Re: M_Boats: Re: reefing
Gilbert: I'm going to revise the current reefing arrangement on Sweet Dream. Right now, I've got a cheek block on the port side of the boom (Harkin Bullet). The 5/16" line from the 1st reef clew grommet goes dwn to the cheek block and then to a horn cleat. The proposed revision is to run a 1/4" line from an eye on the s'board side up to the 1st reef grommet, thru the hole and down to the new cheek block then run along the boom to a clam cleat with built-in fairlead located more forward, near the companionway. I'll tie a knot on the end and leave it loose. This way I can reach the clew reef line easily without having to reach way over the side and grab the boom. When i'm heaved -to, to take in a reef, the jib is backed and main is loose. As I pull in on the boom to reach the clew reef line the boat takes off, rounding down til i let the main go again. Quite a balancing act. Moving the cleat forward should help. The double purchase should also help. I believe that Doug has "Seas" rigged like this. I just had the second set of reef points added to the main but haven't rigged then. Steve suggests that the second reef be set up just like the first but on the opposite side of the boom. I'm going to look at this next week. I've also needed the reef recently. Took Sweet Dream on the Dauphin Island race in 18 - 25 knot winds and 3 to 4 ft head seas. One reef was all I needed, I wanted to keep the power up to blow thru the waves. Averaged 5.2 knots most of the trip. Let me know what you decide. Fair winds Don
Fellow reefers: I use single-line jiffy reefing on the M15 main. A 3/16" Stayset™ line runs from an anchor point on the port side of the boom, up through the reefing grommet near the rear of the sail, down to a cheek block on the starboard side of the boom, forward to a cheek block on the starboard side of the mast at boom height, up through the reefing grommet at the front of the sail, down through a fair-lead on the port side of the mast at boom height, down further to a turning block at the base of the mast and finally to a cam cleat. The reefing procedure is to ease the main sheet a little, go forward to the mast to uncleat the main halyard, lower the halyard while hauling in on the reef line, continuing until the main is fully reefed, then re-tension and cleat the main halyard. The whole process can be done in less than a minute while the tiller tamer™ steers the boat. To unreef, ease the main sheet, release the reef line, and haul the sail up with the halyard; again can be done quickly. --Gary Hyde M15 #235 'Vanilla' N24 'Sailabration' On Thursday, April 29, 2004, at 05:10 AM, LUDLOWD2@aol.com wrote:
Gilbert: I'm going to revise the current reefing arrangement on Sweet Dream. Right now, I've got a cheek block on the port side of the boom (Harkin Bullet). The 5/16" line from the 1st reef clew grommet goes dwn to the cheek block and then to a horn cleat. The proposed revision is to run a 1/4" line from an eye on the s'board side up to the 1st reef grommet, thru the hole and down to the new cheek block then run along the boom to a clam cleat with built-in fairlead located more forward, near the companionway. I'll tie a knot on the end and leave it loose. This way I can reach the clew reef line easily without having to reach way over the side and grab the boom. When i'm heaved -to, to take in a reef, the jib is backed and main is loose. As I pull in on the boom to reach the clew reef line the boat takes off, rounding down til i let the main go again. Quite a balancing act. Moving the cleat forward should help. The double purchase should also help. I believe that Doug has "Seas" rigged like this. I just had the second set of reef points added to the main but haven't rigged then. Steve suggests that the second reef be set up just like the first but on the opposite side of the boom. I'm going to look at this next week. I've also needed the reef recently. Took Sweet Dream on the Dauphin Island race in 18 - 25 knot winds and 3 to 4 ft head seas. One reef was all I needed, I wanted to keep the power up to blow thru the waves. Averaged 5.2 knots most of the trip. Let me know what you decide. Fair winds Don _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Hi Gary, Your set up for reefing must be an upgrade from what I take to be the standard M15 reefing arrangement which leaves the bitter end of the reefing line clam cleated on the boom. That's the arrangement I have, anyhow. But that leaves me with unfastening the tack of the main and re-inserting it into the reefing gromment after I've pulled everything down. Not fun in a blow. I've been considering trying to fit a small reefing hook up there to make this easier, but it sounds like your way of doing it doesn't require messing with the tack of the main or with a hook at the gooseneck. Is that right? Also I was wondering: was there any particular reason you chose to put your forward cheek block on the mast instead of on the boom near the gooseneck? Fair winds... George Burmeyer M15 #385 On 4/29/04 11:17 AM, "Gary M. Hyde" <gmhyde1@mac.com> wrote:
Fellow reefers: I use single-line jiffy reefing on the M15 main. A 3/16" Stayset line runs from an anchor point on the port side of the boom, up through the reefing grommet near the rear of the sail, down to a cheek block on the starboard side of the boom, forward to a cheek block on the starboard side of the mast at boom height, up through the reefing grommet at the front of the sail, down through a fair-lead on the port side of the mast at boom height, down further to a turning block at the base of the mast and finally to a cam cleat.
