. If the Mac users can't access the links, perhaps they're just out of luck . . . Yeah right. Let's all trade in our Macs for PC's. :-( It ain't a Mac problem, it's a coding problem. I'll forward my note to Funtigo and see if they want to revise their code to INDUSTRY STANDARDS so that the links will work for everyone. --Bob Olson Craig F. Honshell wrote:

When I downloaded Firefox, I expressly did not delete IE, for just such a reason . . . IE is a flawed browser that allows too many pop-ups and adware intrusions, which is why people download Firefox, Opera, etc. . . . Perhaps Funtigo somehow tailors it's links to IE use? Seems any users out there with Microsoft who are using safer browsers but haven't deleted IE should be able to pull it up to access your site . . . If the Mac users can't access the links, perhaps they're just out of luck . . . Just my thoughts as a computer user with very limited understanding of the programs he uses . . .

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In a message dated 1/22/2005 12:38:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, bobo4u@qwest.net writes: Sorry to respond to list about this, but I don't know who codes the site.

Hi Bob, Funtigo does it all. It's quite easy to use their site as they made it that way. If I had to do as you suggest... it wouldn't get done as I don't posses those skills. Now about funtigo... There is a possibility they can change something to assist those with other than an MS browser. However, I'm not the person to suggest whatever is needed as again, I dont posses those skills. Maybe you could write to Funtigo on the MSOG behalf, explain what their situation is and get a technical answer. That, after translation, we could all understand. As for me, I never heard of Foxfire or Safari before. I've always used Internet Explorer and don't know any better. You would be doing the group a favor if you can get an answer. Go to their main site at www.funtigo.com and at the lower left is a "contact us" link. If you want to get an idea of how they make it for their clients. You can sign up for a free trial funtigo membership. Thanks for any help, Bill _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

On Jan 22, 2005, at 2:14 PM, Craig F. Honshell wrote:

Um . . . I was in no way disparaging the Mac . . . Sorry to offend . . . I know that Apple software is superior, per the message I just sent to Rachel . . .

Hey Craig, No worries. I think we Mac users sometimes do get a wee bit tired of people - oftentimes tech "expert help" people at that - taking the easy out. By that I mean that as soon as you say that you have a Mac, they instantly try to blame the problem on that even when it's patently obvious that that's not the case. I actually had my ISP try to blame a recent wireless e-mail problem on my Mac. As if. I had to explain to them how it couldn't possibly have anything to do with my Mac, as the problem duplicated itself when I used Webmail on a Windows machine. Cripes. Not that Macs are flawless - they're machines that have their problems, as are all computers. And I'm not an expert by any means. I know much more about the mechanics of my car than I do about my computer. Anyway, I wasn't offended ... much ;-) Although I admit that that "out of luck" comment did prompt my reply :-) At least M-boats don't come with two or three different operating systems! --- Rachel

's okay, Bob! :-) I should have chosen my words more carefully . . . I hope Funtigo complies and standardizes the links for all users . . . Peace, love and Macs . . . I dig that . . . :-) Fair winds, Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Olson To: Craig F. Honshell ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 3:31 PM Subject: to the mac folk . . . Sorry Craig. Didn't mean to freak you out. But as Rachel points out, us Mac users are a bit sensitive about being fall guys for problems unrelated to our computers. Peace, love, and Macs--Bob Olson Craig F. Honshell wrote:

Um . . . I was in no way disparaging the Mac . . . Sorry to offend . . . I know that Apple software is superior, per the message I just sent to Rachel . . .

Didn't realize I'd tap into the Mac angst with that remark . . . You obviously know reams more about programming than I, which wouldn't be hard since I know nothing, so I had no idea I'd offend with the offhand remark . . .

"Yeah right. Let's all trade in our Macs for PC's. :-("

--This is a rather frightening a hostile hyperbolic retort . . . Yikes . . .

----- Original Message ----- From: Bob Olson To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 2:11 PM Subject: funtigo . . .

If the Mac users can't access the links, perhaps they're just out of luck . . .

Yeah right. Let's all trade in our Macs for PC's. :-(

It ain't a Mac problem, it's a coding problem. I'll forward my note to Funtigo and see if they want to revise their code to INDUSTRY STANDARDS so that the links will work for everyone.

--Bob Olson

Craig F. Honshell wrote:

When I downloaded Firefox, I expressly did not delete IE, for just such a reason . . . IE is a flawed browser that allows too many pop-ups and adware intrusions, which is why people download Firefox, Opera, etc. . . . Perhaps Funtigo somehow tailors it's links to IE use? Seems any users out there with Microsoft who are using safer browsers but haven't deleted IE should be able to pull it up to access your site . . . If the Mac users can't access the links, perhaps they're just out of luck . . . Just my thoughts as a computer user with very limited understanding of the programs he uses . . .

----- Original Message ----- From: BILLAMICASR@aol.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Saturday, January 22, 2005 10:55 AM Subject: more new stuff on the photo site...

In a message dated 1/22/2005 12:38:23 AM Pacific Standard Time, bobo4u@qwest.net writes: Sorry to respond to list about this, but I don't know who codes the site.

