RE: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard
Bob Eeg does sell M-15 Center Boards. He is the owner of Nor'Sea Yachts and has the Montgomery Factory. He inherited the factory from Jerry Montgomery who built my sailboat. Bob Eeg can be reached at (949)489-8227. Go to the web site and take a look. www.norseayachts.com Fair Winds. ----Larry # 189 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmiss ion.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sadler Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 8:47 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard Thanks Larry How do you reach Bob Erg? Does he sell centerboards for M-15 Captin James Albert Sadler skipper M-15 sailing vessel Pelican -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com@mailman.xmis sion.com]On Behalf Of Hughston, Larry Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 7:27 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard Jim, I would leave the trunk untouched if it is not swollen. Go ahead and get a new lead with fiberglass exterior CB from Bob Eeg. I did that and glad I did. The old steel CB was truly an oxidized, bloated, crusty mess! The old CB had to be extracted by the marine repair professionals I use here in Sacramento. Not cheap but satisfied with the outcome. ---Larry (Monty 15 hull #189) -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmiss ion.com] On Behalf Of thauser@att.net Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:27 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard The black liquid may have been grease from the punches. Since she is almost 25 years young, can't say what or how long the liquid has been inside. It looked like 1/2 water and 1/2 oil or light grease. I could not remove the punches. They are sealed in a clear gell, probaby epoxy. The ones I could see were not rusted. I do believe there is swelling inside the trunk. The ballast in CB and trunk is steel as per the magnet . If I ever have to remove the ballast, it will have to be done from the exterior side of the trunk (see Dauntless at http://www.havasumontgomerys.funtigo.com/ She had this done last year. If the CB works OK I sure won't attack the trunk any time soon. -- Thomas (Tom) Hauser EEOC Contract Investigator Post Office Box 981134 Park City, UT 84098-1134 435-640-8417 -------------- Original message from "Jim Sadler" <jimsadler@jascopacific.com>: --------------
Thanks Tom
What do you think the "black liquid" was? What did you do to the centerboard ballast to stop the rust? Did you replace the balast in the centerboard?
Captin Jim skipper "Pelican"
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Jim:
I purchased Kestrel, M-15, # 175, last year in Monterey, CA. She spent
her life in salt water. CB was stuck solid. Used auto floor jack, pry bar,
nylon straps, and plenty of soft language (!#., % * but nothing like #$$, or ^&!$??>>!!). Took out the copper swivel pin also. After much labor, was able to pry out CB. Opened the CB (4" x 4" inspection hole) and found about 1/4 cup of black liquid. Punchings were sealed in fiberglas so not all were corroded.
Trunk may have problems but can't get to it without major surgery. Sanded CB down as much as possible and this gave it enough clearance to go back into trunk with plenty of space to swing.
Replaced the pennant with a smaller line, made sure knot was stuffed inside the recessed area at rear edge of CB.
Before reinstalling brass swivel pin I placed a SS bolt. It sticks out
either side of trunk but won't hurt for one season. Am waiting one season to make sure there is no further swelling (at least to impede CB), then will replace swivel pin and fiberglas the holes on either side of trunk.
Also, sailing only in fresh water may retard swelling. Put lots of marine bearing grease on CB. Double checked to make sure pennant is clear. So
far, so good.
Regards. Tom
-- Thomas (Tom) Hauser EEOC Contract Investigator Post Office Box 981134 Park City, UT 84098-1134 435-640-8417
-------------- Original message from "Jim Sadler" : --------------
Thanks Rik
Do you know of anyone who has performed "major surgery" for this condition? What did they do? Do you know what form the 250 # of ballast is in? Is it steel punching? Does the surgery involve removing the ballast and maybe replacement with lead?
Maybe the best way is to send "Pelican" to Davey Jones fleet.
Jim Sadler skipper M-15 Pelican
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Jim,
If that happens the problem is in the trunk, where the ballast is. A
15 has about 250 lbs of ballast.
But I'd make darn sure the pennant isn't stuck down along-side the center board before I started any major surgery.
