seal. Photos attached... Many thanks for your assistance. Becky
Hi M boaters, I had planned on letting the composite shop at the marina handle the wet core under my mast but they were not eager to work on it so I decided that today was a good day to make a hole in the deck. After taking off the hardware including the tabernacle and another compression board I jacked up the ceiling with a post and a floor jack. Then I opened up the deck with a roto zip and a lot of effort since nothing was delaminated. I had enough time to cut back to dry balsa on most all the sides. The balsa right by the holes for the hardware was black but mostly what I removed was wet. Once I get back and verify I have all the wet core out I will see about putting in some solid fibre board. The shop recommended bluewater 26. I was surprised that the bulkhead is not in contact with the ceiling so I guess the design was for the load path from the mast to tie into the bulkhead via the three boards on the end and the trim piece on the top of the bulkhead. It is easier to figure out the loads on an M-17 eh? I will keep the pictures coming as the project moves forward. Cheers Robbin
Good luck with that, Robbin. I spent yesterday lying on my back up in the v-berth of my M17, cutting away the headliner and scooping out some very soggy balsa. Got it all out and am letting the rest air dry. Found out that a "Multi-tool" with metal cutting blade is the cat's meow for slicing through both fiberglass and, or course, balsa. It makes a saw kerf about one sixteenth inch wide and is very easy to control. So with an old sweatshirt, a shop vac and goggles, respirator and headphones I got to know a little about the innards of my 17. Must be something wrong with me, I enjoyed it. Am looking for a 1/4 inch sheet of Airex to replace the balsa. It has favorable load carrying and impact resistance and is closed cell so will not soak up water. NOT that there will ever be any water in there again. Can't wait to splash my very yellow Montgomery 17. Fair winds, Tom B. M17 #258, 77' On Sun, Apr 13, 2014 at 7:16 PM, Robbin Roddewig < robbin.roddewig@verizon.net> wrote:
Hi M boaters, I had planned on letting the composite shop at the marina handle the wet core under my mast but they were not eager to work on it so I decided that today was a good day to make a hole in the deck. After taking off the hardware including the tabernacle and another compression board I jacked up the ceiling with a post and a floor jack. Then I opened up the deck with a roto zip and a lot of effort since nothing was delaminated. I had enough time to cut back to dry balsa on most all the sides. The balsa right by the holes for the hardware was black but mostly what I removed was wet. Once I get back and verify I have all the wet core out I will see about putting in some solid fibre board. The shop recommended bluewater 26. I was surprised that the bulkhead is not in contact with the ceiling so I guess the design was for the load path from the mast to tie into the bulkhead via the three boards on the end and the trim piece on the top of the bulkhead. It is easier to figure out the loads on an M-17 eh? I will keep the pictures coming as the project moves forward.
Cheers Robbin
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