Montgomery 15 Trailer Strap
Our 1986 Montgomery 15 came to us on a Trail-Rite trailer. The boat is secured to the trailer with the winch strap at the front and a long strap made from what seems to be seat belt material that goes from the back corners of the trailer up over the boat. The strap attaches to the trailer with hooks sewn onto the strap and is tensioned in the middle with a metal "buckle". The buckle allows the strap to be adjusted to about the right length and then tensions the strap my flipping over with a lever. The strap is starting to cut through where it goes over the wrinkles on the side of the boat. I'd like to get the very same thing to buy new because it works well, but am not having luck with online searches. There are too many similar things and have no idea the best terminology to use in my searches. I could just get new seat belt strap material and use the old buckle and hooks, but don't have a good way to sew the hooks on to it. Does anyone know where I could get a whole new strap with hooks and "buckle"? Thanks! David GrahBishop California
David. I've used ratchet straps in my M17 and M15 both ride/rode on Trail-Rite trailers. Hardware and automotive stores carry them. Be careful not to overtighten as you can crush the hull - seen it! (Not on my boats though.) :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com On Sun, May 13, 2018, 8:18 AM David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Our 1986 Montgomery 15 came to us on a Trail-Rite trailer. The boat is secured to the trailer with the winch strap at the front and a long strap made from what seems to be seat belt material that goes from the back corners of the trailer up over the boat. The strap attaches to the trailer with hooks sewn onto the strap and is tensioned in the middle with a metal "buckle". The buckle allows the strap to be adjusted to about the right length and then tensions the strap my flipping over with a lever.
The strap is starting to cut through where it goes over the wrinkles on the side of the boat. I'd like to get the very same thing to buy new because it works well, but am not having luck with online searches. There are too many similar things and have no idea the best terminology to use in my searches. I could just get new seat belt strap material and use the old buckle and hooks, but don't have a good way to sew the hooks on to it. Does anyone know where I could get a whole new strap with hooks and "buckle"? Thanks!
David GrahBishop California
Hi David, What you are looking for are " tie-down straps" that every auto parts store should carry. LOWES or HOME DEPOT should have them too. They are also standard items at places like WEST Marine and Defender Marine. They come in various lengths and widths, as well as load capacity; with hooks attached at the ends; some, such as the ones I used, have a ratchet type of tensioner, which works very well. People that own pickup trucks use them to tie down loads. Lawn service people use them to fasten their machines in their trailer. To solve your strap wear area problem, I used some old carpet strips under the tie down strap to prevent chafe. I used a tie down strap at the bow in addition to the winch strap to the bow eye, and a second one across the cockpit so that the M15 couldn't bounce on the trailer If you go to any carpet store, they will almost certainly have a box of all sorts of "ends" - the carpet left-overs that remain after they have cut carpets to size for a customer somewhere out in their shop. They charge very little for these remnants, and they make great chafing gear as the strap goes over the gunwale of the boat and past the upper wrinkles. My strips were about 6" wide, and about 30" long. At each end I cut a slit so I could feed the tie-down strap through the piece of carpet - keeping the chafe gear in place on the tie down strap. If you don't do that you run the risk of loosing your chafe gear if the strap loosens while on the road. Carpet pieces can also be used to support your outboard on the cabin sole. If there is an oil drop spot from the outboard, it is in the carpet, which is easy to replace, and not in a boat cushion. I also used them on the mast at the bow pulpit, and in the mast crutch to protect against chafe. See WEST Marine Catalog: Working load 3,300 lbs; max load 10,000 lbs. 15542525.jpg MASTER LOCK <https://www.westmarine.com/master-lock> 2" W X 27' L Ratcheting Tie-Down Rated 0 out of 5 stars No ReviewsWrite the First Review <https://www.westmarine.com/writeReview?pr_page_id=15542525&pr_page_id_variant=15542525&pr_merchant_id=7753&pr_api_key=64a37014-4f0f-4a0b-ab15-d030e3f28717&pr_merchant_group_id=12062> Ask a Question <https://www.westmarine.com/writeReview?pr_page_id=15542525&pr_page_id_variant=15542525&pr_merchant_id=7753&pr_api_key=64a37014-4f0f-4a0b-ab15-d030e3f28717&pr_merchant_group_id=12062&appName=askQuestion> $39.99 Won't Be Beat – Price Match Guarantee! If you find a lower price, we'll match it! Call 1-800-BOATING *Free Shipping* to Store – + In stock online. Add to My List Find in Store Model # 15542525 | Mfg # 3059DATSC | UPC # 71649221699 Happy sailing, Connie On 5/13/2018 10:17 AM, David Grah via montgomery_boats wrote:
Our 1986 Montgomery 15 came to us on a Trail-Rite trailer. The boat is secured to the trailer with the winch strap at the front and a long strap made from what seems to be seat belt material that goes from the back corners of the trailer up over the boat. The strap attaches to the trailer with hooks sewn onto the strap and is tensioned in the middle with a metal "buckle". The buckle allows the strap to be adjusted to about the right length and then tensions the strap my flipping over with a lever.
