WrinkleBoat Ran-Tan 2012 January 13-15 Phoenix ALL invited !
You are cordially invited to the 2012 edition of WrinkleBoat Ran-Tan and Racing Rendezvous January 13,14,15, 2012 Lake Pleasant ,Arizona (Monday the 16th is Martin Luther King Day -a holiday to help your travel) - Heads-up racing with other WrinkleBoats of various & interesting backgrounds! Montgomery, Sage and H&M (Hess and Modified) - Scoring -Winner of Regatta presents trophy/accolades/honors to the boat with second highest numerical score! (that is right!) - Proper attire requested. NOT required. - Invitations have been sent to all the 'cool people' for the event of the Season. (You got invited - right!) - Unlimited seating! No Waiting! Warm Desert Sailing in January ! - Leukemia Cup Event for that warm fuzzy feeling to start the New Year! Optional Participation (first Leukemia Cup event of the calendar year! - Pitch In!) -Racing provided by the Arizona Yacht Club (we be a 'subset' of the YC party) -Entry in Birthday Regatta this is required for 'Racing' - come on - get in there - see 'Reverse Scoring' above - any wagering on the outcome would be deemed illegal, motivational and add interest and intrigue ! ... -Meals available at AzYC registration including a breakfast! - No Handicap scoring to tax the crews brain power! Run what ya Brung 15's race with 15's 17's race with 17's, and even the rarest Wrinkleboat -23's No spinnakers. No "Measurement", No Handicap, Modifications Encouraged! -Five boats are needed for a class/start. Some of us did this in the 60's- 70's- 80's- 90's - sailed/raced/partied in the desert in January -we think we had a good time but can't really remember- so we will try again to recreate the moment! A GREAT TIME TO BE HAD BY ALL ! See link to Arizona Yacht Club Birthday Regatta- _http://arizonayachtclub.org/ayc-2012-leukemia-cup-regatta/_ (http://arizonayachtclub.org/ayc-2012-leukemia-cup-regatta/) RSVP or for additional Info _-gilasailr@aol.com_ (mailto:-gilasailr@aol.com) Gary Oberbeck PLEASE Fwd TO ALL WHO MAY BE INTERESTED - THANKS!
hey gary: talked with sal. i'll be there with AIR BORN. let me know details about signing up ... and how much booze to bring (lol) sal wants to know if the AYC would like any 'give aways'? such as: sypderco knives, sypderco bags (for swag), and/or key fobs. where/what is a good hotel near the lake so i can set reservations for myself and momma kitty. - dave scobie --- On Mon, 11/14/11, GILASAILR@aol.com <GILASAILR@aol.com> wrote:
You are cordially invited to the 2012 edition of
WrinkleBoat Ran-Tan and Racing Rendezvous January 13,14,15, 2012 Lake Pleasant ,Arizona (Monday the 16th is Martin Luther King Day -a holiday to help your travel)
- Heads-up racing with other WrinkleBoats of various & interesting backgrounds! Montgomery, Sage and H&M (Hess and Modified) - Scoring -Winner of Regatta presents trophy/accolades/honors to the boat with second highest numerical score! (that is right!) - Proper attire requested. NOT required. - Invitations have been sent to all the 'cool people' for the event of the Season. (You got invited - right!) - Unlimited seating! No Waiting! Warm Desert Sailing in January ! - Leukemia Cup Event for that warm fuzzy feeling to start the New Year! Optional Participation (first Leukemia Cup event of the calendar year! - Pitch In!) -Racing provided by the Arizona Yacht Club (we be a 'subset' of the YC party) -Entry in Birthday Regatta this is required for 'Racing' - come on - get in there - see 'Reverse Scoring' above - any wagering on the outcome would be deemed illegal, motivational and add interest and intrigue ! ... -Meals available at AzYC registration including a breakfast! - No Handicap scoring to tax the crews brain power! Run what ya Brung 15's race with 15's 17's race with 17's, and even the rarest Wrinkleboat -23's No spinnakers. No "Measurement", No Handicap, Modifications Encouraged! -Five boats are needed for a class/start.
Some of us did this in the 60's- 70's- 80's- 90's - sailed/raced/partied in the desert in January -we think we had a good time but can't really remember- so we will try again to recreate the moment!
A GREAT TIME TO BE HAD BY ALL ! See link to Arizona Yacht Club Birthday Regatta- _http://arizonayachtclub.org/ayc-2012-leukemia-cup-regatta/_
(http://arizonayachtclub.org/ayc-2012-leukemia-cup-regatta/)
RSVP or for additional Info _-gilasailr@aol.com_
(mailto:-gilasailr@aol.com) Gary Oberbeck
PLEASE Fwd TO ALL WHO MAY BE INTERESTED - THANKS!