The reefing procedure is to ease the main sheet a little, go forward to the mast to uncleat the main halyard, lower the halyard while hauling in on the reef line, continuing until the main is fully reefed, then re-tension and cleat the main halyard. The whole process can be done in less than a minute while the tiller tamer steers the boat. To unreef, ease the main sheet, release the reef line, and haul the sail up with the halyard; again can be done quickly. --Gary Hyde M15 #235 'Vanilla' N24 'Sailabration'
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When reefing my M15, I just rerun the Cunningham (downhaul) through the reefing tack grommet and back to the clam cleat. I leave the original tack attached as usual. Bill Riker M15 #184 - Storm Petrel -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of G Burmeyer Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 1:31 AM To: Montgomery Boats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: reefing Hi Gary, Your set up for reefing must be an upgrade from what I take to be the standard M15 reefing arrangement which leaves the bitter end of the reefing line clam cleated on the boom. That's the arrangement I have, anyhow. But that leaves me with unfastening the tack of the main and re-inserting it into the reefing gromment after I've pulled everything down. Not fun in a blow. I've been considering trying to fit a small reefing hook up there to make this easier, but it sounds like your way of doing it doesn't require messing with the tack of the main or with a hook at the gooseneck. Is that right? Also I was wondering: was there any particular reason you chose to put your forward cheek block on the mast instead of on the boom near the gooseneck? Fair winds... George Burmeyer M15 #385 On 4/29/04 11:17 AM, "Gary M. Hyde" <gmhyde1@mac.com> wrote:
Fellow reefers: I use single-line jiffy reefing on the M15 main. A 3/16" Stayset line runs from an anchor point on the port side of the boom, up through the reefing grommet near the rear of the sail, down to a cheek block on the starboard side of the boom, forward to a cheek block on the starboard side of the mast at boom height, up through the reefing grommet at the front of the sail, down through a fair-lead on the port side of the mast at boom height, down further to a turning block at the base of the mast and finally to a cam cleat.
The reefing procedure is to ease the main sheet a little, go forward to the mast to uncleat the main halyard, lower the halyard while hauling in on the reef line, continuing until the main is fully reefed, then re-tension and cleat the main halyard. The whole process can be done in less than a minute while the tiller tamer steers the boat. To unreef, ease the main sheet, release the reef line, and haul the sail up with the halyard; again can be done quickly. --Gary Hyde M15 #235 'Vanilla' N24 'Sailabration'
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Bill, I might have thought of using the Cunningham except I don't have one...yet. On the other hand, even if I had one, I might not have thought of it. That's why I appreciate this list so much: there's always something new to learn. Thanks for the post... --George Burmeyer M15 #385 On 4/30/04 3:00 PM, "William B. Riker" <wriker@mindspring.com> wrote:
When reefing my M15, I just rerun the Cunningham (downhaul) through the reefing tack grommet and back to the clam cleat. I leave the original tack attached as usual.
Bill Riker M15 #184 - Storm Petrel
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of G Burmeyer Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 1:31 AM To: Montgomery Boats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: reefing
Hi Gary,
Your set up for reefing must be an upgrade from what I take to be the standard M15 reefing arrangement which leaves the bitter end of the reefing line clam cleated on the boom. That's the arrangement I have, anyhow. But that leaves me with unfastening the tack of the main and re-inserting it into the reefing gromment after I've pulled everything down. Not fun in a blow. I've been considering trying to fit a small reefing hook up there to make this easier, but it sounds like your way of doing it doesn't require messing with the tack of the main or with a hook at the gooseneck. Is that right?
Also I was wondering: was there any particular reason you chose to put your forward cheek block on the mast instead of on the boom near the gooseneck?
Fair winds...