The strap is starting to cut through where it goes over the wrinkles on the side of the boat. I'd like to get the very same thing to buy new because it works well, but am not having luck with online searches. There are too many similar things and have no idea the best terminology to use in my searches. I could just get new seat belt strap material and use the old buckle and hooks, but don't have a good way to sew the hooks on to it. Does anyone know where I could get a whole new strap with hooks and "buckle"? Thanks!
David GrahBishop California
David, I have the exact strap style you mention in your post, but for my powerboat. I'm sure I got it from West Marine (since there's no one else close) in the mid-00s, but it doesn't seem they carry it any longer. Amazon lists several of these "gunwale tie downs" but none seem to be rated very highly by their buyers. The approach Connie suggests might be simpler for you. Good luck. John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee" On 5/13/2018 11:58 AM, Conbert Benneck wrote:
Hi David,
What you are looking for are " tie-down straps" that every auto parts store should carry. LOWES or HOME DEPOT should have them too. They are also standard items at places like WEST Marine and Defender Marine.
They come in various lengths and widths, as well as load capacity; with hooks attached at the ends; some, such as the ones I used, have a ratchet type of tensioner, which works very well. People that own pickup trucks use them to tie down loads. Lawn service people use them to fasten their machines in their trailer.
To solve your strap wear area problem, I used some old carpet strips under the tie down strap to prevent chafe.
I used a tie down strap at the bow in addition to the winch strap to the bow eye, and a second one across the cockpit so that the M15 couldn't bounce on the trailer
If you go to any carpet store, they will almost certainly have a box of all sorts of "ends" - the carpet left-overs that remain after they have cut carpets to size for a customer somewhere out in their shop. They charge very little for these remnants, and they make great chafing gear as the strap goes over the gunwale of the boat and past the upper wrinkles.
My strips were about 6" wide, and about 30" long. At each end I cut a slit so I could feed the tie-down strap through the piece of carpet - keeping the chafe gear in place on the tie down strap. If you don't do that you run the risk of loosing your chafe gear if the strap loosens while on the road.
Carpet pieces can also be used to support your outboard on the cabin sole. If there is an oil drop spot from the outboard, it is in the carpet, which is easy to replace, and not in a boat cushion.
I also used them on the mast at the bow pulpit, and in the mast crutch to protect against chafe.
See WEST Marine Catalog: Working load 3,300 lbs; max load 10,000 lbs.
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On 5/13/2018 10:17 AM, David Grah via montgomery_boats wrote:
Our 1986 Montgomery 15 came to us on a Trail-Rite trailer. The boat is secured to the trailer with the winch strap at the front and a long strap made from what seems to be seat belt material that goes from the back corners of the trailer up over the boat. The strap attaches to the trailer with hooks sewn onto the strap and is tensioned in the middle with a metal "buckle". The buckle allows the strap to be adjusted to about the right length and then tensions the strap my flipping over with a lever.
The strap is starting to cut through where it goes over the wrinkles on the side of the boat. I'd like to get the very same thing to buy new because it works well, but am not having luck with online searches. There are too many similar things and have no idea the best terminology to use in my searches. I could just get new seat belt strap material and use the old buckle and hooks, but don't have a good way to sew the hooks on to it. Does anyone know where I could get a whole new strap with hooks and "buckle"? Thanks!