We have 3 M15s wanting to participate in a great time. We could use a few more boats to get our own start. It should be a great time as the focus is on the participation and not the winning. It is always fun to sail in close company with similar boats and improve your skills. So come on down for some winter sailing fun. Lets see if we can get more M15s than M17s :-) You can overnight on the lake in several protected coves and if we get enough boats who want to do it I will organize an evening raft up and overnight. The Lake Pleasant Harbor charges about $10 for a car and boat - entrance fee per day. This gets you access to the launch ramps and dry camping on the grounds. The nights in January get pretty cool so if you want to camp or anchor out, bring some woolies. Quick google search on motels near Lake Pleasant- really only 1 which is about 25 minutes away Hampton Inn Anthem - Phoenix 42415 N. 41st Drive, Anthem, AZ (623) 465-7979 · Thanks Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" M15G #310 ________________________________ From: "GILASAILR@aol.com" <GILASAILR@aol.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Cc: gilasailr@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 4:04 PM Subject: M_Boats: WrinkleBoat Ran-Tan 2012 January 13-15 Phoenix ALL invited ! You are cordially invited to the 2012 edition of WrinkleBoat Ran-Tan and Racing Rendezvous January 13,14,15, 2012 Lake Pleasant ,Arizona (Monday the 16th is Martin Luther King Day -a holiday to help your travel) - Heads-up racing with other WrinkleBoats of various & interesting backgrounds! Montgomery, Sage and H&M (Hess and Modified) - Scoring -Winner of Regatta presents trophy/accolades/honors to the boat with second highest numerical score! (that is right!) - Proper attire requested. NOT required. - Invitations have been sent to all the 'cool people' for the event of the Season. (You got invited - right!) - Unlimited seating! No Waiting! Warm Desert Sailing in January ! - Leukemia Cup Event for that warm fuzzy feeling to start the New Year! Optional Participation (first Leukemia Cup event of the calendar year! - Pitch In!) -Racing provided by the Arizona Yacht Club (we be a 'subset' of the YC party) -Entry in Birthday Regatta this is required for 'Racing' - come on - get in there - see 'Reverse Scoring' above - any wagering on the outcome would be deemed illegal, motivational and add interest and intrigue ! ... -Meals available at AzYC registration including a breakfast! - No Handicap scoring to tax the crews brain power! Run what ya Brung 15's race with 15's 17's race with 17's, and even the rarest Wrinkleboat -23's No spinnakers. No "Measurement", No Handicap, Modifications Encouraged! -Five boats are needed for a class/start. Some of us did this in the 60's- 70's- 80's- 90's - sailed/raced/partied in the desert in January -we think we had a good time but can't really remember- so we will try again to recreate the moment! A GREAT TIME TO BE HAD BY ALL ! See link to Arizona Yacht Club Birthday Regatta- _http://arizonayachtclub.org/ayc-2012-leukemia-cup-regatta/_ (http://arizonayachtclub.org/ayc-2012-leukemia-cup-regatta/) RSVP or for additional Info _-gilasailr@aol.com_ (mailto:-gilasailr@aol.com) Gary Oberbeck PLEASE Fwd TO ALL WHO MAY BE INTERESTED - THANKS!
I checked the Havasu roster and their is a M 15 from Chandler AZ on the list I wonder how to get a hold of them? Bill On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Doug Kelch <doug_kelch@yahoo.com> wrote:
We have 3 M15s wanting to participate in a great time. We could use a few more boats to get our own start.
It should be a great time as the focus is on the participation and not the winning. It is always fun to sail in close company with similar boats and improve your skills. So come on down for some winter sailing fun.
Lets see if we can get more M15s than M17s :-)
You can overnight on the lake in several protected coves and if we get enough boats who want to do it I will organize an evening raft up and overnight.
The Lake Pleasant Harbor charges about $10 for a car and boat - entrance fee per day. This gets you access to the launch ramps and dry camping on the grounds. The nights in January get pretty cool so if you want to camp or anchor out, bring some woolies.
Quick google search on motels near Lake Pleasant- really only 1 which is about 25 minutes away
Hampton Inn Anthem - Phoenix 42415 N. 41st Drive, Anthem, AZ (623) 465-7979 ·
Thanks
Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" M15G #310
________________________________ From: "GILASAILR@aol.com" <GILASAILR@aol.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Cc: gilasailr@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 4:04 PM Subject: M_Boats: WrinkleBoat Ran-Tan 2012 January 13-15 Phoenix ALL invited !
