M23 Still For Sale in AZ for $5800 or offer
Free Willy, Since your post was apparently directed in my direction....here's my reply. hmmmmm.....WOW! Wasn't really expecting a tongue lashing about Monty values when I posted that there was a 23 for sale in Tucson...but I guess since one salvo has been fired I'll throw a grenade in the mix. INCOMING!!!! :-) UH, I don't have a 17 for sale so I'm not sure where that last line was directed unless it was to the group as a whole, which I guess it was. Good luck on that. Along the line of some of the other posts, a boat, any boat, Montgomerys included, are worth exactly what a buyer is willing to pay for it and a seller is willing to sell it for, at the moment in time that the two come to a consensus. Period. Those books make good kindling to get a nice fire going so you can keep warm while you hash out the deal with the current owner. Unless of course, you're trying to finance your $2000.00 M17......in which case you have a whole other set of issues. M23's are not in "The Book" 'cause not enough of them were produced. There are probably numerous reasons that not as many 23's were built as the 17's....like the company closed it's doors and it cost a lot more. I'm pretty sure the fact that You don't like them was not a consideration, but thanks for the info. But if they were in THE BOOK, and you based your offer to me on a book price.......well, I guess you'd have a long drive home with an empty trailer hitch and I'd have a good belly laugh. I would agree that "not everyone wants a Montgomery" however.....oddly enough.....it sounds as though you do. You just want someone to give you one. When you find someone that has one that doesn't want it anymore maybe you will be able to negotiate a workable price for the two of you. Until then...... All I have to do is to look back at all the pictures of the friends we made on the San Juan Cruise to justify what we have all paid for our respective boats. Everyone is smiling in every picture. I think all those folks were just fine with what they paid. Priceless. Once you find a Monty and join the rest of us, I'll be very curious to hear your viewpoint on its value. And you are correct in the fact that the M-17 is a fantastic boat. I wouldn't mind having another one. Once you get one all that bitterness will melt away and you can join us all in Monty ZEN. As for your tactic of chat room lecturing and bashing Montgomery owners and their boats on the web-site dedicated for use by Montgomery owners who love the boat (while trying to find one of those owners to sell you their boat).......well....whatever. That's kinda weird and I hardly think it's going to produce the results you are looking for, but hey, guess you have to turn over every rock. While you are out looking for Montgomery 17 for $999.00 (cause the 23's were never popular anyway)........I think I'll go out sailing. guess I now understand why your scree-name is FREE willy. No hard feelings...go find your Monty and lets go for a sail. That, after all, is what its all about! To the group: Sorry.....had to reply to that even though I know it's gonna perpetuate a discussion that no-one even feels like wasting their time to argue. I've stated my feelings and won't respond any further on this issue. Thanks Sean M23 Dauntless ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Sean, I have always been a fan... you are a pretty eloquent guy for a fireman!!! Jeff M17 #336 Nebwest2@aol.com wrote: Free Willy, Since your post was apparently directed in my direction....here's my reply. hmmmmm.....WOW! Wasn't really expecting a tongue lashing about Monty values when I posted that there was a 23 for sale in Tucson...but I guess since one salvo has been fired I'll throw a grenade in the mix. INCOMING!!!! :-) UH, I don't have a 17 for sale so I'm not sure where that last line was directed unless it was to the group as a whole, which I guess it was. Good luck on that. Along the line of some of the other posts, a boat, any boat, Montgomerys included, are worth exactly what a buyer is willing to pay for it and a seller is willing to sell it for, at the moment in time that the two come to a consensus. Period. Those books make good kindling to get a nice fire going so you can keep warm while you hash out the deal with the current owner. Unless of course, you're trying to finance your $2000.00 M17......in which case you have a whole other set of issues. M23's are not in "The Book" 'cause not enough of them were produced. There are probably numerous reasons that not as many 23's were built as the 17's....like the company closed it's doors and it cost a lot more. I'm pretty sure the fact that You don't like them was not a consideration, but thanks for the info. But if they were in THE BOOK, and you based your offer to me on a book price.......well, I guess you'd have a long drive home with an empty trailer hitch and I'd have a good belly laugh. I would agree that "not everyone wants a Montgomery" however.....oddly enough.....it sounds as though you do. You just want someone to give you one. When you find someone that has one that doesn't want it anymore maybe you will be able to negotiate a workable price for the two of you. Until then...... All I have to do is to look back at all the pictures of the friends we made on the San Juan Cruise to justify what we have all paid for our respective boats. Everyone is smiling in every picture. I think all those folks were just fine with what they paid. Priceless. Once you find a Monty and join the rest of us, I'll be very curious to hear your viewpoint on its value. And you are correct in the fact that the M-17 is a fantastic boat. I wouldn't mind having another one. Once you get one all that bitterness