David GrahBishop California
P.S. It looks like the BoatBuckle brand on Amazon is more highly rated than those I was first seeing. On 5/13/2018 12:09 PM, John Tyner wrote:
David, I have the exact strap style you mention in your post, but for my powerboat. I'm sure I got it from West Marine (since there's no one else close) in the mid-00s, but it doesn't seem they carry it any longer. Amazon lists several of these "gunwale tie downs" but none seem to be rated very highly by their buyers. The approach Connie suggests might be simpler for you. Good luck.
John Tyner
M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee"
On 5/13/2018 11:58 AM, Conbert Benneck wrote:
Hi David,
What you are looking for are " tie-down straps" that every auto parts store should carry. LOWES or HOME DEPOT should have them too. They are also standard items at places like WEST Marine and Defender Marine.
They come in various lengths and widths, as well as load capacity; with hooks attached at the ends; some, such as the ones I used, have a ratchet type of tensioner, which works very well. People that own pickup trucks use them to tie down loads. Lawn service people use them to fasten their machines in their trailer.
To solve your strap wear area problem, I used some old carpet strips under the tie down strap to prevent chafe.
I used a tie down strap at the bow in addition to the winch strap to the bow eye, and a second one across the cockpit so that the M15 couldn't bounce on the trailer
If you go to any carpet store, they will almost certainly have a box of all sorts of "ends" - the carpet left-overs that remain after they have cut carpets to size for a customer somewhere out in their shop. They charge very little for these remnants, and they make great chafing gear as the strap goes over the gunwale of the boat and past the upper wrinkles.
My strips were about 6" wide, and about 30" long. At each end I cut a slit so I could feed the tie-down strap through the piece of carpet - keeping the chafe gear in place on the tie down strap. If you don't do that you run the risk of loosing your chafe gear if the strap loosens while on the road.
Carpet pieces can also be used to support your outboard on the cabin sole. If there is an oil drop spot from the outboard, it is in the carpet, which is easy to replace, and not in a boat cushion.
I also used them on the mast at the bow pulpit, and in the mast crutch to protect against chafe.
See WEST Marine Catalog: Working load 3,300 lbs; max load 10,000 lbs.
15542525.jpg
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On 5/13/2018 10:17 AM, David Grah via montgomery_boats wrote:
Our 1986 Montgomery 15 came to us on a Trail-Rite trailer. The boat is secured to the trailer with the winch strap at the front and a long strap made from what seems to be seat belt material that goes from the back corners of the trailer up over the boat. The strap attaches to the trailer with hooks sewn onto the strap and is tensioned in the middle with a metal "buckle". The buckle allows the strap to be adjusted to about the right length and then tensions the strap my flipping over with a lever.
The strap is starting to cut through where it goes over the wrinkles on the side of the boat. I'd like to get the very same thing to buy new because it works well, but am not having luck with online searches. There are too many similar things and have no idea the best terminology to use in my searches. I could just get new seat belt strap material and use the old buckle and hooks, but don't have a good way to sew the hooks on to it. Does anyone know where I could get a whole new strap with hooks and "buckle"? Thanks!