You are cordially invited to the 2012 edition of
WrinkleBoat Ran-Tan and Racing Rendezvous January 13,14,15, 2012 Lake Pleasant ,Arizona (Monday the 16th is Martin Luther King Day -a holiday to help your travel)
- Heads-up racing with other WrinkleBoats of various & interesting backgrounds! Montgomery, Sage and H&M (Hess and Modified) - Scoring -Winner of Regatta presents trophy/accolades/honors to the boat with second highest numerical score! (that is right!) - Proper attire requested. NOT required. - Invitations have been sent to all the 'cool people' for the event of the Season. (You got invited - right!) - Unlimited seating! No Waiting! Warm Desert Sailing in January ! - Leukemia Cup Event for that warm fuzzy feeling to start the New Year! Optional Participation (first Leukemia Cup event of the calendar year! - Pitch In!) -Racing provided by the Arizona Yacht Club (we be a 'subset' of the YC party) -Entry in Birthday Regatta this is required for 'Racing' - come on - get in there - see 'Reverse Scoring' above - any wagering on the outcome would be deemed illegal, motivational and add interest and intrigue ! ... -Meals available at AzYC registration including a breakfast! - No Handicap scoring to tax the crews brain power! Run what ya Brung 15's race with 15's 17's race with 17's, and even the rarest Wrinkleboat -23's No spinnakers. No "Measurement", No Handicap, Modifications Encouraged! -Five boats are needed for a class/start.
Some of us did this in the 60's- 70's- 80's- 90's - sailed/raced/partied in the desert in January -we think we had a good time but can't really remember- so we will try again to recreate the moment!
A GREAT TIME TO BE HAD BY ALL ! See link to Arizona Yacht Club Birthday Regatta- _http://arizonayachtclub.org/ayc-2012-leukemia-cup-regatta/_ (http://arizonayachtclub.org/ayc-2012-leukemia-cup-regatta/)
RSVP or for additional Info _-gilasailr@aol.com_ (mailto:-gilasailr@aol.com) Gary Oberbeck
PLEASE Fwd TO ALL WHO MAY BE INTERESTED - THANKS!
I'm making mahogany bulkhead shelves to put on the inside cabin bulkhead. I'm looking for advice on what would be the best glue to use for mahogany. I'll use typical morticed joints and babbet corners and prefer not to use any screws, etc. Thanks much Joe SeaFrog M17
Joe, Any waterproof white or yellow glue. Most are PVA based. Look for a waterproof like Elmer's Carpenters Max. Would love to hear more about your shelf plans or see pics when they are done. Bill Wickett On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 11:51 AM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
I'm making mahogany bulkhead shelves to put on the inside cabin bulkhead. I'm looking for advice on what would be the best glue to use for mahogany. I'll use typical morticed joints and babbet corners and prefer not to use any screws, etc. Thanks much Joe SeaFrog M17
joe: matt, sage marine's woodworking guy, recommends (in order listed) - * west system epoxy or * titebond 3 (used for exterior applications) are you going to bolt/screw through the cabin bulkhead to hand the shelves? :: Dave Scobie :: Sage Marine --- On Wed, 11/16/11, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
I'm making mahogany bulkhead shelves to put on the inside cabin bulkhead. I'm looking for advice on what would be the best glue to use for mahogany. I'll use typical morticed joints and babbet corners and prefer not to use any screws, etc. Thanks much Joe SeaFrog M17
The top of the shelves will have a box to cover the backside of the compass on the port side and the depth gauge on the starboard side. Inside the box I'll use a block attached with JB weld and at the bottom I'll use a french hasp. I'll post pictures when it's all done. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: W David Scobie To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Cc: Matt Thaler Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:08 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wood Glue joe: matt, sage marine's woodworking guy, recommends (in order listed) - * west system epoxy or * titebond 3 (used for exterior applications) are you going to bolt/screw through the cabin bulkhead to hand the shelves? :: Dave Scobie :: Sage Marine --- On Wed, 11/16/11, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
I'm making mahogany bulkhead shelves to put on the inside cabin bulkhead. I'm looking for advice on what would be the best glue to use for mahogany. I'll use typical morticed joints and babbet corners and prefer not to use any screws, etc. Thanks much Joe SeaFrog M17
I've found gorilla glue works pretty good. t On Wed, Nov 16, 2011 at 10:16 AM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
The top of the shelves will have a box to cover the backside of the compass on the port side and the depth gauge on the starboard side. Inside the box I'll use a block attached with JB weld and at the bottom I'll use a french hasp. I'll post pictures when it's all done. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: W David Scobie To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Cc: Matt Thaler Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:08 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wood Glue
joe:
matt, sage marine's woodworking guy, recommends (in order listed) -
* west system epoxy
or
* titebond 3 (used for exterior applications)
are you going to bolt/screw through the cabin bulkhead to hand the shelves?