George Burmeyer M15 #385
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Hello All, There's a great old book out there called "Sailing Illustrated" by Patrick Royce It's an incredible sailing resource. Lots of old knowledge, Information and illustrations of one design boats, and chock full of rigging diagrams. I had the great honor of visiting Mr. Royce before his passing some years back. His wife is carrying on the printing and distribution of the book and you can find it at most West Marines. It covers everything from the rigging on a clipper ship to the rigging on an 8 ft dingy It's a great read and may be of help for those out there who are looking for traditional and alternate rigging solutions Mark Escovedo M17 F/D #103 "Chunky Dory" ----- Original Message ----- From: G Burmeyer<mailto:burmeyer@sbcglobal.net> To: Montgomery Boats<mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, May 01, 2004 5:24 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: reefing Bill, I might have thought of using the Cunningham except I don't have one...yet. On the other hand, even if I had one, I might not have thought of it. That's why I appreciate this list so much: there's always something new to learn. Thanks for the post... --George Burmeyer M15 #385 On 4/30/04 3:00 PM, "William B. Riker" <wriker@mindspring.com<mailto:wriker@mindspring.com>> wrote:
When reefing my M15, I just rerun the Cunningham (downhaul) through the reefing tack grommet and back to the clam cleat. I leave the original tack attached as usual.
Bill Riker M15 #184 - Storm Petrel
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com<mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com> [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmissioncom] On Behalf Of G Burmeyer Sent: Friday, April 30, 2004 1:31 AM To: Montgomery Boats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: reefing
Hi Gary,
Your set up for reefing must be an upgrade from what I take to be the standard M15 reefing arrangement which leaves the bitter end of the reefing line clam cleated on the boom. That's the arrangement I have, anyhow. But that leaves me with unfastening the tack of the main and re-inserting it into the reefing gromment after I've pulled everything down. Not fun in a blow. I've been considering trying to fit a small reefing hook up there to make this easier, but it sounds like your way of doing it doesn't require messing with the tack of the main or with a hook at the gooseneck. Is that right?
Also I was wondering: was there any particular reason you chose to put your forward cheek block on the mast instead of on the boom near the gooseneck?
Fair winds...
George Burmeyer M15 #385
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George: Yes, you are right; and the block is on the mast to get the correct angle of pull on the sail and make sure it stays in the boltrope slot. I just sent an update on the earlier message with photos. --Gary On Thursday, April 29, 2004, at 10:30 PM, G Burmeyer wrote:
Hi Gary,
Your set up for reefing must be an upgrade from what I take to be the standard M15 reefing arrangement which leaves the bitter end of the reefing line clam cleated on the boom. That's the arrangement I have, anyhow. But that leaves me with unfastening the tack of the main and re-inserting it into the reefing gromment after I've pulled everything down. Not fun in a blow. I've been considering trying to fit a small reefing hook up there to make this easier, but it sounds like your way of doing it doesn't require messing with the tack of the main or with a hook at the gooseneck. Is that right?
Also I was wondering: was there any particular reason you chose to put your forward cheek block on the mast instead of on the boom near the gooseneck?
Fair winds...
George Burmeyer M15 #385
On 4/29/04 11:17 AM, "Gary M. Hyde" <gmhyde1@mac.com> wrote:
Fellow reefers: I use single-line jiffy reefing on the M15 main. A 3/16" Stayset™ line runs from an anchor point on the port side of the boom, up through the reefing grommet near the rear of the sail, down to a cheek block on the starboard side of the boom, forward to a cheek block on the starboard side of the mast at boom height, up through the reefing grommet at the front of the sail, down through a fair-lead on the port side of the mast at boom height, down further to a turning block at the base of the mast and finally to a cam cleat.
The reefing procedure is to ease the main sheet a little, go forward to the mast to uncleat the main halyard, lower the halyard while hauling in on the reef line, continuing until the main is fully reefed, then re-tension and cleat the main halyard. The whole process can be done in less than a minute while the tiller tamer™ steers the boat. To unreef, ease the main sheet, release the reef line, and haul the sail up with the halyard; again can be done quickly. --Gary Hyde M15 #235 'Vanilla' N24 'Sailabration'