David GrahBishop California
Talk with either a shoe repair shop or an upholster. I think either should be able to do it Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Sunday, May 13, 2018, David Grah via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Our 1986 Montgomery 15 came to us on a Trail-Rite trailer. The boat is secured to the trailer with the winch strap at the front and a long strap made from what seems to be seat belt material that goes from the back corners of the trailer up over the boat. The strap attaches to the trailer with hooks sewn onto the strap and is tensioned in the middle with a metal "buckle". The buckle allows the strap to be adjusted to about the right length and then tensions the strap my flipping over with a lever. The strap is starting to cut through where it goes over the wrinkles on the side of the boat. I'd like to get the very same thing to buy new because it works well, but am not having luck with online searches. There are too many similar things and have no idea the best terminology to use in my searches. I could just get new seat belt strap material and use the old buckle and hooks, but don't have a good way to sew the hooks on to it. Does anyone know where I could get a whole new strap with hooks and "buckle"? Thanks! David GrahBishop California
Back when I trailered Coyote (FD17-69 - Hi, Jerry), I used a piece of tri-folded towel over each side of the metal toe rail where the tie-down strap ran across and down to the trailer near the taillights. This protected the anodized rail and held the strap away from the gel coat as it ran down the boatsides. Using the towel protectors, the strap cleared the side of the boat by 2-3 inches. John - Tucson -----Original Message----- From: eisenee--- via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sun, May 13, 2018 12:52 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Trailer Strap Talk with either a shoe repair shop or an upholster. I think either should be able to do it Sent from AOL Mobile Mail Get the new AOL app: mail.mobile.aol.com On Sunday, May 13, 2018, David Grah via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: Our 1986 Montgomery 15 came to us on a Trail-Rite trailer. The boat is secured to the trailer with the winch strap at the front and a long strap made from what seems to be seat belt material that goes from the back corners of the trailer up over the boat. The strap attaches to the trailer with hooks sewn onto the strap and is tensioned in the middle with a metal "buckle". The buckle allows the strap to be adjusted to about the right length and then tensions the strap my flipping over with a lever. The strap is starting to cut through where it goes over the wrinkles on the side of the boat. I'd like to get the very same thing to buy new because it works well, but am not having luck with online searches. There are too many similar things and have no idea the best terminology to use in my searches. I could just get new seat belt strap material and use the old buckle and hooks, but don't have a good way to sew the hooks on to it. Does anyone know where I could get a whole new strap with hooks and "buckle"? Thanks! David GrahBishop California
Thanks to all the good suggestions for good solutions to my failing trailer strap. As if by magic, buried in the results from another internet search, I found the exact strap I have now. The strap is https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001F0MOD0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?i.... It was a little hard to tell if it was what I was looking for with the description and photo on Amazon but, when I got it, it proved to be an exact match to my old one. Not sure if this is the right solution for everyone but I am happy to be able to replace my strap with new! David Grah From: David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> To: For and About Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 8:17 AM Subject: Montgomery 15 Trailer Strap Our 1986 Montgomery 15 came to us on a Trail-Rite trailer. The boat is secured to the trailer with the winch strap at the front and a long strap made from what seems to be seat belt material that goes from the back corners of the trailer up over the boat. The strap attaches to the trailer with hooks sewn onto the strap and is tensioned in the middle with a metal "buckle". The buckle allows the strap to be adjusted to about the right length and then tensions the strap my flipping over with a lever. The strap is starting to cut through where it goes over the wrinkles on the side of the boat. I'd like to get the very same thing to buy new because it works well, but am not having luck with online searches. There are too many similar things and have no idea the best terminology to use in my searches. I could just get new seat belt strap material and use the old buckle and hooks, but don't have a good way to sew the hooks on to it. Does anyone know where I could get a whole new strap with hooks and "buckle"? Thanks! David GrahBishop California
I've trailed my FD17 from Lake Havasu, AZ to northern MI and all around the UP strapless :) No problems/issues/sketchiness yet... Haven't encountered any huge unexpected potholes though either. Tim petoskey, mi On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 12:42 AM, David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Thanks to all the good suggestions for good solutions to my failing trailer strap. As if by magic, buried in the results from another internet search, I found the exact strap I have now. The strap is https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001F0MOD0/ref=oh_aui_ detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1. It was a little hard to tell if it was what I was looking for with the description and photo on Amazon but, when I got it, it proved to be an exact match to my old one. Not sure if this is the right solution for everyone but I am happy to be able to replace my strap with new! David Grah
From: David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> To: For and About Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman. xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 8:17 AM Subject: Montgomery 15 Trailer Strap
Our 1986 Montgomery 15 came to us on a Trail-Rite trailer. The boat is secured to the trailer with the winch strap at the front and a long strap made from what seems to be seat belt material that goes from the back corners of the trailer up over the boat. The strap attaches to the trailer with hooks sewn onto the strap and is tensioned in the middle with a metal "buckle". The buckle allows the strap to be adjusted to about the right length and then tensions the strap my flipping over with a lever.
The strap is starting to cut through where it goes over the wrinkles on the side of the boat. I'd like to get the very same thing to buy new because it works well, but am not having luck with online searches. There are too many similar things and have no idea the best terminology to use in my searches. I could just get new seat belt strap material and use the old buckle and hooks, but don't have a good way to sew the hooks on to it. Does anyone know where I could get a whole new strap with hooks and "buckle"? Thanks!