:: Dave Scobie :: Sage Marine
--- On Wed, 11/16/11, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
> I'm making mahogany bulkhead shelves > to put on the inside cabin bulkhead. I'm looking for > advice on what would be the best glue to use for > mahogany. I'll use typical morticed joints and babbet > corners and prefer not to use any screws, etc. > Thanks much > Joe > SeaFrog M17 >
joe: if i understand your reference to 'JB weld' correctly you are just going to glue a piece of wood to the bulkhead (ie, a butt joint). my concern is that this joint will come apart ... mostly from the abuse our boats experience bouncing on their trailers along the roads and highways. i've thought of installing shelves as you describe to my M17. over and over i've come the following opinion - better - tab your attachment points to the bulkhead using epoxy and fiberglass mat & cloth. best - screw or bolt thru the bulkhead along with tabbing as noted above in 'better'. use oval head fasteners and finishing washers. :: Dave Scobie :: Sage Marine --- On Wed, 11/16/11, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
The top of the shelves will have a box to cover the backside of the compass on the port side and the depth gauge on the starboard side. Inside the box I'll use a block attached with JB weld and at the bottom I'll use a french hasp. I'll post pictures when it's all done. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: W David Scobie Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:08 PM
joe:
matt, sage marine's woodworking guy, recommends (in order listed) -
* west system epoxy
or
* titebond 3 (used for exterior applications)
are you going to bolt/screw through the cabin bulkhead to hand the shelves?
:: Dave Scobie :: Sage Marine
--- On Wed, 11/16/11, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
> I'm making mahogany bulkhead shelves > to put on the inside cabin bulkhead. I'm looking for > advice on what would be the best glue to use for > mahogany. I'll use typical morticed joints and babbet > corners and prefer not to use any screws, etc. > Thanks much > Joe > SeaFrog M17 >
I think Dave is essentially correct, except that if you use oval heads (I don't think you need washers) just bed the shelves in epoxy putty, and the best procedure would be to drill and install the shelves dry and run masking tape around the shelves (on the inside of the bulkhead), then remove the shelves, cleanly spread the epoxy putty using a slight excess, screw the shelves in place, then using a sharp putty knife clean up the excess that's squeezed out, then pull the tape. If you do a clean job there won't be any mess to clean up, but if you can't help being a clumsy fool, the mess can be cleaned up with lacquer thinner. Acetone will clean up the mess but it'll creat another by attacking the gelcoat that the inside of the bulkhead is painted with. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:43 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wood Glue joe: if i understand your reference to 'JB weld' correctly you are just going to glue a piece of wood to the bulkhead (ie, a butt joint). my concern is that this joint will come apart ... mostly from the abuse our boats experience bouncing on their trailers along the roads and highways. i've thought of installing shelves as you describe to my M17. over and over i've come the following opinion - better - tab your attachment points to the bulkhead using epoxy and fiberglass mat & cloth. best - screw or bolt thru the bulkhead along with tabbing as noted above in 'better'. use oval head fasteners and finishing washers. :: Dave Scobie :: Sage Marine --- On Wed, 11/16/11, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
The top of the shelves will have a box to cover the backside of the compass on the port side and the depth gauge on the starboard side. Inside the box I'll use a block attached with JB weld and at the bottom I'll use a french hasp. I'll post pictures when it's all done. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: W David Scobie Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:08 PM
joe:
matt, sage marine's woodworking guy, recommends (in order listed) -
* west system epoxy
or
* titebond 3 (used for exterior applications)
are you going to bolt/screw through the cabin bulkhead to hand the shelves?
