Here's a video from a nice day of sailing Waldo Lake in Oregon last summer: Montgomery 15 Sailing on Waldo Lake | | | | | | | | | | | Montgomery 15 Sailing on Waldo Lake | | | | View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky
Interesting. I remember towing my M-15 and sailing Waldo Lake about 20 years ago. Still have the boat. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: David Grah via montgomery_boats Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 6:49 PM To: For and About Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: Waldo Lake Video Here's a video from a nice day of sailing Waldo Lake in Oregon last summer: Montgomery 15 Sailing on Waldo Lake | | | | | | | | | | | Montgomery 15 Sailing on Waldo Lake | | | | View on www.youtube.com | Preview by Yahoo | | | | | David GrahBishop CaliforniaMontgomery 15 - Sky
Nice...I have kayak camped there, it's a gorgeous lake. No infernal combustion motors allowed. Sail and paddle only. I was hoping to sail there last season but didn't quite make it. Definitely will this coming season! Thanks for the advance re-motivation... :-) cheers, John S. On 11/16/2015 06:49 PM, David Grah via montgomery_boats wrote:
Montgomery 15 Sailing on Waldo Lake
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When were motors banned on Lake Waldo? I like the idea, but I remember sailing my M-15 on Waldo Lake about 20 years ago, but do not remember a ban on motors then. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 8:12 PM To: David Grah ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Waldo Lake Video Nice...I have kayak camped there, it's a gorgeous lake. No infernal combustion motors allowed. Sail and paddle only. I was hoping to sail there last season but didn't quite make it. Definitely will this coming season! Thanks for the advance re-motivation... :-) cheers, John S. On 11/16/2015 06:49 PM, David Grah via montgomery_boats wrote:
Montgomery 15 Sailing on Waldo Lake
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I didn't know but it was easy enough to find... Original ban started in 2010 and then the legislature had to finalize the bit about seaplanes, which weren't in the OMB jurisdiction... https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/prozanski/Documents/prozanski_032513.htm So not that long, last ~5 yrs. cheers, John S. On 11/16/2015 08:30 PM, Steve Trapp wrote:
When were motors banned on Lake Waldo? I like the idea, but I remember sailing my M-15 on Waldo Lake about 20 years ago, but do not remember a ban on motors then. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 8:12 PM To: David Grah ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Waldo Lake Video
Nice...I have kayak camped there, it's a gorgeous lake. No infernal combustion motors allowed. Sail and paddle only. I was hoping to sail there last season but didn't quite make it. Definitely will this coming season! Thanks for the advance re-motivation... :-)
cheers, John S.
On 11/16/2015 06:49 PM, David Grah via montgomery_boats wrote:
Montgomery 15 Sailing on Waldo Lake
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I would like to see that on a lot more lakes, anything besides sail, oars, sweeps or electric motors on the smaller lakes. Smaller being less than a couple square miles. On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 11:12 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I didn't know but it was easy enough to find... Original ban started in 2010 and then the legislature had to finalize the bit about seaplanes, which weren't in the OMB jurisdiction...
https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/prozanski/Documents/prozanski_032513.htm
So not that long, last ~5 yrs.
cheers, John S.
On 11/16/2015 08:30 PM, Steve Trapp wrote:
When were motors banned on Lake Waldo? I like the idea, but I remember sailing my M-15 on Waldo Lake about 20 years ago, but do not remember a ban on motors then. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 8:12 PM To: David Grah ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Waldo Lake Video
Nice...I have kayak camped there, it's a gorgeous lake. No infernal combustion motors allowed. Sail and paddle only. I was hoping to sail there last season but didn't quite make it. Definitely will this coming season! Thanks for the advance re-motivation... :-)
cheers, John S.