David GrahBishop California
I think a strap is needed when using the old Trail-Rite trailers as the boat keel is resting on just that one roller - on big hit and the boat could shift and the keel fall onto the frame. For a Pacific trailer IMO a strap isn't needed as there is a full keel bunk with side-guides keeping the boat from shifting port or starboard. I just tie lines from the stern cleats to the aft corners of the frame. The Pacific trailers also have a safety chain in addition to a winch. The Trail-Rite trailers don't, in my experience, have a safety chain as not required when they were built so long ago. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com On Thu, May 17, 2018, 6:48 AM Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi@esnm.us> wrote:
I've trailed my FD17 from Lake Havasu, AZ to northern MI and all around the UP strapless :) No problems/issues/sketchiness yet... Haven't encountered any huge unexpected potholes though either.
Tim petoskey, mi
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 12:42 AM, David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Thanks to all the good suggestions for good solutions to my failing trailer strap. As if by magic, buried in the results from another internet search, I found the exact strap I have now. The strap is https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001F0MOD0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?i.... It was a little hard to tell if it was what I was looking for with the description and photo on Amazon but, when I got it, it proved to be an exact match to my old one.
Not sure if this is the right solution for everyone but I am happy to be
able to replace my strap with new!
David Grah
I did buy a Pacific trailer from Bob E when I picked up the boat several years ago now due to the extreme shabby/home-built look to the trailer it came with. I agree totally with Dave! Tim On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 10:04 AM, Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
I think a strap is needed when using the old Trail-Rite trailers as the boat keel is resting on just that one roller - on big hit and the boat could shift and the keel fall onto the frame.
For a Pacific trailer IMO a strap isn't needed as there is a full keel bunk with side-guides keeping the boat from shifting port or starboard. I just tie lines from the stern cleats to the aft corners of the frame.
The Pacific trailers also have a safety chain in addition to a winch. The Trail-Rite trailers don't, in my experience, have a safety chain as not required when they were built so long ago.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Thu, May 17, 2018, 6:48 AM Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi@esnm.us> wrote:
I've trailed my FD17 from Lake Havasu, AZ to northern MI and all around the UP strapless :) No problems/issues/sketchiness yet... Haven't encountered any huge unexpected potholes though either.
Tim petoskey, mi
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 12:42 AM, David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Thanks to all the good suggestions for good solutions to my failing trailer strap. As if by magic, buried in the results from another internet search, I found the exact strap I have now. The strap is https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001F0MOD0/ref=oh_aui_ detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1. It was a little hard to tell if it was what I was looking for with the description and photo on Amazon but, when I got it, it proved to be an exact match to my old one.
Not sure if this is the right solution for everyone but I am happy to be
able to replace my strap with new!
David Grah
Have trailed my M-15 on the original 1985 Trail Rite Trailer from Lake Couer D'Alene in N. Idaho to Fern Ridge in Oregon an back then more recently across the Washington State to South Puget Sound and have kept it snug on the trailer with a simple 1/2 inch mooring line tied from the port side rail of the trailer snugly over the stern to the starboard side and have had no problems. Have always removed the kicker motor to take that weight off the stern and trailer. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2018 7:04 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Montgomery 15 Trailer Strap I think a strap is needed when using the old Trail-Rite trailers as the boat keel is resting on just that one roller - on big hit and the boat could shift and the keel fall onto the frame. For a Pacific trailer IMO a strap isn't needed as there is a full keel bunk with side-guides keeping the boat from shifting port or starboard. I just tie lines from the stern cleats to the aft corners of the frame. The Pacific trailers also have a safety chain in addition to a winch. The Trail-Rite trailers don't, in my experience, have a safety chain as not required when they were built so long ago. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com On Thu, May 17, 2018, 6:48 AM Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi@esnm.us> wrote:
I've trailed my FD17 from Lake Havasu, AZ to northern MI and all around the UP strapless :) No problems/issues/sketchiness yet... Haven't encountered any huge unexpected potholes though either.
Tim petoskey, mi
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 12:42 AM, David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Thanks to all the good suggestions for good solutions to my failing trailer strap. As if by magic, buried in the results from another internet search, I found the exact strap I have now. The strap is https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001F0MOD0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?i.... It was a little hard to tell if it was what I was looking for with the description and photo on Amazon but, when I got it, it proved to be an exact match to my old one.