:: Dave Scobie :: Sage Marine
--- On Wed, 11/16/11, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
I'm making mahogany bulkhead shelves to put on the inside cabin bulkhead. I'm looking for advice on what would be the best glue to use for mahogany. I'll use typical morticed joints and babbet corners and prefer not to use any screws, etc. Thanks much Joe SeaFrog M17
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When working with epoxy, I keep a bottle of brown cider vinegar handy. It is a very effective, non-flamable solvent for epoxy clean-up. I even use it to make disposable brushes re-usable. Try it! You'll like it. Leif Eriksson -----Original Message----- From: jerry montgomery <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Nov 16, 2011 2:32 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wood Glue I think Dave is essentially correct, except that if you use oval heads (I on't think you need washers) just bed the shelves in epoxy putty, and the est procedure would be to drill and install the shelves dry and run masking ape around the shelves (on the inside of the bulkhead), then remove the helves, cleanly spread the epoxy putty using a slight excess, screw the helves in place, then using a sharp putty knife clean up the excess that's queezed out, then pull the tape. If you do a clean job there won't be any ess to clean up, but if you can't help being a clumsy fool, the mess can be leaned up with lacquer thinner. Acetone will clean up the mess but it'll reat another by attacking the gelcoat that the inside of the bulkhead is ainted with. jerry ---- Original Message ----- rom: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> o: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> ent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:43 AM ubject: Re: M_Boats: Wood Glue oe: if i understand your reference to 'JB weld' correctly you are just going to lue a piece of wood to the bulkhead (ie, a butt joint). my concern is that this joint will come apart ... mostly from the abuse our oats experience bouncing on their trailers along the roads and highways. i've thought of installing shelves as you describe to my M17. over and over 've come the following opinion - better - tab your attachment points to the bulkhead using epoxy and iberglass mat & cloth. best - screw or bolt thru the bulkhead along with tabbing as noted above in better'. use oval head fasteners and finishing washers. : Dave Scobie : Sage Marine --- On Wed, 11/16/11, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote: The top of the shelves will have a box to cover the backside of the compass on the port side and the depth gauge on the starboard side. Inside the box I'll use a block attached with JB weld and at the bottom I'll use a french hasp. I'll post pictures when it's all done. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: W David Scobie Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:08 PM joe: matt, sage marine's woodworking guy, recommends (in order listed) - * west system epoxy or * titebond 3 (used for exterior applications) are you going to bolt/screw through the cabin bulkhead to hand the shelves? :: Dave Scobie :: Sage Marine --- On Wed, 11/16/11, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
I'm making mahogany bulkhead shelves to put on the inside cabin bulkhead. I'm looking for advice on what would be the best glue to use for mahogany. I'll use typical morticed joints and babbet corners and prefer not to use any screws, etc. Thanks much Joe SeaFrog M17
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Does it have to be brown cider vinegar? Is clear OK. Never heard of using vinegar for this kind of work. Just another great thing to add to the list of all the unique and wonderful things that you can do with vinegar. Thanks everyone for all the great advice on the Wood Glue. JOe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: wudnboatlovr@aol.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:27 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wood Glue When working with epoxy, I keep a bottle of brown cider vinegar handy. It is a very effective, non-flamable solvent for epoxy clean-up. I even use it to make disposable brushes re-usable. Try it! You'll like it. Leif Eriksson -----Original Message----- From: jerry montgomery <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Nov 16, 2011 2:32 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wood Glue I think Dave is essentially correct, except that if you use oval heads (I on't think you need washers) just bed the shelves in epoxy putty, and the est procedure would be to drill and install the shelves dry and run masking ape around the shelves (on the inside of the bulkhead), then remove the helves, cleanly spread the epoxy putty using a slight excess, screw the helves in place, then using a sharp putty knife clean up the excess that's queezed out, then pull the tape. If you do a clean job there won't be any ess to clean up, but if you can't help being a clumsy fool, the mess can be leaned up with lacquer thinner. Acetone will clean up the mess but it'll reat another by attacking the gelcoat that the inside of the bulkhead is ainted with. jerry ---- Original Message ----- rom: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> o: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> ent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:43 AM ubject: Re: M_Boats: Wood Glue oe: if i understand your reference to 'JB weld' correctly you are just going to lue a piece of wood to the bulkhead (ie, a butt joint). my concern is that this joint will come apart ... mostly from the abuse our oats experience bouncing on their trailers along the roads and highways. i've thought of installing shelves as you describe to my M17. over and over 've come the following opinion - better - tab your attachment points to the bulkhead using epoxy and iberglass mat & cloth. best - screw or bolt thru the bulkhead along with tabbing as noted above in better'. use oval head fasteners and finishing washers. : Dave Scobie : Sage Marine --- On Wed, 11/16/11, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote: The top of the shelves will have a box to cover the backside of the compass on the port side and the depth gauge on the starboard side. Inside the box I'll use a block attached with JB weld and at the bottom I'll use a french hasp. I'll post pictures when it's all done. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: W David Scobie Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:08 PM joe: matt, sage marine's woodworking guy, recommends (in order listed) - * west system epoxy or * titebond 3 (used for exterior applications) are you going to bolt/screw through the cabin bulkhead to hand the shelves? :: Dave Scobie :: Sage Marine --- On Wed, 11/16/11, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
I'm making mahogany bulkhead shelves to put on the inside cabin bulkhead. I'm looking for advice on what would be the best glue to use for mahogany. I'll use typical morticed joints and babbet corners and prefer not to use any screws, etc. Thanks much Joe SeaFrog M17
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White vinegar has worked fine for me in the past for clean up. I was amazed when it was suggested to me. Nothing like rubbing acetone on your hands and into your bloodstream. Bill On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
Does it have to be brown cider vinegar? Is clear OK. Never heard of using vinegar for this kind of work. Just another great thing to add to the list of all the unique and wonderful things that you can do with vinegar. Thanks everyone for all the great advice on the Wood Glue. JOe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: wudnboatlovr@aol.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:27 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wood Glue
When working with epoxy, I keep a bottle of brown cider vinegar handy. It is a very effective, non-flamable solvent for epoxy clean-up. I even use it to make disposable brushes re-usable. Try it! You'll like it.
