Yeah, but Bill S., the problem with those 20 foot + boats is that they are not easily trailerable. I've got the money for a marina slot, but I'm cheap. I toyed with the idea of getting an Ultimate 20 -- light, fast, good interior for weekending -- but reading that it was a 45 minute process to rig it quickly disabused me of that notion. J-Boats needs to make an 18 foot trailerable; I vote for a mini J-22. Until then, I'm happy with my M-15 (15-20 minutes to rig, and no excitement raising and lowering the mast). John Bella (M-15, 628) La Jolla, CA