Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on the M23? Mine feel like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm thinking of ordering some new ones. Mark Dvorscak M23 Faith On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com wrote:
Gary,
The further from home you roam, the more equipment you need on board to take care of the "unexpected" situations you will encounter.
From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a small Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I found at a Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with the Fortress being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long rode.
Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" long, longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.
If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal fender against the piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop two fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you hang the fender board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's replaceable;, but it protects your hull from damage.
Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; the boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is safely moored.
OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig your anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can get ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water for safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so in the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you can board, or go ashore again.
Happy sailing,
Connie
On 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:
When us the LPM?
-----Original Message----- From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!
-----Original Message----- From: doug<doug9326@gmail.com> To: Gary Oberbeck<gilasailr@aol.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that closest tree???
On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Which tree??
-----Original Message----- From: jerry<jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen@mac.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat some fish. Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish out of the trees.
Be good to see you there, Phil.
-----Original Message----- From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
Hi Gary,
Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun instead? Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready!
Phil
On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout
Hi Mark, Dhana has stainless wire halyards that are spliced into the line portion. The only part that runs through the mast head during sailing is the metal part which is much thinner then the line portion. When I am stepping the mast, I find that I have to kind of yank the line part of the main halyard though the masthead to get the halyard attached properly to the end of the boom for the bridal system. I’m not sure if my halyards are sized properly for the mast head either. They fit with some yanking, but I don’t know if both a main and jib halyard would both fit through the mast head. I’ll try to measure my halyards in the next few days and send you what I find. Hope that helps... Gerry
On Jan 8, 2019, at 7:27 PM, Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56@gmail.com> wrote:
Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on the M23? Mine feel like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm thinking of ordering some new ones. Mark Dvorscak M23 Faith
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com wrote:
Gary,
The further from home you roam, the more equipment you need on board to take care of the "unexpected" situations you will encounter.
From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a small Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I found at a Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with the Fortress being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long rode.
Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" long, longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.
If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal fender against the piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop two fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you hang the fender board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's replaceable;, but it protects your hull from damage.
Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; the boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is safely moored.
OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig your anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can get ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water for safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so in the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you can board, or go ashore again.
Happy sailing,
Connie
On 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote: When us the LPM?
-----Original Message----- From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!
-----Original Message----- From: doug<doug9326@gmail.com> To: Gary Oberbeck<gilasailr@aol.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that closest tree???
On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Which tree??
-----Original Message----- From: jerry<jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen@mac.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat some fish. Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish out of the trees.
Be good to see you there, Phil.
-----Original Message----- From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
Hi Gary,
Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun instead? Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready!
Phil
On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout
Hmm. No wires spliced into mine. Thanks for checking On Wed, Jan 9, 2019, 11:23 Gerald Wyatt <wyattgs@gmail.com wrote:
Hi Mark,
Dhana has stainless wire halyards that are spliced into the line portion. The only part that runs through the mast head during sailing is the metal part which is much thinner then the line portion.
When I am stepping the mast, I find that I have to kind of yank the line part of the main halyard though the masthead to get the halyard attached properly to the end of the boom for the bridal system.
I’m not sure if my halyards are sized properly for the mast head either. They fit with some yanking, but I don’t know if both a main and jib halyard would both fit through the mast head.
I’ll try to measure my halyards in the next few days and send you what I find.
Hope that helps...
Gerry
On Jan 8, 2019, at 7:27 PM, Mark Dvorscak <mdvorscak56@gmail.com> wrote:
Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on the M23? Mine feel like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm thinking of ordering some new ones. Mark Dvorscak M23 Faith
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com wrote:
Gary,
The further from home you roam, the more equipment you need on board to take care of the "unexpected" situations you will encounter.
From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a small Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I found at a Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with the Fortress being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long rode.
Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" long, longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.
If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal fender against the piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop two fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you hang the fender board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's replaceable;, but it protects your hull from damage.
Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; the boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is safely moored.
OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig your anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can get ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water for safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so in the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you can board, or go ashore again.