Leif Eriksson
-----Original Message----- From: jerry montgomery <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Nov 16, 2011 2:32 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wood Glue
I think Dave is essentially correct, except that if you use oval heads (I on't think you need washers) just bed the shelves in epoxy putty, and the est procedure would be to drill and install the shelves dry and run masking ape around the shelves (on the inside of the bulkhead), then remove the helves, cleanly spread the epoxy putty using a slight excess, screw the helves in place, then using a sharp putty knife clean up the excess that's queezed out, then pull the tape. If you do a clean job there won't be any ess to clean up, but if you can't help being a clumsy fool, the mess can be leaned up with lacquer thinner. Acetone will clean up the mess but it'll reat another by attacking the gelcoat that the inside of the bulkhead is ainted with. jerry ---- Original Message ----- rom: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> o: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> ent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:43 AM ubject: Re: M_Boats: Wood Glue
oe: if i understand your reference to 'JB weld' correctly you are just going to lue a piece of wood to the bulkhead (ie, a butt joint). my concern is that this joint will come apart ... mostly from the abuse our oats experience bouncing on their trailers along the roads and highways. i've thought of installing shelves as you describe to my M17. over and over 've come the following opinion - better - tab your attachment points to the bulkhead using epoxy and iberglass mat & cloth. best - screw or bolt thru the bulkhead along with tabbing as noted above in better'. use oval head fasteners and finishing washers.
: Dave Scobie : Sage Marine --- On Wed, 11/16/11, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote: The top of the shelves will have a box to cover the backside of the compass on the port side and the depth gauge on the starboard side. Inside the box I'll use a block attached with JB weld and at the bottom I'll use a french hasp. I'll post pictures when it's all done. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: W David Scobie Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:08 PM
joe:
matt, sage marine's woodworking guy, recommends (in order listed) -
* west system epoxy
or
* titebond 3 (used for exterior applications)
are you going to bolt/screw through the cabin bulkhead to hand the shelves?
:: Dave Scobie :: Sage Marine
--- On Wed, 11/16/11, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
I'm making mahogany bulkhead shelves to put on the inside cabin bulkhead. I'm looking for advice on what would be the best glue to use for mahogany. I'll use typical morticed joints and babbet corners and prefer not to use any screws, etc. Thanks much Joe SeaFrog M17
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Not that it has anything to do with boats, but white vinegar dissolves hard water deposits in sinks and drains like nothing else. You have to let it soak for a couple of hours, but it takes off anything. I was amazed when I first tried it. No damage and no corrosive chemicals. For places that you can't just fill up, soak a paper towel in vinegar and let it stand where you want to clean. Rick M17 #633 Lynne L On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:34 PM, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
White vinegar has worked fine for me in the past for clean up. I was amazed when it was suggested to me. Nothing like rubbing acetone on your hands and into your bloodstream.
Bill
On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 12:26 PM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
Does it have to be brown cider vinegar? Is clear OK. Never heard of using vinegar for this kind of work. Just another great thing to add to the list of all the unique and wonderful things that you can do with vinegar. Thanks everyone for all the great advice on the Wood Glue. JOe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: wudnboatlovr@aol.com To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Friday, November 18, 2011 6:27 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wood Glue
When working with epoxy, I keep a bottle of brown cider vinegar handy. It is a very effective, non-flamable solvent for epoxy clean-up. I even use it to make disposable brushes re-usable. Try it! You'll like it.
Leif Eriksson
-----Original Message----- From: jerry montgomery <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Nov 16, 2011 2:32 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Wood Glue
I think Dave is essentially correct, except that if you use oval heads (I on't think you need washers) just bed the shelves in epoxy putty, and the est procedure would be to drill and install the shelves dry and run masking ape around the shelves (on the inside of the bulkhead), then remove the helves, cleanly spread the epoxy putty using a slight excess, screw the helves in place, then using a sharp putty knife clean up the excess that's queezed out, then pull the tape. If you do a clean job there won't be any ess to clean up, but if you can't help being a clumsy fool, the mess can be leaned up with lacquer thinner. Acetone will clean up the mess but it'll reat another by attacking the gelcoat that the inside of the bulkhead is ainted with. jerry ---- Original Message ----- rom: "W David Scobie" <wdscobie@yahoo.com> o: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> ent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 10:43 AM ubject: Re: M_Boats: Wood Glue
oe: if i understand your reference to 'JB weld' correctly you are just going to lue a piece of wood to the bulkhead (ie, a butt joint). my concern is that this joint will come apart ... mostly from the abuse our oats experience bouncing on their trailers along the roads and highways. i've thought of installing shelves as you describe to my M17. over and over 've come the following opinion - better - tab your attachment points to the bulkhead using epoxy and iberglass mat & cloth. best - screw or bolt thru the bulkhead along with tabbing as noted above in better'. use oval head fasteners and finishing washers.