Hi Bob, Funtigo does it all. It's quite easy to use their site as they made it that way. If I had to do as you suggest... it wouldn't get done as I don't posses those skills. Now about funtigo... There is a possibility they can change something to assist those with other than an MS browser. However, I'm not the person to suggest whatever is needed as again, I dont posses those skills. Maybe you could write to Funtigo on the MSOG behalf, explain what their situation is and get a technical answer. That, after translation, we could all understand. As for me, I never heard of Foxfire or Safari before. I've always used Internet Explorer and don't know any better. You would be doing the group a favor if you can get an answer. Go to their main site at www.funtigo.com and at the lower left is a "contact us" link. If you want to get an idea of how they make it for their clients. You can sign up for a free trial funtigo membership. Thanks for any help, Bill

Bob She looks great what year? Irv On Jun 16, 2005, at 10:19 PM, Bob Olson wrote:

So, after two months of fixing and adding stuff to my new (old) Monty 15, I think I'm finally ready to put it in some water.

For the curious (and picture hungry), here's a brief list of stuff that I did;

-- Rebuilt delaminated centerboard

-- Re-faired the keel

-- fixed rotten core under mast step and bow cleat

-- Fixed adjustable motor mount and added access port

-- Built new hatchboards (thanks Rachel for your Starboard suggestion)

-- Added Jib downhaul

-- Did major clean up and ding repair

-- refinished all the teak

'Course, I was in school full time, so it took awhile. ;-)

Here's a link to a few shots.

http://www.users.qwest.net/~bobo4u/monty_pix.html

Wish I had had these available when I was trying to figure some of this stuff out. So, feel free to borrow.

Anybody want to go sailing? I'm getting ((((((nervous)))))), but excited.

--Bob Olson

M-15 #219 "Sequel"

P.S. I haven't been able to access the Funtigo site for months. Anybody having the same problem? Yes, I'm on a Mac. And yes, I've tried multiple browsers. The interesting thing is, I cna't even access Funtigo's home page. I think they need to change a couple of letters in their name!

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Correction, Thanks to Rachel for pointing out that Maria Jorge gets the credit for the Starboard suggestion; "Starboard is the copyright name of marine grade polymer sheets commonly used in the marine industry in place of teak on boats. It is easy to work with using standard tools, stands up to UV rays and is practically maintenance free. Here is the website: www.kingstarboard.com. West Marine carries it but it is expensive. I would look around for other sources such as someone who sells plastic sheeting. It will never have the beauty of teak but I like the fact that it is maintenance free. Re-doing the teak toerails and other trim on my M17 has been enough work. The tan color contrasts nicely with the vertical teak trim on the companionway." Maria Well, at least I got the Gender right. BTW, I found a place that sells teak in small quantities (plywood and lumber) at reasonable prices. Check out www.buckwoodcraft.com. Also, Marisafe.com is the best place to buy starboard. --Bob On Jun 16, 2005, at 7:18 PM, Irvin Kooris wrote:

Bob She looks great what year? Irv On Jun 16, 2005, at 10:19 PM, Bob Olson wrote:

...

So, after two months of fixing and adding stuff to my new (old) Monty 15, I think I'm finally ready to put it in some water.

For the curious (and picture hungry), here's a brief list of stuff that I did;

-- Rebuilt delaminated centerboard

-- Re-faired the keel

-- fixed rotten core under mast step and bow cleat

-- Fixed adjustable motor mount and added access port

-- Built new hatchboards (thanks Rachel for your Starboard suggestion)

-- Added Jib downhaul

-- Did major clean up and ding repair

-- refinished all the teak

'Course, I was in school full time, so it took awhile. ;-)

Here's a link to a few shots.

http://www.users.qwest.net/~bobo4u/monty_pix.html

Wish I had had these available when I was trying to figure some of this stuff out. So, feel free to borrow.

Anybody want to go sailing? I'm getting ((((((nervous)))))), but excited.

--Bob Olson

M-15 #219 "Sequel"

P.S. I haven't been able to access the Funtigo site for months. Anybody having the same problem? Yes, I'm on a Mac. And yes, I've tried multiple browsers. The interesting thing is, I cna't even access Funtigo's home page. I think they need to change a couple of letters in their name!

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Rachel, Oops, you're right. Looks like Maria Jorge gets the credit; "Starboard is the copyright name of marine grade polymer sheets commonly used in the marine industry in place of teak on boats. It is easy to work with using standard tools, stands up to UV rays and is practically maintenance free. Here is the website: www.kingstarboard.com. West Marine carries it but it is expensive. I would look around for other sources such as someone who sells plastic sheeting. It will never have the beauty of teak but I like the fact that it is maintenance free. Re-doing the teak toerails and other trim on my M17 has been enough work. The tan color contrasts nicely with the vertical teak trim on the companionway." Maria Well, at least I got the Gender right. BTW, I found a place that sells teak in small quantities (plywood and lumber) at reasonable prices. Check out www.buckwoodcraft.com. Also, Marisafe.com is the best place to buy starboard. --Bob On Jun 16, 2005, at 7:28 PM, Rachel wrote:

On Jun 16, 2005, at 9:19 PM, Bob Olson wrote:

...

So, after two months of fixing and adding stuff to my new (old) Monty 15, I think I'm finally ready to put it in some water.... -- Built new hatchboards (thanks Rachel for your Starboard suggestion)

Hi Bob,

Your M-15 looks great! I don't think it would have been me suggesting Starboard for your hatches though - must be someone else who should get the credit.

Happy sailing! --- Rachel

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