Rik
Jim Sadler wrote:
Question
Is it the centerboad that swells or is it the trunk that swells. Is there steel inside the trunk that swells? I am sure this has been dicussed on the form but I don't know how to search for a subject?
Thanks for any suggestions or opinions
Jim Sadler
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My center board is really stuck.
I think it is probably a steel constructuon and has expanded.
How do you get them loose? Any idea would be appreciated.
Jim Sadler
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Jim, I've been following your thread concerning your stuck CB. Before I bought my M-15 (cica 1982) I too was concerned about the steel punches and the swelling of the keel trunk. I read Sean's trials & tribulations with Dauntless and almost passed on buying my boat and wait for a lead keel Monty to become available. I spoke with Bob Eeg about the possibility of having this problem in the future and he recommeded a new CB if I were to experience any sticking problems. It appears that the trunk swells due to the rusty steel punches and squeezes the CB. The new CB that Bob sells is slimmer and eliminates the sticking issue. It's also alot cheeper then replacing the balast, not to mention the labor and trouble of the surgery involved. Bob is very aware of the issue with the early model Monty's and this is his recommendation. Personnally, I'd follow Bob's recommendation before I attempted any major surgery. Good Luck, Skip Brandy #201 -----Original Message----- From: Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:53 PM Subject: RE: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard Bob Eeg does sell M-15 Center Boards. He is the owner of Nor'Sea Yachts and has the Montgomery Factory. He inherited the factory from Jerry Montgomery who built my sailboat. Bob Eeg can be reached at (949)489-8227. Go to the web site and take a look. www.norseayachts.com Fair Winds. ----Larry # 189 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmiss ion.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sadler Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 8:47 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard Thanks Larry How do you reach Bob Erg? Does he sell centerboards for M-15 Captin James Albert Sadler skipper M-15 sailing vessel Pelican -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com@mailman.xmis sion.com]On Behalf Of Hughston, Larry Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 7:27 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard Jim, I would leave the trunk untouched if it is not swollen. Go ahead and get a new lead with fiberglass exterior CB from Bob Eeg. I did that and glad I did. The old steel CB was truly an oxidized, bloated, crusty mess! The old CB had to be extracted by the marine repair professionals I use here in Sacramento. Not cheap but satisfied with the outcome. ---Larry (Monty 15 hull #189) -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmiss ion.com] On Behalf Of thauser@att.net Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:27 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard The black liquid may have been grease from the punches. Since she is almost 25 years young, can't say what or how long the liquid has been inside. It looked like 1/2 water and 1/2 oil or light grease. I could not remove the punches. They are sealed in a clear gell, probaby epoxy. The ones I could see were not rusted. I do believe there is swelling inside the trunk. The ballast in CB and trunk is steel as per the magnet . If I ever have to remove the ballast, it will have to be done from the exterior side of the trunk (see Dauntless at http://www.havasumontgomerys.funtigo.com/ She had this done last year. If the CB works OK I sure won't attack the trunk any time soon. -- Thomas (Tom) Hauser EEOC Contract Investigator Post Office Box 981134 Park City, UT 84098-1134 435-640-8417 -------------- Original message from "Jim Sadler" <jimsadler@jascopacific.com>: --------------
Thanks Tom
What do you think the "black liquid" was? What did you do to the centerboard ballast to stop the rust? Did you replace the balast in the centerboard?
Captin Jim skipper "Pelican"
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Jim:
I purchased Kestrel, M-15, # 175, last year in Monterey, CA. She spent
her life in salt water. CB was stuck solid. Used auto floor jack, pry bar,
nylon straps, and plenty of soft language (!#., % * but nothing like #$$, or ^&!$??>>!!). Took out the copper swivel pin also. After much labor, was able to pry out CB. Opened the CB (4" x 4" inspection hole) and found about 1/4 cup of black liquid. Punchings were sealed in fiberglas so not all were corroded.
Trunk may have problems but can't get to it without major surgery. Sanded CB down as much as possible and this gave it enough clearance to go back into trunk with plenty of space to swing.
Replaced the pennant with a smaller line, made sure knot was stuffed inside the recessed area at rear edge of CB.