On 11/16/2015 06:49 PM, David Grah via montgomery_boats wrote:
Montgomery 15 Sailing on Waldo Lake
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
On 11/17/2015 8:58 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: Hi Thomas, Too many obnoxious powerboat drivers with no "couth" is what finally made us quit sailing the coastal waters of New England. At Block Island New Harbor the Tuna Tower boys would crank up their 50000 watt loudspeakers and deluge the anchorage with their so called music. There was no peace and quiet to be had there any more. The Marina's launch service now ran till 1AM, and the launch drivers going full speed through the anchorage almost rolled you out of your berths. Their passengers were hardly quiet and considerate of those that may want to sleep..... That's when I said "enough" sold our big boat and went trailerable. Now I could again find what I had enjoyed most while sailing; and if powered louts invaded my territory I could put the M-15 back on the trailer and go elsewhere. I also found that if the water was thin; preferably also full of boulders; and without a gas station in sight; it was all ours to enjoy. Cheers, Connie
I would like to see that on a lot more lakes, anything besides sail, oars, sweeps or electric motors on the smaller lakes. Smaller being less than a couple square miles.
On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 11:12 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I didn't know but it was easy enough to find... Original ban started in 2010 and then the legislature had to finalize the bit about seaplanes, which weren't in the OMB jurisdiction...
https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/prozanski/Documents/prozanski_032513.htm
So not that long, last ~5 yrs.
cheers, John S.
On 11/16/2015 08:30 PM, Steve Trapp wrote:
When were motors banned on Lake Waldo? I like the idea, but I remember sailing my M-15 on Waldo Lake about 20 years ago, but do not remember a ban on motors then. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 8:12 PM To: David Grah ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Waldo Lake Video
Nice...I have kayak camped there, it's a gorgeous lake. No infernal combustion motors allowed. Sail and paddle only. I was hoping to sail there last season but didn't quite make it. Definitely will this coming season! Thanks for the advance re-motivation... :-)
cheers, John S.
On 11/16/2015 06:49 PM, David Grah via montgomery_boats wrote:
Montgomery 15 Sailing on Waldo Lake
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Hi Connie, Sorry to hear that about the Northeast. When I left there back in 1974 things were still subdued along most waterfronts. I guess the end will come when they turn the Charles W. Morgan into a casino. I have my Monty 17 and I have to keep reminding myself that it is NOT my last boat, a 36' S2. Everything I put in my 17' effects the balance. Haven't "downsized" my thinking yet. Love those small boats for use on "thin" water. Am getting a hankering to try my hand at constructing a totally wooden boat like a Zephyr or some such. Row and sail only. Nice thoughts to ponder on a cold winter's evening. Tom On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/17/2015 8:58 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Hi Thomas,
Too many obnoxious powerboat drivers with no "couth" is what finally made us quit sailing the coastal waters of New England.
At Block Island New Harbor the Tuna Tower boys would crank up their 50000 watt loudspeakers and deluge the anchorage with their so called music. There was no peace and quiet to be had there any more.
The Marina's launch service now ran till 1AM, and the launch drivers going full speed through the anchorage almost rolled you out of your berths. Their passengers were hardly quiet and considerate of those that may want to sleep.....
That's when I said "enough" sold our big boat and went trailerable.
Now I could again find what I had enjoyed most while sailing; and if powered louts invaded my territory I could put the M-15 back on the trailer and go elsewhere.
I also found that if the water was thin; preferably also full of boulders; and without a gas station in sight; it was all ours to enjoy.
Cheers,
Connie
I would like to see that on a lot more lakes, anything besides sail, oars,
sweeps or electric motors on the smaller lakes. Smaller being less than a couple square miles.
On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 11:12 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I didn't know but it was easy enough to find...
Original ban started in 2010 and then the legislature had to finalize the bit about seaplanes, which weren't in the OMB jurisdiction...
https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/prozanski/Documents/prozanski_032513.htm
So not that long, last ~5 yrs.
cheers, John S.
On 11/16/2015 08:30 PM, Steve Trapp wrote:
When were motors banned on Lake Waldo? I like the idea, but I
remember sailing my M-15 on Waldo Lake about 20 years ago, but do not remember a ban on motors then. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 8:12 PM To: David Grah ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Waldo Lake Video
Nice...I have kayak camped there, it's a gorgeous lake. No infernal combustion motors allowed. Sail and paddle only. I was hoping to sail there last season but didn't quite make it. Definitely will this coming season! Thanks for the advance re-motivation... :-)
cheers, John S.
