Dave, Thanks for the reply, Looking at the profile for a NACA 12 foil My rudder does need some reshaping. I just acquired this boat in the spring and all the wood on the boat was in really rough shape, It made me nervous the amount of wood I took off with sand paper. The leading edge of the rudder is square and with out much curve until it tapers at the trailing edge. This may be a replacement by the previous owner. There will soon be two more M-17's joining the flotilla where I moor my boat so I will wait until I can get an eyeball on one of them before making any changes. After sailing in 15-20 kt wind with a reefed main and working jib ( 105 % ) I cannot keep the boat from rounding up in any gust, I am playing with adjusting the rake of the mast and have gained some improvement but still looking for better response. Again, Thank you, I will stay tuned ! Kevin ________________________________ From: montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com> on behalf of montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com <montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 1:00 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 184, Issue 7 Send montgomery_boats mailing list submissions to montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit https://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to montgomery_boats-request@mailman.xmission.com You can reach the person managing the list at montgomery_boats-owner@mailman.xmission.com When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of montgomery_boats digest..." Today's Topics: 1. Rudder Craft Kick Up Rudder (Kevin Sandwick) 2. Re: Rudder Craft Kick Up Rudder (Dave Scobie) 3. Re: Rudder Craft Kick Up Rudder (Bill Dixon) 4. Re: Rudder Craft Kick Up Rudder (Dave Scobie) 5. Re: Rudder Craft Kick Up Rudder (Gerald Wolczanski) 6. Re: Rudder Craft Kick Up Rudder (Dave Scobie) 7. Re: Rudder Craft Kick Up Rudder (swwheatley@comcast.net) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 14:13:53 +0000 From: Kevin Sandwick <ksandwick@hotmail.com> To: "montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: Rudder Craft Kick Up Rudder Message-ID: <DM3PR16MB06821E703EBA901E9341A0C5AA7F0@DM3PR16MB0682.namprd16.prod.outlook.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Just curious, Is anybody using the Rudder Craft High Performance Kick Up Rudder on an M-17 ? Not an inexpensive modification. Any thoughts? Thanks Kevin ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:19:31 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Rudder Craft Kick Up Rudder Message-ID: <CAGjBOA7BrRYbRr7ZUiqAYHPM0ZnSMdyhc57PFxdyoDOemk3Lyw@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" The solid mahogany one piece rudders that Jerry made are very good and not at all prone to failure. In the 'up' position they are higher than the keel (centerboard up). If you believe the rudder shape isn't right look online for a NACA12 foil and make a template to confirm the shape of your boat's. Very easy to refine the shape on a nice piece of wood. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 7:14 AM Kevin Sandwick <ksandwick@hotmail.com> wrote:

Just curious, Is anybody using the Rudder Craft High Performance Kick Up Rudder on an M-17 ?

Not an inexpensive modification. Any thoughts?

Thanks

Kevin

------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 07:57:01 -0700 From: "Bill Dixon" <bill@miralee.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Rudder Craft Kick Up Rudder Message-ID: <003b01d4025d$9f0c1410$dd243c30$@miralee.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" What is the best way to place and hold the mahogany rudder in its UP position? Bill M-17 Robbin Windsor, CA -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Dave Scobie Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 7:20 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Rudder Craft Kick Up Rudder The solid mahogany one piece rudders that Jerry made are very good and not at all prone to failure. In the 'up' position they are higher than the keel (centerboard up). If you believe the rudder shape isn't right look online for a NACA12 foil and make a template to confirm the shape of your boat's. Very easy to refine the shape on a nice piece of wood. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 7:14 AM Kevin Sandwick <ksandwick@hotmail.com> wrote:

Just curious, Is anybody using the Rudder Craft High Performance Kick Up Rudder on an M-17 ?

Not an inexpensive modification. Any thoughts?

Thanks

Kevin

------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Tue, 12 Jun 2018 08:10:39 -0700 From: Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Rudder Craft Kick Up Rudder Message-ID: <CAGjBOA7TZEQ-yR6ETTQntc9GG=azC_kO7GxkfSXq_fMTnLUu5g@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Bill. A line should be there at the transom that goes through a hole in the rudder. Line on the second generation decks goes through the hull deck joint (held there with an 8-knot) down through the rudder and up to a cleat on the transom. On the original decks the line is dead-ended on an eye bolt on the transom; cleat the same. Pull line up to pull up rudder and secure in cleat. simple and easy. A picture attached just taken here at Washington State Fort Flagler State Park where I am on a buoy. You can also see a transom picture that shows the system on my BLOG linked below (it is the top banner picture on the site). Need more details let me know. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 7:57 AM Bill Dixon <bill@miralee.com> wrote:

What is the best way to place and hold the mahogany rudder in its UP position?

Bill M-17 Robbin Windsor, CA

-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Dave Scobie Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2018 7:20 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Rudder Craft Kick Up Rudder

The solid mahogany one piece rudders that Jerry made are very good and not at all prone to failure. In the 'up' position they are higher than the keel (centerboard up).

If you believe the rudder shape isn't right look online for a NACA12 foil and make a template to confirm the shape of your boat's. Very easy to refine the shape on a nice piece of wood.

:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com

On Tue, Jun 12, 2018, 7:14 AM Kevin Sandwick <ksandwick@hotmail.com> wrote:

...

Just curious, Is anybody using the Rudder Craft High Performance Kick Up Rudder on an M-17 ?

Not an inexpensive modification. Any thoughts?

Thanks

Kevin