will melt away and you can join us all in Monty ZEN. As for your tactic of chat room lecturing and bashing Montgomery owners and their boats on the web-site dedicated for use by Montgomery owners who love the boat (while trying to find one of those owners to sell you their boat).......well....whatever. That's kinda weird and I hardly think it's going to produce the results you are looking for, but hey, guess you have to turn over every rock. While you are out looking for Montgomery 17 for $999.00 (cause the 23's were never popular anyway)........I think I'll go out sailing. guess I now understand why your scree-name is FREE willy. No hard feelings...go find your Monty and lets go for a sail. That, after all, is what its all about! To the group: Sorry.....had to reply to that even though I know it's gonna perpetuate a discussion that no-one even feels like wasting their time to argue. I've stated my feelings and won't respond any further on this issue. Thanks Sean M23 Dauntless ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Is not a nice to put somone else property down in order to buy it cheap. Is not polite. If your offer was not accepted, move on but don't play that cheap strategy. Only ignorants play that game or are fooled by it. You should try the catalinas, hunters or another boat that is in your price range. Orlando Velez M15 Nebwest2@aol.com wrote: Free Willy, Since your post was apparently directed in my direction....here's my reply. hmmmmm.....WOW! Wasn't really expecting a tongue lashing about Monty values when I posted that there was a 23 for sale in Tucson...but I guess since one salvo has been fired I'll throw a grenade in the mix. INCOMING!!!! :-) UH, I don't have a 17 for sale so I'm not sure where that last line was directed unless it was to the group as a whole, which I guess it was. Good luck on that. Along the line of some of the other posts, a boat, any boat, Montgomerys included, are worth exactly what a buyer is willing to pay for it and a seller is willing to sell it for, at the moment in time that the two come to a consensus. Period. Those books make good kindling to get a nice fire going so you can keep warm while you hash out the deal with the current owner. Unless of course, you're trying to finance your $2000.00 M17......in which case you have a whole other set of issues. M23's are not in "The Book" 'cause not enough of them were produced. There are probably numerous reasons that not as many 23's were built as the 17's....like the company closed it's doors and it cost a lot more. I'm pretty sure the fact that You don't like them was not a consideration, but thanks for the info. But if they were in THE BOOK, and you based your offer to me on a book price.......well, I guess you'd have a long drive home with an empty trailer hitch and I'd have a good belly laugh. I would agree that "not everyone wants a Montgomery" however.....oddly enough.....it sounds as though you do. You just want someone to give you one. When you find someone that has one that doesn't want it anymore maybe you will be able to negotiate a workable price for the two of you. Until then...... All I have to do is to look back at all the pictures of the friends we made on the San Juan Cruise to justify what we have all paid for our respective boats. Everyone is smiling in every picture. I think all those folks were just fine with what they paid. Priceless. Once you find a Monty and join the rest of us, I'll be very curious to hear your viewpoint on its value. And you are correct in the fact that the M-17 is a fantastic boat. I wouldn't mind having another one. Once you get one all that bitterness will melt away and you can join us all in Monty ZEN. As for your tactic of chat room lecturing and bashing Montgomery owners and their boats on the web-site dedicated for use by Montgomery owners who love the boat (while trying to find one of those owners to sell you their boat).......well....whatever. That's kinda weird and I hardly think it's going to produce the results you are looking for, but hey, guess you have to turn over every rock. While you are out looking for Montgomery 17 for $999.00 (cause the 23's were never popular anyway)........I think I'll go out sailing. guess I now understand why your scree-name is FREE willy. No hard feelings...go find your Monty and lets go for a sail. That, after all, is what its all about! To the group: Sorry.....had to reply to that even though I know it's gonna perpetuate a discussion that no-one even feels like wasting their time to argue. I've stated my feelings and won't respond any further on this issue. Thanks Sean M23 Dauntless ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
I buy what pleases me. Anything that I want is usually owned or controlled by someone else, so it's in my best interest to negotiate. I'm going to make the best deal I can in a businesslike way--buying or selling. You only cheat yourself if you don't (or can't) negotiate. People have their own notion about what words mean, but have emotional baggage attached. I think most people view being cheap as a pejorative. Cheap somehow involves taking advantage of someone else. Being both frugal and thrifty are more positively viewed. Cheap is it隆炉s own separate territory, and there隆炉s no reason ever to be cheap. I also think you can be thrifty without being frugal. I value both thriftiness and frugality, but I hold thriftiness in higher esteem. Thriftiness means saving money and being environmentally conscience without having to make too much of sacrifice. It means being smart and efficient. I隆炉m always happy with myself when I隆炉ve acted in thrifty manner. When I隆炉m frugal, I隆炉ve denied myself something. Now, how about that group hug? Cheers!