On 11/16/2015 06:49 PM, David Grah via montgomery_boats wrote:
Montgomery 15 Sailing on Waldo Lake
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
On 11/17/2015 10:37 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: Thomas, 1974 is when we moved back from Europe and landed in Glastonbury, CT. We sailed out of Noank Shipyard initially, then later at a Fort Rachel Marina on the Mystic River, at Mystic, CT. For the next several years cruising the Cape Cod area or Block Island / Fishers Island all was calm and peaceful. You could sail into Hadley's, Oak Bluff harbor, Cotuit, Chatham, or Nantucket and anchor. Years later, the towns put in moorings and you had to pick up a mooring and pay to spend the night; many times rafted up four boats to a mooring. Hadley's was about the only exception, but then since the whole island was owned by the Forbes family, you couldn't go ashore there anyway. We sold our Tripp-Lentsch 29 in 1992 because of the powerboat plague, and became trailer sailors. I miss our cozy floating home with all the goodies I dreamed up and installed, but I found that the M-15 gave us as much sailing pleasures as the T-L 29 did at almost zero cost. Now that's goodness! Instead of sleeping on board we stayed at B&Bs, and were served breakfast. We ate lunch while sailing and cooked dinner in the cockpit or went to a restaurant. Different type of sailing activity but every bit as much enjoyment as we had with the big boat. Happy sailing, Connie Hi Connie, Sorry to hear that about the Northeast. When I left there back in 1974 things were still subdued along most waterfronts. I guess the end will come when they turn the Charles W. Morgan into a casino. I have my Monty 17 and I have to keep reminding myself that it is NOT my last boat, a 36' S2. Everything I put in my 17' effects the balance. Haven't "downsized" my thinking yet. Love those small boats for use on "thin" water. Am getting a hankering to try my hand at constructing a totally wooden boat like a Zephyr or some such. Row and sail only. Nice thoughts to ponder on a cold winter's evening. Tom On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/17/2015 8:58 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Hi Thomas,
Too many obnoxious powerboat drivers with no "couth" is what finally made us quit sailing the coastal waters of New England.
At Block Island New Harbor the Tuna Tower boys would crank up their 50000 watt loudspeakers and deluge the anchorage with their so called music. There was no peace and quiet to be had there any more.
The Marina's launch service now ran till 1AM, and the launch drivers going full speed through the anchorage almost rolled you out of your berths. Their passengers were hardly quiet and considerate of those that may want to sleep.....
That's when I said "enough" sold our big boat and went trailerable.
Now I could again find what I had enjoyed most while sailing; and if powered louts invaded my territory I could put the M-15 back on the trailer and go elsewhere.
I also found that if the water was thin; preferably also full of boulders; and without a gas station in sight; it was all ours to enjoy.
Cheers,
Connie
I would like to see that on a lot more lakes, anything besides sail, oars,
sweeps or electric motors on the smaller lakes. Smaller being less than a couple square miles.
On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 11:12 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I didn't know but it was easy enough to find...
Original ban started in 2010 and then the legislature had to finalize the bit about seaplanes, which weren't in the OMB jurisdiction...
https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/prozanski/Documents/prozanski_032513.htm
So not that long, last ~5 yrs.
cheers, John S.
On 11/16/2015 08:30 PM, Steve Trapp wrote:
When were motors banned on Lake Waldo? I like the idea, but I
remember sailing my M-15 on Waldo Lake about 20 years ago, but do not remember a ban on motors then. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 8:12 PM To: David Grah ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Waldo Lake Video
Nice...I have kayak camped there, it's a gorgeous lake. No infernal combustion motors allowed. Sail and paddle only. I was hoping to sail there last season but didn't quite make it. Definitely will this coming season! Thanks for the advance re-motivation... :-)
cheers, John S.
On 11/16/2015 06:49 PM, David Grah via montgomery_boats wrote:
Montgomery 15 Sailing on Waldo Lake
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
On 11/17/2015 08:37 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: ...
