RE: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 30, Issue 1

2 Aug 2005

      Subj:  RE: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 30, Issue 1

Christian, I have a new M-15 (628, delivered in Jan.), and she's a piece
of cake to rig and derig.   I have a CDI roller furler, which requires a
bit of effort to control during mast raising and lowering.  But, the
roller furler eliminates hanking on the jib, and makes for easy setting
and dousing of the jib.

To rig, it takes me 20 minutes, and I don't try to move fast.  To derig,
it takes me 15 minutes.

I keep my main on my boom, which I carry on my trailer, down by the
right wheel (it takes too much effort and time to fit the boom into the
cabin, in my experience).  I keep my rudder in the cabin.  I keep my
sidestays attached, and use velcro strips to keep the roller furler fast
to the mast.

I keep my boat in my garage.  To allow her to fit in my short, not deep
garage, I had to shorten the forward mast crutch, and I have to unpin
the forestay/roller furler from the mast hound and slide the roller
furler back along the mast, such that the roller furler drum is even
with the foot of mast at the forward mast crutch.

The loose footed main performs well, and it's easy to adjust her via the
outhaul and my added on boom vang.

Fine choice of boat, Christian!

Sincerely,
John

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: Hawaii (jiminy)
   2. RE: galvanic (Tom Smith)
   3. RE: galvanic (htmills@bright.net)
   4. Re: Re: Hawaii (Craig F. Honshell)
   5. Re: galvanic (Craig F. Honshell)
   6. Re: Re: Hawaii (Larry E Yake)
   7. RE: M15 setup (cdfusselman@frontiernet.net)
   8. Re: RE: M15 setup (Rik Sandberg)

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Message: 1
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:48:52 -0700 (PDT)
From: jiminy <jiminypricket@yahoo.com>
Subject: M_Boats: Re: Hawaii
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Craig,

I own a 17' montgomery, hull #35 with a fixed keel.
She's named "Rail Rider" and is berthed at Kaneohe Marine Corps Base
Marina, I'm in the navy.

The only other montgomery I know of here is a 15' that is at keehi small
boat harbor.  I think that one has been up for sale now for over 6
months.

-Jeremy

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Message: 2
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 13:19:54 -0700
From: "Tom Smith" <tsmith@nextit.com>
Subject: RE: M_Boats: galvanic
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I use permatex as well.  Regardless of brand however, the higher the
copper content the better.

Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle
M15/345--Chukar
M17/064--Unnamed

I use COPPER ANTI-SIEZE lubricant from Permatex.

It has worked well so far but I haven't been using it long enough to
claim a good test.  The stainless screws have been in the aluminum boom
for 2 1/2 years
- so far no signs of corosion.

Thanks

Doug

--- "Craig F. Honshell" <chonshell@ia4u.net> wrote:
...
I'm assuming you use that stuff on the threads to prevent galvanic
corrosion, right Doug?  What do you use?  Thanks, Craig
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Kelch
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 4:20 PM
Subject: RE: M_Boats: Jiffy reefing system
Sandra,
Tod has the link correct.  I did not install the cheek block in the
picture. I did put the pad eye in front of the cheek block in for the
second reef point.  I do not use pop rivets. I use self taping
stainless steel screws with a corosion preventing grease on the
threads.
Thanks
Doug Kelch
--- htmills@bright.net wrote:
...
Sandra,
Perhaps you are thinking of Doug Kelch's funtigo site?
http://www.funtigo.com/dkelch?b=215326&p=start&c=1802951
...
...
Tod
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Message: 3
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 18:23:54 -0400
From: <htmills@bright.net>
Subject: RE: M_Boats: galvanic
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two other options are:

tef-gel

duralac

No idea which is the best option, although someone on the Tartan list
recently favored duralac.

Tod Mills
M17 #408
BuscaBrisas

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m] On Behalf Of Tom Smith
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 3:20 PM
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Subject: RE: M_Boats: galvanic

I use permatex as well.  Regardless of brand however, the higher the
copper content the better.

Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle
M15/345--Chukar
M17/064--Unnamed

I use COPPER ANTI-SIEZE lubricant from Permatex.

It has worked well so far but I haven't been using it long enough to
claim a good test.  The stainless screws have been in the aluminum boom
for 2 1/2 years
- so far no signs of corosion.

Thanks

Doug

--- "Craig F. Honshell" <chonshell@ia4u.net> wrote:
...
I'm assuming you use that stuff on the threads to prevent galvanic
corrosion, right Doug?  What do you use?  Thanks, Craig
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Kelch
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 4:20 PM
Subject: RE: M_Boats: Jiffy reefing system
Sandra,
Tod has the link correct.  I did not install the cheek block in the
picture. I did put the pad eye in front of the cheek block in for the
second reef point.  I do not use pop rivets. I use self taping
stainless steel screws with a corosion preventing grease on the
threads.
Thanks
Doug Kelch
--- htmills@bright.net wrote:
...
Sandra,
Perhaps you are thinking of Doug Kelch's funtigo site?
http://www.funtigo.com/dkelch?b=215326&p=start&c=1802951
...
...
Tod
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Message: 4
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:21:37 -0400
From: "Craig F. Honshell" <chonshell@ia4u.net>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: Hawaii
To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
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Excellent, Jeremy, thanks for the reply!  Also great to read that one of
the early fixed-keelers is still sailing.  Must be fabulous sailing the
islands.  --Craig

----- Original Message -----
From: jiminy
To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 2:48 PM
Subject: M_Boats: Re: Hawaii

Craig,

I own a 17' montgomery, hull #35 with a fixed keel.
She's named "Rail Rider" and is berthed at Kaneohe Marine Corps Base
Marina, I'm in the navy.

