Bonnie. You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit. Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new. Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than the foam! Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a polystyrene block this method may be cheaper :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or amout of foam to buy? Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka
Bonnie, There is also the pour in foam. It is strong, and closed cell. The problem is that you will never get it out, or have access behind it. I'm putting some in a dingy under the bow and rear seat, but it is very expensive. We have big blocks of foam for sale here as part of dock systems. I think any place with a lake and docks would be able to tell you a local supply for those blocks of foam. You can make a pattern with pieces of cardboard taped together, transfer the profile to the foam. Burt On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:40 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Bonnie.
You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit.
Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new.
Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than the foam!
Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a polystyrene block this method may be cheaper
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or amout of foam to buy? Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka
You can also get various kinds of foam in 4x8 sheets and sometimes 2x4 and 4x4 also, from your local building supply (sold as insulating foam, you don't need the highest insulation value per inch so the cheapest that is closed cell will do). Typical thicknesses are from 1" to 4" - cut pieces to fit; glue together (waterproof construction adhesive from building supply) into blocks if desired. cheers, John S. On 09/05/2018 11:08 AM, Burton Lowry wrote:
Bonnie,
There is also the pour in foam. It is strong, and closed cell. The problem is that you will never get it out, or have access behind it. I'm putting some in a dingy under the bow and rear seat, but it is very expensive. We have big blocks of foam for sale here as part of dock systems. I think any place with a lake and docks would be able to tell you a local supply for those blocks of foam. You can make a pattern with pieces of cardboard taped together, transfer the profile to the foam.
Burt
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:40 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Bonnie.
You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit.
Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new.
Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than the foam!
Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a polystyrene block this method may be cheaper
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or amout of foam to buy? Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
DON'T use pour-in foam! It degrades over the years! Block of polystyrene or pool noodles are the way to go AND reversible! :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On 09/05/2018 11:08 AM, Burton Lowry wrote:
Bonnie,
There is also the pour in foam. It is strong, and closed cell. The problem is that you will never get it out, or have access behind it. I'm putting some in a dingy under the bow and rear seat, but it is very expensive. We have big blocks of foam for sale here as part of dock systems. I think any place with a lake and docks would be able to tell you a local supply for those blocks of foam. You can make a pattern with pieces of cardboard taped together, transfer the profile to the foam.
Burt
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:40 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Bonnie.
You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit.
Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new.
Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than the foam!
Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a polystyrene block this method may be cheaper
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or amout of foam to buy? Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka
Checkout pool noodles without the hole. More flotation in the same space. Google pool noodles without hole for suppliers. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Wednesday, September 5, 2018 Dave Scobie <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: DON'T use pour-in foam! It degrades over the years! Block of polystyrene or pool noodles are the way to go AND reversible! :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On 09/05/2018 11:08 AM, Burton Lowry wrote:
Bonnie,
There is also the pour in foam. It is strong, and closed cell. The problem is that you will never get it out, or have access behind it. I'm putting some in a dingy under the bow and rear seat, but it is very expensive. We have big blocks of foam for sale here as part of dock systems. I think any place with a lake and docks would be able to tell you a local supply for those blocks of foam. You can make a pattern with pieces of cardboard taped together, transfer the profile to the foam.
Burt
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:40 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Bonnie.
You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit.
Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new.
Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than the foam!
Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a polystyrene block this method may be cheaper
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or amout of foam to buy? Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka
Poured foam soaks up water like crazy. The first boat I designed and built was a one-off catamaran and I filled the ends with foam. over the first summer it gained about 50 lbs. I got it out with a drill motor and a spade bit, and it took a while. When I got the weight out it felt like a had a new suit of sails.... -----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie Sent: Wednesday, September 05, 2018 12:12 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam DON'T use pour-in foam! It degrades over the years! Block of polystyrene or pool noodles are the way to go AND reversible! :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On 09/05/2018 11:08 AM, Burton Lowry wrote:
Bonnie,
There is also the pour in foam. It is strong, and closed cell. The problem is that you will never get it out, or have access behind it. I'm putting some in a dingy under the bow and rear seat, but it is very expensive. We have big blocks of foam for sale here as part of dock systems. I think any place with a lake and docks would be able to tell you a local supply for those blocks of foam. You can make a pattern with pieces of cardboard taped together, transfer the profile to the foam.