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Don I ll check my arrangement of boom horns and cheek blocks there are already some installed, just have to figure how the lines run.Your arrangment sonds very similar to Gary's except yours sounds like a single line that runs from the back end of the boom thru the leech reef then forward to the mast and thru the luff reef down to a horn cleat on the mast. How do you keep outhaul tension on the clew? gilbert ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gary M. Hyde" <gmhyde1@mac.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 1:17 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Re: reefing Fellow reefers: I use single-line jiffy reefing on the M15 main. A 3/16" Stayset™ line runs from an anchor point on the port side of the boom, up through the reefing grommet near the rear of the sail, down to a cheek block on the starboard side of the boom, forward to a cheek block on the starboard side of the mast at boom height, up through the reefing grommet at the front of the sail, down through a fair-lead on the port side of the mast at boom height, down further to a turning block at the base of the mast and finally to a cam cleat. The reefing procedure is to ease the main sheet a little, go forward to the mast to uncleat the main halyard, lower the halyard while hauling in on the reef line, continuing until the main is fully reefed, then re-tension and cleat the main halyard. The whole process can be done in less than a minute while the tiller tamer™ steers the boat. To unreef, ease the main sheet, release the reef line, and haul the sail up with the halyard; again can be done quickly. --Gary Hyde M15 #235 'Vanilla' N24 'Sailabration' On Thursday, April 29, 2004, at 05:10 AM, LUDLOWD2@aol.com wrote:
Gilbert: I'm going to revise the current reefing arrangement on Sweet Dream. Right now, I've got a cheek block on the port side of the boom (Harkin Bullet). The 5/16" line from the 1st reef clew grommet goes dwn to the cheek block and then to a horn cleat. The proposed revision is to run a 1/4" line from an eye on the s'board side up to the 1st reef grommet, thru the hole and down to the new cheek block then run along the boom to a clam cleat with built-in fairlead located more forward, near the companionway. I'll tie a knot on the end and leave it loose. This way I can reach the clew reef line easily without having to reach way over the side and grab the boom. When i'm heaved -to, to take in a reef, the jib is backed and main is loose. As I pull in on the boom to reach the clew reef line the boat takes off, rounding down til i let the main go again. Quite a balancing act. Moving the cleat forward should help. The double purchase should also help. I believe that Doug has "Seas" rigged like this. I just had the second set of reef points added to the main but haven't rigged then. Steve suggests that the second reef be set up just like the first but on the opposite side of the boom. I'm going to look at this next week. I've also needed the reef recently. Took Sweet Dream on the Dauphin Island race in 18 - 25 knot winds and 3 to 4 ft head seas. One reef was all I needed, I wanted to keep the power up to blow thru the waves. Averaged 5.2 knots most of the trip. Let me know what you decide. Fair winds Don _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
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I should chip in here, since sometime ago, I complained about the list going off on an automotive tangent. I have a desktop image from Tod Mills of Busca Brisas at the dock that I sail my Pearson Ariel from in Maine. I often daydream about taking Osprey II to this same place, and visualize myself sailing a Montgomery in distant waters. The threads that feed these daydreamsare a wonderful part of this as a resource, the idea of taking a M-17 through the Swedish archipelego or the Adriatic only fuels my enjoyment of this forum. I would chip in a vote for not limiting this forum to narrowly, and recognise that the delete key is a part of my usage of it. There have been many topics which don't pertain to my particular interests, but I know that the poster and many of the list members find value to them, so I scan and delete if appropriate. I will be very sad if this service degrades to a flame fest, and respectfully ask for decorum. Thomas Howe M-17 Osprey II
RANT ON The Montgomery is a pocket _cruiser_. Along the Texas Coastal Bend, where I enjoy sailing, there are thousands of places to go gunk-holing. During the winter months, many of these places will reward you with a close-up view of some of Nature's rarest creatures such as the Whooping cranes. During the summer months, you are guaranteed southeasterly tradewinds that will allow you to set a broad reach with rail buried for as many hours as you like and then simply tack 180 degrees to sail back home. I wouldn't want to do it in any boat other than my M17. Ok, OK, so that's a lie -- I would cheerfully do it in almost any boat -- it's just the M17 makes it so comfortable. When the Chesapeake rendezvous or the San Juan rendezvous happen, I want to hear about it. I've never sailed the Chesapeake and it just might be that something on this forum that motivates me to do that. Connie has certainly motivated me to investigate the eastern shores of the Adriatic. Also, during a recent discussion about how many horses to hang on the transom, it was Connie who politely and tactfully pointed up that sailboats -- Montgomerys included-- are limited by something called 'hull speed'. I really want to see the San Juan fleet try to go through Deception Pass against the 9 knot tidal current -- go ahead, hang twin Merc 150's and see what happens. :-). RANT OFF Connie, I want to hear all your stories -- please keep them coming. Dan Thomas Howe wrote:
I should chip in here, since sometime ago, I complained about the list going off on an automotive tangent. I have a desktop image from Tod Mills of Busca Brisas at the dock that I sail my Pearson Ariel from in Maine. I often daydream about taking Osprey II to this same place, and visualize myself sailing a Montgomery in distant waters. The threads that feed these daydreamsare a wonderful part of this as a resource, the idea of taking a M-17 through the Swedish archipelego or the Adriatic only fuels my enjoyment of this forum. I would chip in a vote for not limiting this forum to narrowly, and recognise that the delete key is a part of my usage of it. There have been many topics which don't pertain to my particular interests, but I know that the poster and many of the list members find value to them, so I scan and delete if appropriate. I will be very sad if this service degrades to a flame fest, and respectfully ask for decorum. Thomas Howe M-17 Osprey II