Not sure if this is the right solution for everyone but I am happy to be
able to replace my strap with new!
David Grah
I'll add to my prior email - If you use a strap that goes over the cockpit combings don't over-tighten! You can crush and damage the boat. Seen this on a few M17s. Go just snug not gorilla tight!! (I wrote similar to above in another email in this discussion but with all the recent talk of boat flying off trailers in wanted to resend.) :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com On Thu, May 17, 2018, 7:04 AM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
I think a strap is needed when using the old Trail-Rite trailers as the boat keel is resting on just that one roller - on big hit and the boat could shift and the keel fall onto the frame.
For a Pacific trailer IMO a strap isn't needed as there is a full keel bunk with side-guides keeping the boat from shifting port or starboard. I just tie lines from the stern cleats to the aft corners of the frame.
The Pacific trailers also have a safety chain in addition to a winch. The Trail-Rite trailers don't, in my experience, have a safety chain as not required when they were built so long ago.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com
On Thu, May 17, 2018, 6:48 AM Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi@esnm.us> wrote:
I've trailed my FD17 from Lake Havasu, AZ to northern MI and all around the UP strapless :) No problems/issues/sketchiness yet... Haven't encountered any huge unexpected potholes though either.
Tim petoskey, mi
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 12:42 AM, David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Thanks to all the good suggestions for good solutions to my failing trailer strap. As if by magic, buried in the results from another internet search, I found the exact strap I have now. The strap is https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001F0MOD0/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o00_s00?i.... It was a little hard to tell if it was what I was looking for with the description and photo on Amazon but, when I got it, it proved to be an exact match to my old one.
Not sure if this is the right solution for everyone but I am happy to be
able to replace my strap with new!
David Grah
Besides the obvious extra security of keeping the boat on the trailer, strapping it down can also prevent damage/deflection of the hull when going over bumps and potholes. The boat can bounce up off the trailer if not strapped down and the bunk boards can deflect or damage the hull. My VN23 is admittedly not as strongly built as the Montgomery but I do have cracks in the hull liner caused, I believe, by the hull deflecting as it bounced on the trailer before I figured out I needed to strap her down. Henry Monica On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 8:48 AM Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi@esnm.us> wrote:
I've trailed my FD17 from Lake Havasu, AZ to northern MI and all around the UP strapless :) No problems/issues/sketchiness yet... Haven't encountered any huge unexpected potholes though either.
Tim petoskey, mi
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 12:42 AM, David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Thanks to all the good suggestions for good solutions to my failing trailer strap. As if by magic, buried in the results from another internet search, I found the exact strap I have now. The strap is https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001F0MOD0/ref=oh_aui_ detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1. It was a little hard to tell if it was what I was looking for with the description and photo on Amazon but, when I got it, it proved to be an exact match to my old one. Not sure if this is the right solution for everyone but I am happy to be able to replace my strap with new! David Grah
From: David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> To: For and About Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman. xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 8:17 AM Subject: Montgomery 15 Trailer Strap
Our 1986 Montgomery 15 came to us on a Trail-Rite trailer. The boat is secured to the trailer with the winch strap at the front and a long strap made from what seems to be seat belt material that goes from the back corners of the trailer up over the boat. The strap attaches to the trailer with hooks sewn onto the strap and is tensioned in the middle with a metal "buckle". The buckle allows the strap to be adjusted to about the right length and then tensions the strap my flipping over with a lever.
The strap is starting to cut through where it goes over the wrinkles on the side of the boat. I'd like to get the very same thing to buy new because it works well, but am not having luck with online searches. There are too many similar things and have no idea the best terminology to use in my searches. I could just get new seat belt strap material and use the old buckle and hooks, but don't have a good way to sew the hooks on to it. Does anyone know where I could get a whole new strap with hooks and "buckle"? Thanks!
David GrahBishop California
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Depending on what state you are driving through...it may be technically illegal to *not* have tie-down straps. They are required by law in some states. I use one strap each side that hooks onto the extruded toe rail on my M17, just about amidships where everything is strongest. I take the slack out, snug them down, no tighter. Just to keep the boat on the bunks if I hit any major bumps. cheers, John S. On 05/17/2018 06:48 AM, Timothy JarviMD wrote:
I've trailed my FD17 from Lake Havasu, AZ to northern MI and all around the UP strapless :) No problems/issues/sketchiness yet... Haven't encountered any huge unexpected potholes though either.