Love those small boats for use on "thin" water. Am getting a hankering to try my hand at constructing a totally wooden boat like a Zephyr or some such. Row and sail only.
Slightly OT but since you mention even lighter/shallower boats... I got a look at some of CLC's boats this year at the Port Townsend Wooden boat fest. Their Skerry would be a great 1-2 person such boat (I got to row it but they weren't doing sail trials due to prior problems with novice sailors...:-). I heard from someone who's tried it that it's a dream to sail with the balanced lug rig option. Their Northeaster Dory would be the next size up, almost twice the carrying capacity but similar weight and draft. The skerry is 15 ft. and the Northeaster is 17 ft. - same as the two small Monty sizes but of course open unballasted centerboard boats. Or if you want a big boat feel, the SCAMP is impressive, got to ride in and sail one of those. Speaking of balanced lugs - was that ever considered as an option for the Sage 15? Anyone ever put one on a Monty 15 or 17? It was a very interesting rig to sail on the SCAMP. Points quite well. Jibes are relatively gentle. Simple to handle, allegedly simple to reef. cheers, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
John, Lucky you getting to go to the Northwest Boat show. I was up there last year and just missed the show though I did get to watch some others work on their Scamps. Any boat I build as a potential tender for my Monty 17 will have to be pretty simple in construction as I do not have a whole lot of time to get it up and running. Also, the simpler the build the lighter the craft, I believe. Just ordered a kit from Sailrite yesterday. They will "one off" a highcut 80% jib for me out of 5.4 oz. cloth with nylon hanks. Sounds like just the thing for blustery winter winds coming up down here in South Texas. There will be enough scrap left to add a row of reef points to my 110 jib for the Monty. I did that to another jib on a Flicka and it worked great. A lot easier to tie in a reef than change a whole sail. Twelve months of fun every year when you own a small boat especially down here below the "snowline". Tom Buzzi On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 1:36 AM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
On 11/17/2015 08:37 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: ...
Love those small boats for use on "thin" water. Am getting a hankering to try my hand at constructing a totally wooden boat like a Zephyr or some such. Row and sail only.
Slightly OT but since you mention even lighter/shallower boats... I got a look at some of CLC's boats this year at the Port Townsend Wooden boat fest. Their Skerry would be a great 1-2 person such boat (I got to row it but they weren't doing sail trials due to prior problems with novice sailors...:-). I heard from someone who's tried it that it's a dream to sail with the balanced lug rig option. Their Northeaster Dory would be the next size up, almost twice the carrying capacity but similar weight and draft. The skerry is 15 ft. and the Northeaster is 17 ft. - same as the two small Monty sizes but of course open unballasted centerboard boats. Or if you want a big boat feel, the SCAMP is impressive, got to ride in and sail one of those.
Speaking of balanced lugs - was that ever considered as an option for the Sage 15? Anyone ever put one on a Monty 15 or 17?
It was a very interesting rig to sail on the SCAMP. Points quite well. Jibes are relatively gentle. Simple to handle, allegedly simple to reef.
cheers, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
On 11/18/2015 11:47 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
John, Lucky you getting to go to the Northwest Boat show. I was up there last year and just missed the show though I did get to watch some others work on their Scamps. Any boat I build as a potential tender for my Monty 17 will have to be pretty simple in construction as I do not have a whole lot of time to get it up and running. Also, the simpler the build the lighter the craft, I believe.
The new CLC Eastport ultralight dinghy (based on their well regarded Eastport pram) is a likely candidate for a hardshell micro-cruiser rowing dinghy. About the same capacity (~375+ lbs) as the regular Eastport in a six foot, 45 lb boat. And, it's a wrinkle-boat! :-) Product page: http://www.clcboats.com/shop/boats/development-projects/eastport-ultralight-... Blog backstory: http://www.clcboats.com/life-of-boats-blog/ultralight-dinghy.html If you want a row-sail combo then the regular Eastport (7' 9") would fill the bill. cheers, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
John, Thanks for the info on the ultralite wrinkle boat. It does look like it belongs behind an M17. Like father like son. On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 11:38 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
On 11/18/2015 11:47 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
John, Lucky you getting to go to the Northwest Boat show. I was up there last year and just missed the show though I did get to watch some others work on their Scamps. Any boat I build as a potential tender for my Monty 17 will have to be pretty simple in construction as I do not have a whole lot of time to get it up and running. Also, the simpler the build the lighter the craft, I believe.