The only other montgomery I know of here is a 15' that is at keehi small
boat harbor.  I think that one has been up for sale now for over 6
months.

-Jeremy

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Message: 5
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:24:14 -0400
From: "Craig F. Honshell" <chonshell@ia4u.net>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: galvanic
To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats"
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I'd like to know more about galvanic corrosion, if any M-List
metallurgists can
explain:  Why would copper prevent galvanic corrosion between steel and
aluminum, and why wouldn't copper cause galvanic corrosion to both?

----- Original Message -----
From: Tom Smith
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
Sent: Monday, August 01, 2005 4:19 PM
Subject: RE: M_Boats: galvanic

I use permatex as well.  Regardless of brand however, the higher the
copper content the better.

Tom Smith & Jane VanWinkle
M15/345--Chukar
M17/064--Unnamed

I use COPPER ANTI-SIEZE lubricant from Permatex.

It has worked well so far but I haven't been using it long enough to
claim a good test.  The stainless screws have been in the aluminum boom
for 2 1/2 years
- so far no signs of corosion.

Thanks

Doug

--- "Craig F. Honshell" <chonshell@ia4u.net> wrote:
...
I'm assuming you use that stuff on the threads to prevent galvanic
corrosion, right Doug?  What do you use?  Thanks, Craig
----- Original Message -----
From: Doug Kelch
To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats
Sent: Friday, July 29, 2005 4:20 PM
Subject: RE: M_Boats: Jiffy reefing system
Sandra,
Tod has the link correct.  I did not install the cheek block in the
picture. I did put the pad eye in front of the cheek block in for the
second reef point.  I do not use pop rivets. I use self taping
stainless steel screws with a corosion preventing grease on the
threads.
Thanks
Doug Kelch
--- htmills@bright.net wrote:
...
Sandra,
Perhaps you are thinking of Doug Kelch's funtigo site?
http://www.funtigo.com/dkelch?b=215326&p=start&c=1802951
...
...
Tod
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Message: 6
Date: Mon, 1 Aug 2005 20:09:16 -0700
From: Larry E Yake <leyake@juno.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: Hawaii
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Jeremy,

We'd love to hear the history of your boat.  How long you've owner her,
where she came from, how she got to Hawaii, etc., if you'd like to
share.

Larry

On Mon, 1 Aug 2005 11:48:52 -0700 (PDT) jiminy <jiminypricket@yahoo.com>
writes:
...
Craig,
I own a 17' montgomery, hull #35 with a fixed keel.
She's named "Rail Rider" and is berthed at Kaneohe Marine Corps Base
Marina, I'm in the navy.
The only other montgomery I know of here is a 15' that is at keehi
small boat harbor.  I think that one has been up for sale now for over
...
6 months.
-Jeremy
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Message: 7
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 01:42:56 -0400
From: "cdfusselman@frontiernet.net" <cdfusselman@frontiernet.net>
Subject: M_Boats: RE: M15 setup
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I'm going to buy a new Montgomery 15 next year. I sail a larger boat now
and want to downsize...

I've heard the M15 sets up pretty quickly.

Any thoughts on how long it takes to set up and take down from your
experience would be appreciated.

I guess the new ones have a loose footed main any thoughts on that
change?

I'm looking forward to being an M15 owner and have enjoyed reading all
the posts here.

Thanks for your input.

Christian Fusselman

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Message: 8
Date: Tue, 02 Aug 2005 08:12:41 -0500
From: Rik Sandberg <sanderico@earthlink.net>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: RE: M15 setup
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Christian,

Once you have put a little thought into how you set your boat up for
trailering, there is no reason you shouldn't be able to set her up in 15
or 20 minutes. You will only have 3 mast stays and the only stay you
really need to disconnect for trailering is the forestay. We have a
"Johnson lever" on our forestay and that makes setting up and taking
down without stay adjustments every time, very quick. The side stays
remain attached all the time and are held in place with a single bungie
to the bow pulpit when we trailer. We store our boom with the sail on it
in the cabin. The halyards and topping lift are all tied back to
themselves and tied up snug on their cleats. The trolling motor and
rudder also go in the cabin. We have a short mast carrier that fits in
the rudder gudgeons. I put in a plug at the rear of the cockpit so
hooking up the wiring for the motor is a 10 second job.

The first few times you set up, it will probably take a bit longer. But,
as you do it more and get practice, you will figure out easier ways of
doing things and get the right little lines and bungies made up so
everything just fits nice and goes quick.

I like the loose footed mains'l. I've been thinking about having one
made for our Flicka too. Much simpler.

Rik

cdfusselman@frontiernet.net wrote:
...
I'm going to buy a new Montgomery 15 next year. I sail a larger boat
now and want to downsize...
I've heard the M15 sets up pretty quickly.
Any thoughts on how long it takes to set up and take down from your
experience would be appreciated.
I guess the new ones have a loose footed main any thoughts on that
change?
I'm looking forward to being an M15 owner and have enjoyed reading all
the posts here.
Thanks for your input.
Christian Fusselman
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