Speaking quickly before Randy gets a chance to give the correct answer, I think it's a loop only in the sense that it's a single line. The downhaul end of the halyard connects to the second or so sail hank, and the shackle attaches to the head of the sail. My experience is I have to connect the downhaul at least two sailhanks down from the head of the sail to prevent fouling when pulling the sail down... t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle M17 #496 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+tsmith=nextit.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+tsmith=nextit.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rick Langer Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:36 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Poor man's roller furling... Hey Randy, I think that's a great idea. How do you attach the halyard shackle to the loop? Thanks, Rick M15 #337 Bluebird
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Brian,
Our 1988 M15 and M17 both came rigged with Jib halyards and downhauls lead back to the cockpit. On both boats I replaced the individual jib halyard and downhaul lines with a single line, in effect making a big loop of both lines . As you raise or lower the jib the single line feeds in-and-out of the cockpit, leaving nothing to coil or stow.
Randy M17 #410
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What size and type of line are you guys using for your downhauls? It doesn't take much strength to pull the sail down, but the one I used, which can be threaded up the hanks with the forestay, is too light. It is a light, flexible line of maybe 1/8". It fouls too easily. Maybe a Stayset in 3/16"? Howard On Jun 28, 2006, at 1:50 PM, Tom Smith wrote:
Speaking quickly before Randy gets a chance to give the correct answer, I think it's a loop only in the sense that it's a single line. The downhaul end of the halyard connects to the second or so sail hank, and the shackle attaches to the head of the sail. My experience is I have to connect the downhaul at least two sailhanks down from the head of the sail to prevent fouling when pulling the sail down... t
Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle M17 #496
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+tsmith=nextit.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats- bounces+tsmith=nextit.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rick Langer Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:36 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Poor man's roller furling...
Hey Randy,
I think that's a great idea. How do you attach the halyard shackle to the loop?
Thanks,
Rick M15 #337 Bluebird
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Brian,
Our 1988 M15 and M17 both came rigged with Jib halyards and downhauls lead back to the cockpit. On both boats I replaced the individual jib halyard and downhaul lines with a single line, in effect making a big loop of both lines . As you raise or lower the jib the single line feeds in-and-out of the cockpit, leaving nothing to coil or stow.
Randy M17 #410
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I had a similar downhaul on M15 Vanilla. I used small StaSet (5mm?) for halyard and downhaul, one piece. It worked very well. --Gary Hyde Pullman, WA gmhyde1@mac.com M17 #637 'Hydeaway 2' "...There's nothing quite like messing about in boats..." On Jun 28, 2006, at 11:52 AM, Howard Audsley wrote:
What size and type of line are you guys using for your downhauls?
It doesn't take much strength to pull the sail down, but the one I used, which can be threaded up the hanks with the forestay, is too light. It is a light, flexible line of maybe 1/8". It fouls too easily. Maybe a Stayset in 3/16"?
Howard
On Jun 28, 2006, at 1:50 PM, Tom Smith wrote:
Speaking quickly before Randy gets a chance to give the correct answer, I think it's a loop only in the sense that it's a single line. The downhaul end of the halyard connects to the second or so sail hank, and the shackle attaches to the head of the sail. My experience is I have to connect the downhaul at least two sailhanks down from the head of the sail to prevent fouling when pulling the sail down... t
Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle M17 #496
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+tsmith=nextit.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces +tsmith=nextit.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rick Langer Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:36 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Poor man's roller furling...
Hey Randy,
I think that's a great idea. How do you attach the halyard shackle to the loop?
Thanks,
Rick M15 #337 Bluebird
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 15:35:51 -0700 From: "RandyG" <RandyG@cite.nic.edu> Subject: RE: M_Boats: Poor man's roller furling... does it work? To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <8331CA150C5B404A9215D167DA103A4E013AE6@exch1.cite.nic.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Brian,
Our 1988 M15 and M17 both came rigged with Jib halyards and downhauls lead back to the cockpit. On both boats I replaced the individual jib halyard and downhaul lines with a single line, in effect making a big loop of both lines . As you raise or lower the jib the single line feeds in-and-out of the cockpit, leaving nothing to coil or stow.