The new CLC Eastport ultralight dinghy (based on their well regarded Eastport pram) is a likely candidate for a hardshell micro-cruiser rowing dinghy. About the same capacity (~375+ lbs) as the regular Eastport in a six foot, 45 lb boat. And, it's a wrinkle-boat! :-)
Product page:
http://www.clcboats.com/shop/boats/development-projects/eastport-ultralight-...
Blog backstory: http://www.clcboats.com/life-of-boats-blog/ultralight-dinghy.html
If you want a row-sail combo then the regular Eastport (7' 9") would fill the bill.
cheers, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
On 11/17/2015 10:37 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: Hi Thomas, I had a Shellback sailing / rowing dinghy that was a great little boat. Easy to row (with Shaw & Tenny spoon blade 7'-6" oars), and a good sailer too. Plans or Building kits are available from WOODEN BOAT magazine. Connie
Hi Connie, Sorry to hear that about the Northeast. When I left there back in 1974 things were still subdued along most waterfronts. I guess the end will come when they turn the Charles W. Morgan into a casino. I have my Monty 17 and I have to keep reminding myself that it is NOT my last boat, a 36' S2. Everything I put in my 17' effects the balance. Haven't "downsized" my thinking yet. Love those small boats for use on "thin" water. Am getting a hankering to try my hand at constructing a totally wooden boat like a Zephyr or some such. Row and sail only. Nice thoughts to ponder on a cold winter's evening. Tom
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/17/2015 8:58 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Hi Thomas,
Too many obnoxious powerboat drivers with no "couth" is what finally made us quit sailing the coastal waters of New England.
At Block Island New Harbor the Tuna Tower boys would crank up their 50000 watt loudspeakers and deluge the anchorage with their so called music. There was no peace and quiet to be had there any more.
The Marina's launch service now ran till 1AM, and the launch drivers going full speed through the anchorage almost rolled you out of your berths. Their passengers were hardly quiet and considerate of those that may want to sleep.....
That's when I said "enough" sold our big boat and went trailerable.
Now I could again find what I had enjoyed most while sailing; and if powered louts invaded my territory I could put the M-15 back on the trailer and go elsewhere.
I also found that if the water was thin; preferably also full of boulders; and without a gas station in sight; it was all ours to enjoy.
Cheers,
Connie
I would like to see that on a lot more lakes, anything besides sail, oars,
sweeps or electric motors on the smaller lakes. Smaller being less than a couple square miles.
On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 11:12 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I didn't know but it was easy enough to find...
Original ban started in 2010 and then the legislature had to finalize the bit about seaplanes, which weren't in the OMB jurisdiction...
https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/prozanski/Documents/prozanski_032513.htm
So not that long, last ~5 yrs.
cheers, John S.
On 11/16/2015 08:30 PM, Steve Trapp wrote:
When were motors banned on Lake Waldo? I like the idea, but I
remember sailing my M-15 on Waldo Lake about 20 years ago, but do not remember a ban on motors then. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 8:12 PM To: David Grah ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Waldo Lake Video
Nice...I have kayak camped there, it's a gorgeous lake. No infernal combustion motors allowed. Sail and paddle only. I was hoping to sail there last season but didn't quite make it. Definitely will this coming season! Thanks for the advance re-motivation... :-)
cheers, John S.