Before reinstalling brass swivel pin I placed a SS bolt. It sticks out
either side of trunk but won't hurt for one season. Am waiting one season to make sure there is no further swelling (at least to impede CB), then will replace swivel pin and fiberglas the holes on either side of trunk.
Also, sailing only in fresh water may retard swelling. Put lots of marine bearing grease on CB. Double checked to make sure pennant is clear. So
far, so good.
Regards. Tom
-- Thomas (Tom) Hauser EEOC Contract Investigator Post Office Box 981134 Park City, UT 84098-1134 435-640-8417
-------------- Original message from "Jim Sadler" : --------------
Thanks Rik
Do you know of anyone who has performed "major surgery" for this condition? What did they do? Do you know what form the 250 # of ballast is in? Is it steel punching? Does the surgery involve removing the ballast and maybe replacement with lead?
Maybe the best way is to send "Pelican" to Davey Jones fleet.
Jim Sadler skipper M-15 Pelican
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sion.com]On Behalf Of Rik Sandberg Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:09 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard
Jim,
If that happens the problem is in the trunk, where the ballast is. A
15 has about 250 lbs of ballast.
But I'd make darn sure the pennant isn't stuck down along-side the center board before I started any major surgery.
Rik
Jim Sadler wrote:
Question
Is it the centerboad that swells or is it the trunk that swells. Is there steel inside the trunk that swells? I am sure this has been dicussed on the form but I don't know how to search for a subject?
Thanks for any suggestions or opinions
Jim Sadler
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sion.com]On Behalf Of Jim Sadler Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:25 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard
My center board is really stuck.
I think it is probably a steel constructuon and has expanded.
How do you get them loose? Any idea would be appreciated.
Jim Sadler
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New, better then the original, and cheaper? Sounds like a call into Bob is the way to go. On 2/23/07 1:19 PM, "wcampion@aol.com" <wcampion@aol.com> wrote:
Jim,
I've been following your thread concerning your stuck CB. Before I bought my M-15 (cica 1982) I too was concerned about the steel punches and the swelling of the keel trunk. I read Sean's trials & tribulations with Dauntless and almost passed on buying my boat and wait for a lead keel Monty to become available. I spoke with Bob Eeg about the possibility of having this problem in the future and he recommeded a new CB if I were to experience any sticking problems. It appears that the trunk swells due to the rusty steel punches and squeezes the CB. The new CB that Bob sells is slimmer and eliminates the sticking issue. It's also alot cheeper then replacing the balast, not to mention the labor and trouble of the surgery involved. Bob is very aware of the issue with the early model Monty's and this is his recommendation. Personnally, I'd follow Bob's recommendation before I attempted any major surgery.
Good Luck, Skip Brandy #201
-----Original Message----- From: Larry.Hughston@dgs.ca.gov To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Fri, 23 Feb 2007 12:53 PM Subject: RE: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard
Bob Eeg does sell M-15 Center Boards. He is the owner of Nor'Sea Yachts and has the Montgomery Factory. He inherited the factory from Jerry Montgomery who built my sailboat. Bob Eeg can be reached at (949)489-8227. Go to the web site and take a look. www.norseayachts.com
Fair Winds. ----Larry # 189
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Thanks Larry How do you reach Bob Erg? Does he sell centerboards for M-15
Captin James Albert Sadler skipper M-15 sailing vessel Pelican
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com@mailman.xmis sion.com]On Behalf Of Hughston, Larry Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 7:27 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard
Jim, I would leave the trunk untouched if it is not swollen. Go ahead and get a new lead with fiberglass exterior CB from Bob Eeg. I did that and glad I did. The old steel CB was truly an oxidized, bloated, crusty mess! The old CB had to be extracted by the marine repair professionals I use here in Sacramento. Not cheap but satisfied with the outcome.
---Larry (Monty 15 hull #189)
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The black liquid may have been grease from the punches. Since she is almost 25 years young, can't say what or how long the liquid has been inside. It looked like 1/2 water and 1/2 oil or light grease.