Date: Mon, 24 Sep 2007 14:48:04 -0700> From: velezo@verizon.net> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23 Still For Sale in AZ for $5800 or offer> > Is not a nice to put somone else property down in order to buy it cheap. Is not polite. If your offer was not accepted, move on but don't play that cheap strategy. Only ignorants play that game or are fooled by it. You should try the catalinas, hunters or another boat that is in your price range.> > Orlando Velez> M15> > > Nebwest2@aol.com wrote:> Free Willy,> > Since your post was apparently directed in my direction....here's my reply.> > hmmmmm.....WOW! Wasn't really expecting a tongue lashing about Monty values > when I posted that there was a 23 for sale in Tucson...but I guess since one > salvo has been fired I'll throw a grenade in the mix. INCOMING!!!! :-)> > UH, I don't have a 17 for sale so I'm not sure where that last line was > directed unless it was to the group as a whole, which I guess it was. Good luck > on that.> > Along the line of some of the other posts, a boat, any boat, Montgomerys > included, are worth exactly what a buyer is willing to pay for it and a seller > is willing to sell it for, at the moment in time that the two come to a > consensus. Period. Those books make good kindling to get a nice fire going so you > can keep warm while you hash out the deal with the current owner. Unless of > course, you're trying to finance your $2000.00 M17......in which case you have a > whole other set of issues.> > M23's are not in "The Book" 'cause not enough of them were produced. There > are probably numerous reasons that not as many 23's were built as the > 17's....like the company closed it's doors and it cost a lot more. I'm pretty sure > the fact that You don't like them was not a consideration, but thanks for the > info. But if they were in THE BOOK, and you based your offer to me on a book > price.......well, I guess you'd have a long drive home with an empty trailer > hitch and I'd have a good belly laugh.> > I would agree that "not everyone wants a Montgomery" however.....oddly > enough.....it sounds as though you do. You just want someone to give you one. When > you find someone that has one that doesn't want it anymore maybe you will be > able to negotiate a workable price for the two of you. Until then......> > All I have to do is to look back at all the pictures of the friends we made > on the San Juan Cruise to justify what we have all paid for our respective > boats. Everyone is smiling in every picture. I think all those folks were just > fine with what they paid. Priceless.> > > Once you find a Monty and join the rest of us, I'll be very curious to hear > your viewpoint on its value. And you are correct in the fact that the M-17 is > a fantastic boat. I wouldn't mind having another one. Once you get one all > that bitterness will melt away and you can join us all in Monty ZEN.> > > As for your tactic of chat room lecturing and bashing Montgomery owners and > their boats on the web-site dedicated for use by Montgomery owners who love > the boat (while trying to find one of those owners to sell you their > boat).......well....whatever. That's kinda weird and I hardly think it's going to > produce the results you are looking for, but hey, guess you have to turn over > every rock.> > While you are out looking for Montgomery 17 for $999.00 (cause the 23's > were never popular anyway)........I think I'll go out sailing. > > guess I now understand why your scree-name is FREE willy.> > No hard feelings...go find your Monty and lets go for a sail. That, after > all, is what its all about!> > To the group: Sorry.....had to reply to that even though I know it's gonna > perpetuate a discussion that no-one even feels like wasting their time to > argue. I've stated my feelings and won't respond any further on this issue. > > Thanks> > Sean > M23 Dauntless> > > > > > > > > > > > ************************************** See what's new at http://www.aol.com> _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats> > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
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