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Your gunkholing waters sound incredible, Dan. --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dan White" <danwhite@austin.rr.com> To: <Thomas@ThomasHoweOnline.com>; "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, May 06, 2004 2:46 PM Subject: prerogative RANT ON The Montgomery is a pocket _cruiser_. Along the Texas Coastal Bend, where I enjoy sailing, there are thousands of places to go gunk-holing. During the winter months, many of these places will reward you with a close-up view of some of Nature's rarest creatures such as the Whooping cranes. During the summer months, you are guaranteed southeasterly tradewinds that will allow you to set a broad reach with rail buried for as many hours as you like and then simply tack 180 degrees to sail back home. I wouldn't want to do it in any boat other than my M17. Ok, OK, so that's a lie -- I would cheerfully do it in almost any boat -- it's just the M17 makes it so comfortable. When the Chesapeake rendezvous or the San Juan rendezvous happen, I want to hear about it. I've never sailed the Chesapeake and it just might be that something on this forum that motivates me to do that. Connie has certainly motivated me to investigate the eastern shores of the Adriatic. Also, during a recent discussion about how many horses to hang on the transom, it was Connie who politely and tactfully pointed up that sailboats -- Montgomerys included-- are limited by something called 'hull speed'. I really want to see the San Juan fleet try to go through Deception Pass against the 9 knot tidal current -- go ahead, hang twin Merc 150's and see what happens. :-). RANT OFF Connie, I want to hear all your stories -- please keep them coming. Dan Thomas Howe wrote:
I should chip in here, since sometime ago, I complained about the list going off on an automotive tangent. I have a desktop image from Tod Mills of Busca Brisas at the dock that I sail my Pearson Ariel from in Maine. I often daydream about taking Osprey II to this same place, and visualize myself sailing a Montgomery in distant waters. The threads that feed these daydreamsare a wonderful part of this as a resource, the idea of taking a M-17 through the Swedish archipelego or the Adriatic only fuels my enjoyment of this forum. I would chip in a vote for not limiting this forum to narrowly, and recognise that the delete key is a part of my usage of it. There have been many topics which don't pertain to my particular interests, but I know that the poster and many of the list members find value to them, so I scan and delete if appropriate. I will be very sad if this service degrades to a flame fest, and respectfully ask for decorum. Thomas Howe M-17 Osprey II
I'm embarrased to admit, I don't really understand how the stock reefing on my M17 works. The few times I've reefed the main, the result has been a scrap of nylon that ill resembles a sail, with the wadded-up reefed excess bulging and sagging: What's worse the process itself has been slow, clumsy and sloppy. I picture y'all who know what you're doing yanking a couple lines though the proper blocks on your booms to their proper cleats, and instantaneously creating a taught triangle of reefed main, a perfect downsized foil. I imagine you being able to do this efficiently in even the most inclement weather. Do smooth, efficient sail-reefers exist only in my imagination, and if not, how is it done? ----- Original Message ----- From: <LUDLOWD2@aol.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, April 29, 2004 8:10 AM Subject: reefing Gilbert: I'm going to revise the current reefing arrangement on Sweet Dream. Right now, I've got a cheek block on the port side of the boom (Harkin Bullet). The 5/16" line from the 1st reef clew grommet goes dwn to the cheek block and then to a horn cleat. The proposed revision is to run a 1/4" line from an eye on the s'board side up to the 1st reef grommet, thru the hole and down to the new cheek block then run along the boom to a clam cleat with built-in fairlead located more forward, near the companionway. I'll tie a knot on the end and leave it loose. This way I can reach the clew reef line easily without having to reach way over the side and grab the boom. When i'm heaved -to, to take in a reef, the jib is backed and main is loose. As I pull in on the boom to reach the clew reef line the boat takes off, rounding down til i let the main go again. Quite a balancing act. Moving the cleat forward should help. The double purchase should also help. I believe that Doug has "Seas" rigged like this. I just had the second set of reef points added to the main but haven't rigged then. Steve suggests that the second reef be set up just like the first but on the opposite side of the boom. I'm going to look at this next week. I've also needed the reef recently. Took Sweet Dream on the Dauphin Island race in 18 - 25 knot winds and 3 to 4 ft head seas. One reef was all I needed, I wanted to keep the power up to blow thru the waves. Averaged 5.2 knots most of the trip. Let me know what you decide. Fair winds Don
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