I could not remove the punches. They are sealed in a clear gell, probaby epoxy. The ones I could see were not rusted. I do believe there is swelling inside the trunk. The ballast in CB and trunk is steel as per the magnet .
If I ever have to remove the ballast, it will have to be done from the exterior side of the trunk (see Dauntless at http://www.havasumontgomerys.funtigo.com/ She had this done last year. If the CB works OK I sure won't attack the trunk any time soon. -- Thomas (Tom) Hauser EEOC Contract Investigator Post Office Box 981134 Park City, UT 84098-1134 435-640-8417
-------------- Original message from "Jim Sadler" <jimsadler@jascopacific.com>: --------------
Thanks Tom
What do you think the "black liquid" was? What did you do to the centerboard ballast to stop the rust? Did you replace the balast in the centerboard?
Captin Jim skipper "Pelican"
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Jim:
I purchased Kestrel, M-15, # 175, last year in Monterey, CA. She spent
her life in salt water. CB was stuck solid. Used auto floor jack, pry bar,
nylon straps, and plenty of soft language (!#., % * but nothing like #$$, or ^&!$??>>!!). Took out the copper swivel pin also. After much labor, was able to pry out CB. Opened the CB (4" x 4" inspection hole) and found about 1/4 cup of black liquid. Punchings were sealed in fiberglas so not all were corroded.
Trunk may have problems but can't get to it without major surgery. Sanded CB down as much as possible and this gave it enough clearance to go back into trunk with plenty of space to swing.
Replaced the pennant with a smaller line, made sure knot was stuffed inside the recessed area at rear edge of CB.
Before reinstalling brass swivel pin I placed a SS bolt. It sticks out
either side of trunk but won't hurt for one season. Am waiting one season to make sure there is no further swelling (at least to impede CB), then will replace swivel pin and fiberglas the holes on either side of trunk.
Also, sailing only in fresh water may retard swelling. Put lots of marine bearing grease on CB. Double checked to make sure pennant is clear. So
far, so good.
Regards. Tom
-- Thomas (Tom) Hauser EEOC Contract Investigator Post Office Box 981134 Park City, UT 84098-1134 435-640-8417
-------------- Original message from "Jim Sadler" : --------------
Thanks Rik
Do you know of anyone who has performed "major surgery" for this condition? What did they do? Do you know what form the 250 # of ballast is in? Is it steel punching? Does the surgery involve removing the ballast and maybe replacement with lead?
Maybe the best way is to send "Pelican" to Davey Jones fleet.
Jim Sadler skipper M-15 Pelican
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sion.com]On Behalf Of Rik Sandberg Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:09 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard
Jim,
If that happens the problem is in the trunk, where the ballast is. A
15 has about 250 lbs of ballast.
But I'd make darn sure the pennant isn't stuck down along-side the center board before I started any major surgery.
Rik
Jim Sadler wrote:
Question
Is it the centerboad that swells or is it the trunk that swells. Is there steel inside the trunk that swells? I am sure this has been dicussed on the form but I don't know how to search for a subject?
Thanks for any suggestions or opinions
Jim Sadler
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My center board is really stuck.
I think it is probably a steel constructuon and has expanded.
How do you get them loose? Any idea would be appreciated.