Tim petoskey, mi
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 12:42 AM, David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Thanks to all the good suggestions for good solutions to my failing trailer strap. As if by magic, buried in the results from another internet search, I found the exact strap I have now. The strap is https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001F0MOD0/ref=oh_aui_ detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1. It was a little hard to tell if it was what I was looking for with the description and photo on Amazon but, when I got it, it proved to be an exact match to my old one. Not sure if this is the right solution for everyone but I am happy to be able to replace my strap with new! David Grah
From: David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> To: For and About Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman. xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 8:17 AM Subject: Montgomery 15 Trailer Strap
Our 1986 Montgomery 15 came to us on a Trail-Rite trailer. The boat is secured to the trailer with the winch strap at the front and a long strap made from what seems to be seat belt material that goes from the back corners of the trailer up over the boat. The strap attaches to the trailer with hooks sewn onto the strap and is tensioned in the middle with a metal "buckle". The buckle allows the strap to be adjusted to about the right length and then tensions the strap my flipping over with a lever.
The strap is starting to cut through where it goes over the wrinkles on the side of the boat. I'd like to get the very same thing to buy new because it works well, but am not having luck with online searches. There are too many similar things and have no idea the best terminology to use in my searches. I could just get new seat belt strap material and use the old buckle and hooks, but don't have a good way to sew the hooks on to it. Does anyone know where I could get a whole new strap with hooks and "buckle"? Thanks!
David GrahBishop California
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Re towing without strapping it down: We have a friend who saw a canoe launched off the roof of a car in a wreck. It went some distance, then through the windshield of another car, severely hurting a little girl. The lesson learned is that one should think of worst-case scenario's--like a wreck, sudden stopping, fast swerving-and never tow a boat without securing it at the bow eye, and strapping it down securely across the gunwales to the trailer, and/or the transom, depending on the boat. The books for safety say the bow eye should be secured with a turnbuckle, etc., not the retrieving strap, cable, or rope. We have found that the bow eye will usually accommodate both a turnbuckle hook and the strap hook. Burt (Down to a little Monty 12) Sent from my iPhone
On May 17, 2018, at 9:48 AM, Timothy JarviMD <tjarvi@esnm.us> wrote:
I've trailed my FD17 from Lake Havasu, AZ to northern MI and all around the UP strapless :) No problems/issues/sketchiness yet... Haven't encountered any huge unexpected potholes though either.
Tim petoskey, mi
On Thu, May 17, 2018 at 12:42 AM, David Grah via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Thanks to all the good suggestions for good solutions to my failing trailer strap. As if by magic, buried in the results from another internet search, I found the exact strap I have now. The strap is https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B001F0MOD0/ref=oh_aui_ detailpage_o00_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1. It was a little hard to tell if it was what I was looking for with the description and photo on Amazon but, when I got it, it proved to be an exact match to my old one. Not sure if this is the right solution for everyone but I am happy to be able to replace my strap with new! David Grah
From: David Grah <d_b_grah@yahoo.com> To: For and About Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman. xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, May 13, 2018 8:17 AM Subject: Montgomery 15 Trailer Strap
Our 1986 Montgomery 15 came to us on a Trail-Rite trailer. The boat is secured to the trailer with the winch strap at the front and a long strap made from what seems to be seat belt material that goes from the back corners of the trailer up over the boat. The strap attaches to the trailer with hooks sewn onto the strap and is tensioned in the middle with a metal "buckle". The buckle allows the strap to be adjusted to about the right length and then tensions the strap my flipping over with a lever.
The strap is starting to cut through where it goes over the wrinkles on the side of the boat. I'd like to get the very same thing to buy new because it works well, but am not having luck with online searches. There are too many similar things and have no idea the best terminology to use in my searches. I could just get new seat belt strap material and use the old buckle and hooks, but don't have a good way to sew the hooks on to it. Does anyone know where I could get a whole new strap with hooks and "buckle"? Thanks!
David GrahBishop California
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Burton Lowry -
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David Grah -
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Henry Rodriguez -
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Steve Trapp -
Timothy JarviMD