Randy M17 #410
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I tie mine to the halyard, but when hanking on, I include it inside the top couple of hanks to prevent binding. Seems to work fine. The endless loop sounds like a good idea. I would guess that the weight increase from larger diameter for the downhaul would be mostly offset by the fact that there is less line required overall. Tod M17 #408 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com ] On Behalf Of Tom Smith Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 1:50 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: Poor man's roller furling... Speaking quickly before Randy gets a chance to give the correct answer, I think it's a loop only in the sense that it's a single line. The downhaul end of the halyard connects to the second or so sail hank, and the shackle attaches to the head of the sail. My experience is I have to connect the downhaul at least two sailhanks down from the head of the sail to prevent fouling when pulling the sail down... t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle M17 #496 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+tsmith=nextit.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+tsmith=nextit.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rick Langer Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:36 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Poor man's roller furling... Hey Randy, I think that's a great idea. How do you attach the halyard shackle to the loop? Thanks, Rick M15 #337 Bluebird
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Brian,
Our 1988 M15 and M17 both came rigged with Jib halyards and downhauls lead back to the cockpit. On both boats I replaced the individual jib halyard and downhaul lines with a single line, in effect making a big loop of both lines . As you raise or lower the jib the single line feeds in-and-out of the cockpit, leaving nothing to coil or stow.
Randy M17 #410
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Friends, In my case the jib halyward and downhaul line are literally a loop. The halyward attaches as normal and my downhaul is attached to the halyard shackle. With the sail raised the downhaul runs in front of and then along side the forestay. When trailering/raising/lowering the mast I keep the whole thing connected and just hang on the jib as normal. The only gotcha I have found so far is not to let the loop catch on the centerboard cleat when raising the mast. I have just enough of a look such that the line basically outlines the companion way. Our mainsail also has a halyward/downhaul loop, but does not lead back to the cockpit. Tom is right, with the mainsail I have to attach the downhaul a slug or 2 below the head, so as not to bind when pulling down. When pulling down the jib with moderate wind, the sail will fall/pull nicely to about 3 feet off the deck. At that point the hanks begin to bind and the jib shackle will travel past the top couple of hanks as I continue to pull down. So I am usually not able to get the jib 100% down. Tom, you make a good point about removing the core of the line for the downhaul portion. The line makes a lot of bends as it travels, I would think a splice in the line might work against you. Great ideas! Randy G. M17 #410 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+randyg=cite.nic.edu@mailman.xmission.com on behalf of Tom Smith Sent: Wed 6/28/2006 11:50 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: Poor man's roller furling... Speaking quickly before Randy gets a chance to give the correct answer, I think it's a loop only in the sense that it's a single line. The downhaul end of the halyard connects to the second or so sail hank, and the shackle attaches to the head of the sail. My experience is I have to connect the downhaul at least two sailhanks down from the head of the sail to prevent fouling when pulling the sail down... t Tom Smith & Jane Van Winkle M17 #496 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+tsmith=nextit.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+tsmith=nextit.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Rick Langer Sent: Wednesday, June 28, 2006 10:36 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Poor man's roller furling... Hey Randy, I think that's a great idea. How do you attach the halyard shackle to the loop? Thanks, Rick M15 #337 Bluebird
Date: Tue, 27 Jun 2006 15:35:51 -0700 From: "RandyG" <RandyG@cite.nic.edu> Subject: RE: M_Boats: Poor man's roller furling... does it work? To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Message-ID: <8331CA150C5B404A9215D167DA103A4E013AE6@exch1.cite.nic.edu> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
Brian,
Our 1988 M15 and M17 both came rigged with Jib halyards and downhauls lead back to the cockpit. On both boats I replaced the individual jib halyard and downhaul lines with a single line, in effect making a big loop of both lines . As you raise or lower the jib the single line feeds in-and-out of the cockpit, leaving nothing to coil or stow.
Randy M17 #410
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