On 11/16/2015 06:49 PM, David Grah via montgomery_boats wrote:
Montgomery 15 Sailing on Waldo Lake
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Connie, Son of a gun, I am still suffering the effects of "creeping waterline disease". I thought when I downsized from a 36 footer to a 17 foot Montgomery I was cured of that. Now I have started looking at a rowing/sailing dinghy (7'10" or so) as a tender for my Monty 17 so I can actually set foot on some of the shores around here instead of just sailing closely by them. The idea was a two sheet plywood hull which would tow reasonably well behind the Montgomery, and would also be able to fit in the back of my pickup for early morning sojourns in some of the quiet coves around here, now I am up to a 12 to 14 foot which will still slide into my pickup and weigh less than 130 pounds so my back will not yell at me, though now it will overhang about six feet and need a flag. What is next? A boat that will fit on a small trailer??? Whoever said sailing was a game of compromises sure hit the nail on the head. Beautiful day here. Temp in the low 70's, bright sun and about 7 knots of breeze. Another good sailing day courtesy of the Southeast "trades" off the Gulf and over the Texas coast. Watch out for the el nino this year. Tom On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/17/2015 10:37 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Hi Thomas,
I had a Shellback sailing / rowing dinghy that was a great little boat. Easy to row (with Shaw & Tenny spoon blade 7'-6" oars), and a good sailer too.
Plans or Building kits are available from WOODEN BOAT magazine.
Connie
Hi Connie, Sorry to hear that about the Northeast. When I left there back in 1974 things were still subdued along most waterfronts. I guess the end will come when they turn the Charles W. Morgan into a casino. I have my Monty 17 and I have to keep reminding myself that it is NOT my last boat, a 36' S2. Everything I put in my 17' effects the balance. Haven't "downsized" my thinking yet. Love those small boats for use on "thin" water. Am getting a hankering to try my hand at constructing a totally wooden boat like a Zephyr or some such. Row and sail only. Nice thoughts to ponder on a cold winter's evening. Tom
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/17/2015 8:58 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Hi Thomas,
Too many obnoxious powerboat drivers with no "couth" is what finally made us quit sailing the coastal waters of New England.
At Block Island New Harbor the Tuna Tower boys would crank up their 50000 watt loudspeakers and deluge the anchorage with their so called music. There was no peace and quiet to be had there any more.
The Marina's launch service now ran till 1AM, and the launch drivers going full speed through the anchorage almost rolled you out of your berths. Their passengers were hardly quiet and considerate of those that may want to sleep.....
That's when I said "enough" sold our big boat and went trailerable.
Now I could again find what I had enjoyed most while sailing; and if powered louts invaded my territory I could put the M-15 back on the trailer and go elsewhere.
I also found that if the water was thin; preferably also full of boulders; and without a gas station in sight; it was all ours to enjoy.
Cheers,
Connie
I would like to see that on a lot more lakes, anything besides sail, oars,
sweeps or electric motors on the smaller lakes. Smaller being less than a couple square miles.
On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 11:12 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I didn't know but it was easy enough to find...
Original ban started in 2010 and then the legislature had to finalize the bit about seaplanes, which weren't in the OMB jurisdiction...
https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/prozanski/Documents/prozanski_032513.htm
So not that long, last ~5 yrs.
cheers, John S.
On 11/16/2015 08:30 PM, Steve Trapp wrote:
When were motors banned on Lake Waldo? I like the idea, but I
remember sailing my M-15 on Waldo Lake about 20 years ago, but do not remember a ban on motors then. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 8:12 PM To: David Grah ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Waldo Lake Video
Nice...I have kayak camped there, it's a gorgeous lake. No infernal combustion motors allowed. Sail and paddle only. I was hoping to sail there last season but didn't quite make it. Definitely will this coming season! Thanks for the advance re-motivation... :-)
cheers, John S.