: Dave Scobie : Sage Marine --- On Wed, 11/16/11, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote: The top of the shelves will have a box to cover the backside of the compass on the port side and the depth gauge on the starboard side. Inside the box I'll use a block attached with JB weld and at the bottom I'll use a french hasp. I'll post pictures when it's all done. Joe SeaFrog M17 ----- Original Message ----- From: W David Scobie Sent: Wednesday, November 16, 2011 12:08 PM
joe:
matt, sage marine's woodworking guy, recommends (in order listed) -
* west system epoxy
or
* titebond 3 (used for exterior applications)
are you going to bolt/screw through the cabin bulkhead to hand the shelves?
:: Dave Scobie :: Sage Marine
--- On Wed, 11/16/11, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
I'm making mahogany bulkhead shelves to put on the inside cabin bulkhead. I'm looking for advice on what would be the best glue to use for mahogany. I'll use typical morticed joints and babbet corners and prefer not to use any screws, etc. Thanks much Joe SeaFrog M17
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Well, now that I've picked you'all's brains on wood glue.... any suggestions on what best to use to adhere formica to plywood? Or is the contact cement that you normally use OK. Not sure if there are any marine secrets out there. I'm making a combination cabin table/cockpit table/berth extension that I want to top with formica and put a raised wood edge around. Any and all suggestions are welcome. Thanks much, and have a Happy Thanksgiving. Joe SeaFrog M17
I don't claim to know what I'm talking about here, Joe, but I think contact cememt would do fine. It would do a good job of sealing the plywood, which I think would be critical. Dave Scobie- If you see this, why don't you ask Matt, who would have a lot more experience with formica than I do. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 9:35 AM Subject: M_Boats: Wood Glue, part deaux Well, now that I've picked you'all's brains on wood glue.... any suggestions on what best to use to adhere formica to plywood? Or is the contact cement that you normally use OK. Not sure if there are any marine secrets out there. I'm making a combination cabin table/cockpit table/berth extension that I want to top with formica and put a raised wood edge around. Any and all suggestions are welcome. Thanks much, and have a Happy Thanksgiving. Joe SeaFrog M17 -- I am using the free version of SPAMfighter. We are a community of 7 million users fighting spam. SPAMfighter has removed 5857 of my spam emails to date. Get the free SPAMfighter here: http://www.spamfighter.com/len The Professional version does not have this message
joe: matt's with the others that have posted: contact cement will work fine. be sure to use plywood that uses waterproof glue. seal the ends with epoxy. :: Dave Scobie :: Sage Marine --- On Tue, 11/22/11, jerry montgomery <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
I don't claim to know what I'm talking about here, Joe, but I think contact cememt would do fine. It would do a good job of sealing the plywood, which I think would be critical.
Dave Scobie- If you see this, why don't you ask Matt, who would have a lot more experience with formica than I do.
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Joe Murphy" <seagray@embarqmail.com> Sent: Tuesday, November 22, 2011 9:35 AM
Well, now that I've picked you'all's brains on wood glue.... any suggestions on what best to use to adhere formica to plywood? Or is the contact cement that you normally use OK. Not sure if there are any marine secrets out there. I'm making a combination cabin table/cockpit table/berth extension that I want to top with formica and put a raised wood edge around. Any and all suggestions are welcome. Thanks much, and have a Happy Thanksgiving. Joe SeaFrog M17
Joe, you are on the right track with the contact cement, simple and relatively fast. Make sure both sides have tacked up well. Depending on the length of the table set 2 or 3 narrow sticks across the table, set the laminate on top, get it centered over the plywood. Press down the center first, get it stuck down. Lift the laminate on one end, remove the stick underneath and curl the laminate down from the center to the outside, holding the end of the laminate with one hand and smoothing down the top face with the other. Repeat on the other end. If you have an old straight rubber trailer keel roller, or something similar, make sure it is clean and grit free and then roll it slowly across the top face, pressing down. Pay good attention to the edges. I would suggest cutting the plywood a bit oversize, then trim the glued up panel good face up on a table saw. If not and you have trimmed the plywood to finish size, make sure the cut ply edges are smooth for a bearing trim bit to follow smoothly. FYI, plastic laminate can be glued with white PVA, or Titebond type glues, but you would either need a friend with a hot press, or, be able to load up the glued panel with enough weight on a very flat surface. Can also clamp it with cross blocks pressing on a couple of extra inches of panels on each side, making a sandwich. Requires a lot of clamps. Leave overnight. On Tue, Nov 22, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
Well, now that I've picked you'all's brains on wood glue.... any suggestions on what best to use to adhere formica to plywood? Or is the contact cement that you normally use OK. Not sure if there are any marine secrets out there. I'm making a combination cabin table/cockpit table/berth extension that I want to top with formica and put a raised wood edge around. Any and all suggestions are welcome. Thanks much, and have a Happy Thanksgiving. Joe SeaFrog M17
Bill...I sent you a private message Bob
Date: Wed, 16 Nov 2011 09:45:35 -0700 From: whkaiser@gmail.com To: doug_kelch@yahoo.com; montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: WrinkleBoat Ran-Tan 2012 January 13-15 M15s wanted :-)
I checked the Havasu roster and their is a M 15 from Chandler AZ on the list I wonder how to get a hold of them?