Burt
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 12:40 PM Dave Scobie <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Bonnie.
You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit.
Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new.
Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than the foam!
Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a polystyrene block this method may be cheaper
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or amout of foam to buy? Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka
I assume the foam chunks on small sailboats exist for legal purposes only, but are not intended to *actually* be left in place or else they would be permanently fastened to the hull. Wouldn't free chunks of foam just float out the companionway if the boat were swamped, instead of actually floating it? To make an M15 actually buoyant with less weight, I'd think inflatable buoyancy bags as used on dinghies would work better. If you get a big one and inflate it after putting it in a compartment it can't come out, plus it will weigh a lot less than foam. You could also strap down the bags (or foam) w/ nylon straps, to keep them attached to the boat. Sincerely, Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "scoobscobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: "Bonnie Kostka" <bonniekostka@sbcglobal.net>, "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:26:43 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam Bonnie. You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit. Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new. Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than the foam! Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a polystyrene block this method may be cheaper :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or amout of foam to buy? Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka
Tyler (and others following along):
foam chunks on small sailboats exist for legal purposes only
A boat such as a M15 is under no legal requirement to have positive flotation. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Mon, Sep 10, 2018, 1:52 PM <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I assume the foam chunks on small sailboats exist for legal purposes only, but are not intended to *actually* be left in place or else they would be permanently fastened to the hull. Wouldn't free chunks of foam just float out the companionway if the boat were swamped, instead of actually floating it?
To make an M15 actually buoyant with less weight, I'd think inflatable buoyancy bags as used on dinghies would work better. If you get a big one and inflate it after putting it in a compartment it can't come out, plus it will weigh a lot less than foam. You could also strap down the bags (or foam) w/ nylon straps, to keep them attached to the boat.
Sincerely, Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "scoobscobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: "Bonnie Kostka" <bonniekostka@sbcglobal.net>, "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:26:43 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam
Bonnie.
You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit.
Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new.
Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than the foam!
Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a polystyrene block this method may be cheaper
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or amout of foam to buy? Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka
I disagree, having been a past volunteer on Harbor Patrol and having had to haul dead bodies out of boats that did not float, I would not take my M-15 out of the boat slip with adequate floatation from foam blocks or other flotation. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 2:07 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam Tyler (and others following along):
foam chunks on small sailboats exist for legal purposes only
A boat such as a M15 is under no legal requirement to have positive flotation. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Mon, Sep 10, 2018, 1:52 PM <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I assume the foam chunks on small sailboats exist for legal purposes only, but are not intended to *actually* be left in place or else they would be permanently fastened to the hull. Wouldn't free chunks of foam just float out the companionway if the boat were swamped, instead of actually floating it?
To make an M15 actually buoyant with less weight, I'd think inflatable buoyancy bags as used on dinghies would work better. If you get a big one and inflate it after putting it in a compartment it can't come out, plus it will weigh a lot less than foam. You could also strap down the bags (or foam) w/ nylon straps, to keep them attached to the boat.
Sincerely, Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "scoobscobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: "Bonnie Kostka" <bonniekostka@sbcglobal.net>, "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:26:43 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam
Bonnie.
You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit.
Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new.
Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than the foam!
Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a polystyrene block this method may be cheaper
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or amout of foam to buy? Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka
Here's the relevant regulations on flotation requirements: https://www.uscgboating.org/regulations/assets/builders-handbook/FLOTATION.p... Sailboats, defined as any boat with sail as 'primary' propulsion, are exempt. Interestingly, canoes & kayaks & some other specific boat types are exempt: "Sailboats, canoes, kayaks, inflatable boats, submersibles, surface effect vessels, amphibious vessels, multi-hull boats and race-boats need not comply." But as the regulations state, there is no restriction on providing more flotation than legally required... And then in subpart H it says "Outboard Boats Rated for 2 Horsepower or Less and Manually Propelled Boats" need to comply with "MODIFIED LEVEL FLOTATION" requirements. So there is a vaguely defined category of "manually propelled boats" that is supposed to comply, even though canoes and kayaks are manually propelled and are exempt. Rowboats and sculled boats, theoretically? And SUPs, theoretically. But the regs are 2003 so not up to date with all current types of recreational craft. CLC Boats' Southwester Dory makes this regulation explicit...it's the first boat Harris ever designed to intentionally (but optionally) accommodate a small motor (and only because so many customers kept asking about putting motors on other CLC boats). In his narrative about it he mentions the legal requirements for flotation as part of the design parameters. So I guess this applies to kit manufacturers as well as finished boat manufacturers. The usual bureaucratic confusioin...when in doubt, use plenty flotation! cheers, John S. On 09/12/2018 10:11 AM, Steve Trapp wrote:
I disagree, having been a past volunteer on Harbor Patrol and having had to haul dead bodies out of boats that did not float, I would not take my M-15 out of the boat slip with adequate floatation from foam blocks or other flotation. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 2:07 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam
Tyler (and others following along):
foam chunks on small sailboats exist for legal purposes only
A boat such as a M15 is under no legal requirement to have positive flotation.
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Mon, Sep 10, 2018, 1:52 PM <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I assume the foam chunks on small sailboats exist for legal purposes only, but are not intended to *actually* be left in place or else they would be permanently fastened to the hull. Wouldn't free chunks of foam just float out the companionway if the boat were swamped, instead of actually floating it?
To make an M15 actually buoyant with less weight, I'd think inflatable buoyancy bags as used on dinghies would work better. If you get a big one and inflate it after putting it in a compartment it can't come out, plus it will weigh a lot less than foam. You could also strap down the bags (or foam) w/ nylon straps, to keep them attached to the boat.
Sincerely, Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "scoobscobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: "Bonnie Kostka" <bonniekostka@sbcglobal.net>, "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:26:43 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam
Bonnie.
You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit.
Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new.
Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than the foam!
Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a polystyrene block this method may be cheaper
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or amout of foam to buy? Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
I have filled the locker under the v berth of my M15 with empty 2 liter coke bottles. I have also installed latches on the cockpit lockers and they are always latched and secured with a snap lock. I have the factory installed foam under the cockpit. When the weather gets rough, I put my hatchboards in place and secure them with the latch. My thinking is the air in the cabin will keep the boat afloat long enough for me to get on the keel and right the boat. I also sail my M15 as if I were sailing a dinghy, one hand on the tiller and one on the main sheet. I am normally in areas where there are no other boats and miles from land. I always wear a PFD have a PLB on a tether in my pocket and recently added a PFD with harness and a short tether to keep me onboard. If the boat floats, great. If not, I am still going to probably survive until the Coast Guard arrives. Sent from AOL Mobile Mail On Wednesday, September 12, 2018 Steve Trapp <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote: I disagree, having been a past volunteer on Harbor Patrol and having had to haul dead bodies out of boats that did not float, I would not take my M-15 out of the boat slip with adequate floatation from foam blocks or other flotation. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie Sent: M onday, September 10, 2018 2:07 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam Tyler (and others following along):
foam chunks on small sailboats exist for legal purposes only
A boat such as a M15 is under no legal requirement to have positive flotation. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Mon, Sep 10, 2018, 1:52 PM <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I assume the foam chunks on small sailboats exist for legal purposes only, but are not intended to *actually* be left in place or else they would be permanently fastened to the hull. Wouldn't free chunks of foam just float out the companionway if the boat were swamped, instead of actually floating it?
To make an M15 actually buoyant with less weight, I'd think inflatable buoyancy bags as used on dinghies would work better. If you get a big one and inflate it after putting it in a compartment it can't come out, plus it will weigh a lot less than foam. You could also strap down the bags (or foam) w/ nylon straps, to keep them attached to the boat.