On 11/16/2015 06:49 PM, David Grah via montgomery_boats wrote:
Montgomery 15 Sailing on Waldo Lake
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On 11/18/2015 1:38 PM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: All right Thomas, Now that you are talking about a dinghy to row / sail and tow behind your M-17, allow me to introduce you to the Bolger Rubens NYMPH. I built the NYMPH as a dinghy for our original trailerable sailboat a Bolger MICRO (15' cat yawl). We had gone to Maine and wanted to explore the area, but found that dock space was only available for lobster boats to deliver lobsters and to pick up fresh bait for their traps. Moorings were to be had, but we didn't have a dinghy. No dinghy - moorings were worthless. So the following winter I built the Bolger NYMPH; an easy build job that rowed very well and towed very well behind the MICRO and later the M-15. The NYMPH is a bit tender when you initially get on board, but after sitting down, was a joy to row for hours.... Because of the initial tenderness, Bolger cut it down the middle and added a foot of width to the boat, making it fatter. Hence the Rubens NYMPH. I had a well equipped shop so building the NYMPH was easy. It's a stitch & glue construction. The rowing thwart runs longitudinally, so it is easy to move forward or backward depending on the load being carried; 2nd person, or three cases of beer, and groceries. Both have a leeboard for sailing; so adding a rudder / leeboard / and mast and you're good to go. Lots of enjoyment for a small price. Length of the NYMPH is 7'-9" and it was easily car-toppable and rode on our roof rack. Go to Google to see pictures and drawings of both NYMPH boats and the Shellback dinghy. The Shellback is also an excellent rowing machine and a good sailboat, but is longer and heavier than the NYMPH. I found and rebuilt an aluminum TRAILEX trailer for the Shellback and towed it behind my VW-GOLF. You could put it in the back of your pickup, but it is a lot heavier and more boat than is the NYMPH, but is also an excellent dinghy. Decisions, ....decisions. Connie
Connie, Son of a gun, I am still suffering the effects of "creeping waterline disease". I thought when I downsized from a 36 footer to a 17 foot Montgomery I was cured of that. Now I have started looking at a rowing/sailing dinghy (7'10" or so) as a tender for my Monty 17 so I can actually set foot on some of the shores around here instead of just sailing closely by them. The idea was a two sheet plywood hull which would tow reasonably well behind the Montgomery, and would also be able to fit in the back of my pickup for early morning sojourns in some of the quiet coves around here, now I am up to a 12 to 14 foot which will still slide into my pickup and weigh less than 130 pounds so my back will not yell at me, though now it will overhang about six feet and need a flag. What is next? A boat that will fit on a small trailer??? Whoever said sailing was a game of compromises sure hit the nail on the head. Beautiful day here. Temp in the low 70's, bright sun and about 7 knots of breeze. Another good sailing day courtesy of the Southeast "trades" off the Gulf and over the Texas coast. Watch out for the el nino this year. Tom
On Wed, Nov 18, 2015 at 12:31 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/17/2015 10:37 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Hi Thomas,
I had a Shellback sailing / rowing dinghy that was a great little boat. Easy to row (with Shaw & Tenny spoon blade 7'-6" oars), and a good sailer too.
Plans or Building kits are available from WOODEN BOAT magazine.
Connie
Hi Connie, Sorry to hear that about the Northeast. When I left there back in 1974 things were still subdued along most waterfronts. I guess the end will come when they turn the Charles W. Morgan into a casino. I have my Monty 17 and I have to keep reminding myself that it is NOT my last boat, a 36' S2. Everything I put in my 17' effects the balance. Haven't "downsized" my thinking yet. Love those small boats for use on "thin" water. Am getting a hankering to try my hand at constructing a totally wooden boat like a Zephyr or some such. Row and sail only. Nice thoughts to ponder on a cold winter's evening. Tom
On Tue, Nov 17, 2015 at 10:29 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 11/17/2015 8:58 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote:
Hi Thomas,
Too many obnoxious powerboat drivers with no "couth" is what finally made us quit sailing the coastal waters of New England.
At Block Island New Harbor the Tuna Tower boys would crank up their 50000 watt loudspeakers and deluge the anchorage with their so called music. There was no peace and quiet to be had there any more.
The Marina's launch service now ran till 1AM, and the launch drivers going full speed through the anchorage almost rolled you out of your berths. Their passengers were hardly quiet and considerate of those that may want to sleep.....
That's when I said "enough" sold our big boat and went trailerable.