Happy sailing,
Connie
On 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote: When us the LPM?
-----Original Message----- From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!
-----Original Message----- From: doug<doug9326@gmail.com> To: Gary Oberbeck<gilasailr@aol.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that closest tree???
On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Which tree??
-----Original Message----- From: jerry<jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen@mac.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat some fish. Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish out of the trees.
Be good to see you there, Phil.
-----Original Message----- From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
Hi Gary,
Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun instead? Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready!
Phil
On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout
Originally I used spliced halyards; probably 1/4 line on the main, and 5/16 on the jib. 1/8 7X19 wire on all. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Dvorscak Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 7:27 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: M23 halyards Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on the M23? Mine feel like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm thinking of ordering some new ones. Mark Dvorscak M23 Faith On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com wrote:
Gary,
The further from home you roam, the more equipment you need on board to take care of the "unexpected" situations you will encounter.
From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a small Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I found at a Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with the Fortress being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long rode.
Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" long, longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.
If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal fender against the piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop two fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you hang the fender board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's replaceable;, but it protects your hull from damage.
Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; the boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is safely moored.
OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig your anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can get ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water for safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so in the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you can board, or go ashore again.
Happy sailing,
Connie
On 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:
When us the LPM?
-----Original Message----- From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!
-----Original Message----- From: doug<doug9326@gmail.com> To: Gary Oberbeck<gilasailr@aol.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that closest tree???
On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Which tree??
-----Original Message----- From: jerry<jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen@mac.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat some fish. Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish out of the trees.
Be good to see you there, Phil.
-----Original Message----- From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
Hi Gary,
Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun instead? Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready!
Phil
On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout
Thanks for the info. Mine are all line and appear to be about 12mm. I think I should be able to go down to 8 mm without any problems... On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 16:38 <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
Originally I used spliced halyards; probably 1/4 line on the main, and 5/16 on the jib. 1/8 7X19 wire on all.
-----Original Message----- From: Mark Dvorscak Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 7:27 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: M23 halyards
Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on the M23? Mine feel like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm thinking of ordering some new ones. Mark Dvorscak M23 Faith
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com wrote:
Gary,
The further from home you roam, the more equipment you need on board to take care of the "unexpected" situations you will encounter.
From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a small Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I found at a Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with the Fortress being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long rode.
Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" long, longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.
If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal fender against the piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop two fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you hang the fender board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's replaceable;, but it protects your hull from damage.
Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; the boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is safely moored.
OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig your anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can get ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water for safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so in the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you can board, or go ashore again.
Happy sailing,
Connie
On 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:
When us the LPM?
-----Original Message----- From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!
-----Original Message----- From: doug<doug9326@gmail.com> To: Gary Oberbeck<gilasailr@aol.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that closest tree???
On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Which tree??
-----Original Message----- From: jerry<jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen@mac.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat some fish. Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish out of the trees.
Be good to see you there, Phil.
-----Original Message----- From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
Hi Gary,
Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun instead? Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready!
Phil
On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout
On Jan 11, 2019 16:38, <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote: Originally I used spliced halyards; probably 1/4 line on the main, and 5/16 on the jib. 1/8 7X19 wire on all. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Dvorscak Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 7:27 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: M23 halyards Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on the M23? Mine feel like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm thinking of ordering some new ones. Mark Dvorscak M23 Faith On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com wrote:
Gary,
The further from home you roam, the more equipment you need on board to take care of the "unexpected" situations you will encounter.
From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a small Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I found at a Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with the Fortress being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long rode.
Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" long, longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.
If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal fender against the piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop two fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you hang the fender board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's replaceable;, but it protects your hull from damage.
Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; the boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is safely moored.
OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig your anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can get ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water for safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so in the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you can board, or go ashore again.
Happy sailing,
Connie
On 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:
When us the LPM?
-----Original Message----- From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!
-----Original Message----- From: doug<doug9326@gmail.com> To: Gary Oberbeck<gilasailr@aol.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that closest tree???
On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Which tree??