Bill
On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 10:01 AM, Doug Kelch <doug_kelch@yahoo.com> wrote:
We have 3 M15s wanting to participate in a great time. We could use a few more boats to get our own start.
It should be a great time as the focus is on the participation and not the winning. It is always fun to sail in close company with similar boats and improve your skills. So come on down for some winter sailing fun.
Lets see if we can get more M15s than M17s :-)
You can overnight on the lake in several protected coves and if we get enough boats who want to do it I will organize an evening raft up and overnight.
The Lake Pleasant Harbor charges about $10 for a car and boat - entrance fee per day. This gets you access to the launch ramps and dry camping on the grounds. The nights in January get pretty cool so if you want to camp or anchor out, bring some woolies.
Quick google search on motels near Lake Pleasant- really only 1 which is about 25 minutes away
Hampton Inn Anthem - Phoenix 42415 N. 41st Drive, Anthem, AZ (623) 465-7979 أ½ آ·
Thanks
Doug Kelch "Seas the Day" M15G #310
________________________________ From: "GILASAILR@aol.com" <GILASAILR@aol.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Cc: gilasailr@aol.com Sent: Monday, November 14, 2011 4:04 PM Subject: M_Boats: WrinkleBoat Ran-Tan 2012 January 13-15 Phoenix ALL invited !
You are cordially invited to the 2012 edition of
WrinkleBoat Ran-Tan and Racing Rendezvous January 13,14,15, 2012 Lake Pleasant ,Arizona (Monday the 16th is Martin Luther King Day -a holiday to help your travel)
- Heads-up racing with other WrinkleBoats of various & interesting backgrounds! Montgomery, Sage and H&M (Hess and Modified) - Scoring -Winner of Regatta presents trophy/accolades/honors to the boat with second highest numerical score! (that is right!) - Proper attire requested. NOT required. - Invitations have been sent to all the 'cool people' for the event of the Season. (You got invited - right!) - Unlimited seating! No Waiting! Warm Desert Sailing in January ! - Leukemia Cup Event for that warm fuzzy feeling to start the New Year! Optional Participation (first Leukemia Cup event of the calendar year! - Pitch In!) -Racing provided by the Arizona Yacht Club (we be a 'subset' of the YC party) -Entry in Birthday Regatta this is required for 'Racing' - come on - get in there - see 'Reverse Scoring' above - any wagering on the outcome would be deemed illegal, motivational and add interest and intrigue ! ... -Meals available at AzYC registration including a breakfast! - No Handicap scoring to tax the crews brain power! Run what ya Brung 15's race with 15's 17's race with 17's, and even the rarest Wrinkleboat -23's No spinnakers. No "Measurement", No Handicap, Modifications Encouraged! -Five boats are needed for a class/start.
Some of us did this in the 60's- 70's- 80's- 90's - sailed/raced/partied in the desert in January -we think we had a good time but can't really remember- so we will try again to recreate the moment!
A GREAT TIME TO BE HAD BY ALL ! See link to Arizona Yacht Club Birthday Regatta- _http://arizonayachtclub.org/ayc-2012-leukemia-cup-regatta/_ (http://arizonayachtclub.org/ayc-2012-leukemia-cup-regatta/)
RSVP or for additional Info _-gilasailr@aol.com_ (mailto:-gilasailr@aol.com) Gary Oberbeck
PLEASE Fwd TO ALL WHO MAY BE INTERESTED - THANKS!
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Bill Kaiser -
Bill Wickett -
Bob Eeg -
Doug Kelch -
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jerry montgomery -
Joe Murphy -
Rick Davies -
Tom Smith -
W David Scobie -
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