Jim Sadler
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Thanks Skipper -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com@mailman.xmis sion.com]On Behalf Of Hughston, Larry Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 9:54 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard Bob Eeg does sell M-15 Center Boards. He is the owner of Nor'Sea Yachts and has the Montgomery Factory. He inherited the factory from Jerry Montgomery who built my sailboat. Bob Eeg can be reached at (949)489-8227. Go to the web site and take a look. www.norseayachts.com Fair Winds. ----Larry # 189 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmiss ion.com] On Behalf Of Jim Sadler Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 8:47 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard Thanks Larry How do you reach Bob Erg? Does he sell centerboards for M-15 Captin James Albert Sadler skipper M-15 sailing vessel Pelican -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com@mailman.xmis sion.com]On Behalf Of Hughston, Larry Sent: Friday, February 23, 2007 7:27 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard Jim, I would leave the trunk untouched if it is not swollen. Go ahead and get a new lead with fiberglass exterior CB from Bob Eeg. I did that and glad I did. The old steel CB was truly an oxidized, bloated, crusty mess! The old CB had to be extracted by the marine repair professionals I use here in Sacramento. Not cheap but satisfied with the outcome. ---Larry (Monty 15 hull #189) -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+larry.hughston=dgs.ca.gov@mailman.xmiss ion.com] On Behalf Of thauser@att.net Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 12:27 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard The black liquid may have been grease from the punches. Since she is almost 25 years young, can't say what or how long the liquid has been inside. It looked like 1/2 water and 1/2 oil or light grease. I could not remove the punches. They are sealed in a clear gell, probaby epoxy. The ones I could see were not rusted. I do believe there is swelling inside the trunk. The ballast in CB and trunk is steel as per the magnet . If I ever have to remove the ballast, it will have to be done from the exterior side of the trunk (see Dauntless at http://www.havasumontgomerys.funtigo.com/ She had this done last year. If the CB works OK I sure won't attack the trunk any time soon. -- Thomas (Tom) Hauser EEOC Contract Investigator Post Office Box 981134 Park City, UT 84098-1134 435-640-8417 -------------- Original message from "Jim Sadler" <jimsadler@jascopacific.com>: --------------
Thanks Tom
What do you think the "black liquid" was? What did you do to the centerboard ballast to stop the rust? Did you replace the balast in the centerboard?
Captin Jim skipper "Pelican"
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sion.com]On Behalf Of thauser@att.net Sent: Thursday, February 22, 2007 10:58 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: RE: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard
Jim:
I purchased Kestrel, M-15, # 175, last year in Monterey, CA. She spent
her life in salt water. CB was stuck solid. Used auto floor jack, pry bar,
nylon straps, and plenty of soft language (!#., % * but nothing like #$$, or ^&!$??>>!!). Took out the copper swivel pin also. After much labor, was able to pry out CB. Opened the CB (4" x 4" inspection hole) and found about 1/4 cup of black liquid. Punchings were sealed in fiberglas so not all were corroded.
Trunk may have problems but can't get to it without major surgery. Sanded CB down as much as possible and this gave it enough clearance to go back into trunk with plenty of space to swing.
Replaced the pennant with a smaller line, made sure knot was stuffed inside the recessed area at rear edge of CB.
Before reinstalling brass swivel pin I placed a SS bolt. It sticks out
either side of trunk but won't hurt for one season. Am waiting one season to make sure there is no further swelling (at least to impede CB), then will replace swivel pin and fiberglas the holes on either side of trunk.
Also, sailing only in fresh water may retard swelling. Put lots of marine bearing grease on CB. Double checked to make sure pennant is clear. So
far, so good.
Regards. Tom
-- Thomas (Tom) Hauser EEOC Contract Investigator Post Office Box 981134 Park City, UT 84098-1134 435-640-8417
-------------- Original message from "Jim Sadler" : --------------
Thanks Rik
Do you know of anyone who has performed "major surgery" for this condition? What did they do? Do you know what form the 250 # of ballast is in? Is it steel punching? Does the surgery involve removing the ballast and maybe replacement with lead?
Maybe the best way is to send "Pelican" to Davey Jones fleet.
Jim Sadler skipper M-15 Pelican
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[mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+jimsadler=jascopacific.com@mailman.xmis
sion.com]On Behalf Of Rik Sandberg Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 6:09 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard
Jim,
If that happens the problem is in the trunk, where the ballast is. A
15 has about 250 lbs of ballast.
But I'd make darn sure the pennant isn't stuck down along-side the center board before I started any major surgery.
Rik
Jim Sadler wrote:
Question
Is it the centerboad that swells or is it the trunk that swells. Is there steel inside the trunk that swells? I am sure this has been dicussed on the form but I don't know how to search for a subject?
Thanks for any suggestions or opinions
Jim Sadler
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sion.com]On Behalf Of Jim Sadler Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 9:25 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: M15 stuck centerboard
My center board is really stuck.
I think it is probably a steel constructuon and has expanded.
How do you get them loose? Any idea would be appreciated.
Jim Sadler
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