Sincerely, Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "scoobscobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: "Bonnie Kostka" <bonniekostka@sbcglobal.net>, "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:26:43 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam
Bonnie.
You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit.
Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new.
Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than the foam!
Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a polystyrene block this method may be cheaper
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or amout of foam to buy? Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka
I disagree, having been a past volunteer on Harbor Patrol and having had to haul dead bodies out of boats that did not float, I would not take my M-15 out of the boat slip WITHOUT adequate floatation from foam blocks or other flotation. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: Dave Scobie Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 2:07 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam Tyler (and others following along):
foam chunks on small sailboats exist for legal purposes only
A boat such as a M15 is under no legal requirement to have positive flotation. :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Mon, Sep 10, 2018, 1:52 PM <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I assume the foam chunks on small sailboats exist for legal purposes only, but are not intended to *actually* be left in place or else they would be permanently fastened to the hull. Wouldn't free chunks of foam just float out the companionway if the boat were swamped, instead of actually floating it?
To make an M15 actually buoyant with less weight, I'd think inflatable buoyancy bags as used on dinghies would work better. If you get a big one and inflate it after putting it in a compartment it can't come out, plus it will weigh a lot less than foam. You could also strap down the bags (or foam) w/ nylon straps, to keep them attached to the boat.
Sincerely, Tyler
----- Original Message ----- From: "scoobscobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: "Bonnie Kostka" <bonniekostka@sbcglobal.net>, "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:26:43 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam
Bonnie.
You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit.
Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new.
Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than the foam!
Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a polystyrene block this method may be cheaper
:: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com
On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or amout of foam to buy? Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka
Tyler- the way we used foam on the 15 is that we put chunks under the forward berth and then screwed down the cover, trapping the foam in place. Under the cockpit we used the full logs and they were trapped in place with the decking of the boat. For an aftermarket setup I'd recommend empty 1 gal water/milk/ lemonade/ whiskey jugs because they're light and they can be held in place with a line thru the handles. I've used plastic buoyancy bags on whitewater canoes, for many years, and you need to top them off every time you use them, which in my mind makes them a distant third place.. In the 2 15's I've used in Mexico I removed the foam under the forward berth in favor of storage. You need lots of water in Mexico so I'd take two gal of water in jugs for each day for both of us, and after using the water we'd throw the jug back under the berth. Probably not enough air in the jugs to float the boat, but maybe it'd sink more slowly! Give you more time to scream. -----Original Message----- From: casioqv@usermail.com Sent: Monday, September 10, 2018 1:51 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam I assume the foam chunks on small sailboats exist for legal purposes only, but are not intended to *actually* be left in place or else they would be permanently fastened to the hull. Wouldn't free chunks of foam just float out the companionway if the boat were swamped, instead of actually floating it? To make an M15 actually buoyant with less weight, I'd think inflatable buoyancy bags as used on dinghies would work better. If you get a big one and inflate it after putting it in a compartment it can't come out, plus it will weigh a lot less than foam. You could also strap down the bags (or foam) w/ nylon straps, to keep them attached to the boat. Sincerely, Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "scoobscobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> To: "Bonnie Kostka" <bonniekostka@sbcglobal.net>, "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, September 5, 2018 9:26:43 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: floatation foam Bonnie. You need to call around to local plastic supply places to see whom will sell you a large block of polystyrene. You then cut this up to small pieces and put them under vberth. larger blocks under cockpit. Take out your stinky foam to figure volume needed for new. Online may also work but shipping is an issue - I bet shipping more than the foam! Another option is to fill area with pool noodles. With shipping for a polystyrene block this method may be cheaper :: Dave Scobie :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com On Wed, Sep 5, 2018, 9:19 AM Bonnie Kostka <bonniekostka@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Does anyone know where you would buy replacement foam & what size or amout of foam to buy? Moonbeam (M15)Bonnie Kostka
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