Now I could again find what I had enjoyed most while sailing; and if powered louts invaded my territory I could put the M-15 back on the trailer and go elsewhere.
I also found that if the water was thin; preferably also full of boulders; and without a gas station in sight; it was all ours to enjoy.
Cheers,
Connie
I would like to see that on a lot more lakes, anything besides sail, oars,
sweeps or electric motors on the smaller lakes. Smaller being less than a couple square miles.
On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 11:12 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I didn't know but it was easy enough to find...
Original ban started in 2010 and then the legislature had to finalize the bit about seaplanes, which weren't in the OMB jurisdiction...
https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/prozanski/Documents/prozanski_032513.htm
So not that long, last ~5 yrs.
cheers, John S.
On 11/16/2015 08:30 PM, Steve Trapp wrote:
When were motors banned on Lake Waldo? I like the idea, but I
> remember sailing my M-15 on Waldo Lake about 20 years ago, but do not > remember a ban on motors then. > Steve > M-15 # 335 > > -----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer > Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 8:12 PM > To: David Grah ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats > Subject: Re: M_Boats: Waldo Lake Video > > Nice...I have kayak camped there, it's a gorgeous lake. No infernal > combustion motors allowed. Sail and paddle only. > I was hoping to sail there last season but didn't quite make it. > Definitely will this coming season! > Thanks for the advance re-motivation... :-) > > cheers, > John S. > > On 11/16/2015 06:49 PM, David Grah via montgomery_boats wrote: > > Montgomery 15 Sailing on Waldo Lake > >> -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
I agree about too many uncouth power boaters. We have them on the lakes and saltwater inlets in the PNW too. Washington State now requires boater safety education courses with a boat driver type license, but the teen-agers on jet skis still persist. Steve M-15 # 335 -----Original Message----- From: Conbert Benneck Sent: Tuesday, November 17, 2015 8:29 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Waldo Lake Video On 11/17/2015 8:58 AM, Thomas Buzzi wrote: Hi Thomas, Too many obnoxious powerboat drivers with no "couth" is what finally made us quit sailing the coastal waters of New England. At Block Island New Harbor the Tuna Tower boys would crank up their 50000 watt loudspeakers and deluge the anchorage with their so called music. There was no peace and quiet to be had there any more. The Marina's launch service now ran till 1AM, and the launch drivers going full speed through the anchorage almost rolled you out of your berths. Their passengers were hardly quiet and considerate of those that may want to sleep..... That's when I said "enough" sold our big boat and went trailerable. Now I could again find what I had enjoyed most while sailing; and if powered louts invaded my territory I could put the M-15 back on the trailer and go elsewhere. I also found that if the water was thin; preferably also full of boulders; and without a gas station in sight; it was all ours to enjoy. Cheers, Connie
I would like to see that on a lot more lakes, anything besides sail, oars, sweeps or electric motors on the smaller lakes. Smaller being less than a couple square miles.
On Mon, Nov 16, 2015 at 11:12 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
I didn't know but it was easy enough to find... Original ban started in 2010 and then the legislature had to finalize the bit about seaplanes, which weren't in the OMB jurisdiction...
https://www.oregonlegislature.gov/prozanski/Documents/prozanski_032513.htm
So not that long, last ~5 yrs.
cheers, John S.
On 11/16/2015 08:30 PM, Steve Trapp wrote:
When were motors banned on Lake Waldo? I like the idea, but I remember sailing my M-15 on Waldo Lake about 20 years ago, but do not remember a ban on motors then. Steve M-15 # 335
-----Original Message----- From: John Schinnerer Sent: Monday, November 16, 2015 8:12 PM To: David Grah ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Waldo Lake Video
Nice...I have kayak camped there, it's a gorgeous lake. No infernal combustion motors allowed. Sail and paddle only. I was hoping to sail there last season but didn't quite make it. Definitely will this coming season! Thanks for the advance re-motivation... :-)
cheers, John S.
On 11/16/2015 06:49 PM, David Grah via montgomery_boats wrote:
Montgomery 15 Sailing on Waldo Lake
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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