-----Original Message----- From: jerry<jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen@mac.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat some fish. Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish out of the trees.
Be good to see you there, Phil.
-----Original Message----- From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
Hi Gary,
Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun instead? Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready!
Phil
On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout
I'd use no-stretch, and make the jib halyard 5/16; the size is needed to make it hold on the winch and in the cleat. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Dvorscak Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 8:20 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23 halyards Thanks for the info. Mine are all line and appear to be about 12mm. I think I should be able to go down to 8 mm without any problems... On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 16:38 <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
Originally I used spliced halyards; probably 1/4 line on the main, and 5/16 on the jib. 1/8 7X19 wire on all.
-----Original Message----- From: Mark Dvorscak Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 7:27 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: M23 halyards
Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on the M23? Mine feel like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm thinking of ordering some new ones. Mark Dvorscak M23 Faith
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com wrote:
Gary,
The further from home you roam, the more equipment you need on board to take care of the "unexpected" situations you will encounter.
From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a small Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I found at a Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with the Fortress being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long rode.
Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" long, longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.
If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal fender against the piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop two fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you hang the fender board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's replaceable;, but it protects your hull from damage.
Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; the boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is safely moored.
OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig your anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can get ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water for safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so in the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you can board, or go ashore again.
Happy sailing,
Connie
On 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:
When us the LPM?
-----Original Message----- From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!
-----Original Message----- From: doug<doug9326@gmail.com> To: Gary Oberbeck<gilasailr@aol.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that closest tree???
On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Which tree??
-----Original Message----- From: jerry<jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen@mac.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat some fish. Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish out of the trees.
Be good to see you there, Phil.
-----Original Message----- From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
Hi Gary,
Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun instead? Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready!
Phil
On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout
On Jan 11, 2019 16:38, <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote: Originally I used spliced halyards; probably 1/4 line on the main, and 5/16 on the jib. 1/8 7X19 wire on all. -----Original Message----- From: Mark Dvorscak Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 7:27 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: M23 halyards Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on the M23? Mine feel like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm thinking of ordering some new ones. Mark Dvorscak M23 Faith On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com wrote:
Gary,
The further from home you roam, the more equipment you need on board to take care of the "unexpected" situations you will encounter.
From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a small Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I found at a Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with the Fortress being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long rode.
Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" long, longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.
If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal fender against the piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop two fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you hang the fender board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's replaceable;, but it protects your hull from damage.
Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; the boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is safely moored.
OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig your anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can get ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water for safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so in the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you can board, or go ashore again.
Happy sailing,
Connie
On 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:
When us the LPM?
-----Original Message----- From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!
-----Original Message----- From: doug<doug9326@gmail.com> To: Gary Oberbeck<gilasailr@aol.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that closest tree???
On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Which tree??
-----Original Message----- From: jerry<jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen@mac.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat some fish. Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish out of the trees.
Be good to see you there, Phil.
-----Original Message----- From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
Hi Gary,
Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun instead? Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready!
Phil
On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout
5/16 New England VPC is what I'm looking at (Vectran core/polyester cover). I think it will work nicely. Thanks again. Mark On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 22:06 <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
I'd use no-stretch, and make the jib halyard 5/16; the size is needed to make it hold on the winch and in the cleat.
-----Original Message----- From: Mark Dvorscak Sent: Friday, January 11, 2019 8:20 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M23 halyards
Thanks for the info. Mine are all line and appear to be about 12mm. I think I should be able to go down to 8 mm without any problems...
On Fri, Jan 11, 2019, 16:38 <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org wrote:
Originally I used spliced halyards; probably 1/4 line on the main, and 5/16 on the jib. 1/8 7X19 wire on all.
-----Original Message----- From: Mark Dvorscak Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 7:27 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: M23 halyards
Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on the M23? Mine feel like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm thinking of ordering some new ones. Mark Dvorscak M23 Faith
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com wrote:
Gary,
The further from home you roam, the more equipment you need on board to take care of the "unexpected" situations you will encounter.
From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a small Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I found at a Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with the Fortress being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long rode.
Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" long, longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.
If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal fender against the piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop two fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you hang the fender board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's replaceable;, but it protects your hull from damage.
Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; the boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is safely moored.
OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig your anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can get ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water for safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so in the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you can board, or go ashore again.
Happy sailing,
Connie
On 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:
When us the LPM?
-----Original Message----- From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!
-----Original Message----- From: doug<doug9326@gmail.com> To: Gary Oberbeck<gilasailr@aol.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that closest tree???
On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Which tree??
-----Original Message----- From: jerry<jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen@mac.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat some fish. Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish out of the trees.
Be good to see you there, Phil.
-----Original Message----- From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
Hi Gary,
Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun instead? Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready!
Phil
On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout
On Jan 11, 2019 16:38, <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
Originally I used spliced halyards; probably 1/4 line on the main, and 5/16 on the jib. 1/8 7X19 wire on all.
-----Original Message----- From: Mark Dvorscak Sent: Tuesday, January 08, 2019 7:27 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: M23 halyards
Anybody know what the original halyard line size was on the M23? Mine feel like they are a little large for the sheave and I'm thinking of ordering some new ones. Mark Dvorscak M23 Faith
On Sun, Dec 16, 2018, 08:31 Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com wrote:
Gary,
The further from home you roam, the more equipment you need on board to take care of the "unexpected" situations you will encounter.
From my big boat experience: on my M15 I carried three anchors; a small Bruce; a small aluminum Danforth; and a small Fortress that I found at a Tag Sale. These covered sand, mud, rocky bottoms, with the Fortress being a storm anchor with lots of chain and a very long rode.
Then you need a fender board. This is just a 2" X 3" about 36" long, longer is better, with a lanyard at each end.
If you try to tie up to a dock with pilings, and with a tide range, the problem is that the boat will move so how do you keep the horizontal fender against the piling? The answer is a fender board. You drop two fenders; adjust their height; and then outboard of the fenders, you hang the fender board. The fender board can rub against barnacles; it's replaceable;, but it protects your hull from damage.
Now you have a 36" long surface that goes up against the piling; the boat can move (waves / power boat wakes / tide) and the M15/M17 is safely moored.
OFF CENTER HARBOR website has a video showing you a neat way to rig your anchors, one in deep water the other at the beach, so that you can get ashore, but then pull a line that moves the boat out to deeper water for safety overnight. The retrieve line is at the beach, or on board, so in the morning you pull on the line and the boat comes ashore so that you can board, or go ashore again.
Happy sailing,
Connie
On 11/29/2018 11:03 AM, Chuck via montgomery_boats wrote:
When us the LPM?
-----Original Message----- From: Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> To: montgomery_boats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thu, Nov 29, 2018 8:30 am Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
I'll take it's picture the next time I go to the Lake!
-----Original Message----- From: doug<doug9326@gmail.com> To: Gary Oberbeck<gilasailr@aol.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 1:11 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
Thats funny. How about a sand anchor, dirt anchor. How far is that closest tree???
On Nov 27, 2018, at 11:51 AM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats< montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Which tree??
-----Original Message----- From: jerry<jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> To: PHILIP MCCOWIN<pmcc_imagen@mac.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tue, Nov 27, 2018 12:45 pm Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
And we're going to have a fishing contest, and if successful, eat some fish. Dynamite is not allowed unless you bring a chainsaw to get the fish out of the trees.
Be good to see you there, Phil.
-----Original Message----- From: PHILIP MCCOWIN via montgomery_boats Sent: Friday, November 16, 2018 3:59 PM To: Gary Oberbeck ; For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Lake Pleasant AZ Winter Messabout ( replacing WrinkleBoat Ran Tan for 2019)
Hi Gary,
Not involved with the Leukemia Cup Debacle? So, sailing for fun instead? Sounds Good, maybe the Long Steps will be ready!
Phil
On Nov 16, 2018, at 4:46 PM, Gary Oberbeck via montgomery_boats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Lake Pleasant, AZ Winter Messabout
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