Re: M_Boats: Volt/Ammeter connections...
Tom, # of trips to the TruckStop Store X angle of the sun at Noon local time X thickness of Boat$ wad / deck area = Panel Watts. I just looked it up on Google. In a message dated 2/23/2016 1:43:45 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com writes: Question #4, About what size solar array will serve on a 17 using the usual number of gizmos. I am concerned about the required collector panel as deck space is limited. thanks for your advice, John. Tom B On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:29 AM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
These will last a year or two in salt water environments. Longer in fresh. Cheap, but also cheap.
Best unit for a pocket cruiser (or any application actually) with ~6A or smaller 12 volt nominal PV panel is the FlexCharge PV7D. Totally sealed, marine environment ready, and the most efficient charging circuit/algorithm that is also the best for your battery life & health.
http://www.flexcharge.com/PV7D.html
I get them from SolarSeller (John Drake III, old school guy, small specialty business, best prices for what he sells, ships USPS):
http://solarseller.com/seelye_ses_flexcharge_charge_controllers_controller.h...
Full disclosure - I get no kickbacks from either FlexCharge or John
Drake
III for this promo. Just promoting quality stuff I have personal experience with.
cheers, John S.
On 02/22/2016 02:44 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Hiya, yes that's what it is. Even came with a jug of alchohol, wanted to drink it wiring the mast but I resisted. The solar panel doesn't say anything on it, but here's the controller... alas boat time is over :( I keep seeing more..and more...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7z8yzacttsn0dui/20160222_143728.jpg?dl=0
Jazz On Feb 22, 2016 12:59 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Nice job. Is that an alcohol stove I see?
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On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Ahhh...wires tucked and everything back. Visible are the system
switches,
the Master switch, and a dual USB outlet.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/b193rdb4v2x2lcd/20160222_115758.jpg?dl=0
Mast receiver wet inside boat..grrrr. I guess sealing that just
trumped
making the compass light work.
Jazz On Feb 22, 2016 9:44 AM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Truck stop! Excellent!
On Feb 22, 2016 9:43 AM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Just to tie up the ammeter draw question I had as I closed it up last
might. It's showing 13.05 volts today, so I guess the solar charger
is
working on this crap cloudy day.
Jazz On Feb 22, 2016 9:16 AM, "Conbert Benneck" <chbenneck@gmail.com>
wrote:
On 2/22/2016 10:18 AM, David Rifkind wrote: > > Hi David, > > Let me pass on a bit of accumulated wisdom that the whole gang can > use.
> For some very strange reason, there are groups of people with
similar
> requirements, but neither side knows of the others existence. > > Let me suggest that the next time you pass a BIG Truck STOP, drive > in;
park; and go exploring.
> > Aside from toilets / showers / sleeping rooms / restaurants / game > rooms
/ TV lounges / you will eventually find their ACCESSORY Store, and
> Grocery
store.
> > This is where you hit pay dirt. > > Truckers have the same sorts of problems that sailors do. > > They need small packages of detergents / canned goods / food packages > for use in their sleeper cabs. > > Then you will find all sorts of 12 Volt appliances you have never > seen
at WEST Marine.
> > Such as the toaster you just referenced; coffee pots; hair curlers; > it's a sailor's bonanza. > > Of course the things aren't made of stainless steel, but if it rusts > out
in 5 years in a marine environment, so what, you now know where you
> can buy
a replacement (and these things aren't expensive either).
> > Go to a big truck stop: explore; and report back. > > Connie > > > > > On Feb 21, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote: > >> >>> And now we have time for a toast! >>> >>> You have a toaster? >> >> What kind of battery (size and type) do you have? A new electric >> > system
is coming up fast on my list.
>> >> > > >
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Pretty classy, the further south you are the higher the sun angle thus the more sunlight available on any given day inversely proportional to the square footage of the solar array. Thanks. Now how many times do I have to run down to the truck stop?? 🤔 Tom B On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 2:48 PM, GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Tom,
# of trips to the TruckStop Store X angle of the sun at Noon local time X thickness of Boat$ wad / deck area = Panel Watts. I just looked it up on Google.
In a message dated 2/23/2016 1:43:45 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com writes:
Question #4, About what size solar array will serve on a 17 using the usual number of gizmos. I am concerned about the required collector panel as deck space is limited. thanks for your advice, John. Tom B
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:29 AM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
These will last a year or two in salt water environments. Longer in fresh. Cheap, but also cheap.
Best unit for a pocket cruiser (or any application actually) with ~6A or smaller 12 volt nominal PV panel is the FlexCharge PV7D. Totally sealed, marine environment ready, and the most efficient charging circuit/algorithm that is also the best for your battery life & health.
http://www.flexcharge.com/PV7D.html
I get them from SolarSeller (John Drake III, old school guy, small specialty business, best prices for what he sells, ships USPS):
http://solarseller.com/seelye_ses_flexcharge_charge_controllers_controller.h...
Full disclosure - I get no kickbacks from either FlexCharge or John
Drake
III for this promo. Just promoting quality stuff I have personal experience with.
cheers, John S.
On 02/22/2016 02:44 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Hiya, yes that's what it is. Even came with a jug of alchohol, wanted to drink it wiring the mast but I resisted. The solar panel doesn't say anything on it, but here's the controller... alas boat time is over :( I keep seeing more..and more...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7z8yzacttsn0dui/20160222_143728.jpg?dl=0
Jazz On Feb 22, 2016 12:59 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Nice job. Is that an alcohol stove I see?
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On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Ahhh...wires tucked and everything back. Visible are the system
switches,
the Master switch, and a dual USB outlet.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/b193rdb4v2x2lcd/20160222_115758.jpg?dl=0
Mast receiver wet inside boat..grrrr. I guess sealing that just trumped making the compass light work.
Jazz On Feb 22, 2016 9:44 AM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Truck stop! Excellent!
On Feb 22, 2016 9:43 AM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Just to tie up the ammeter draw question I had as I closed it up last > might. It's showing 13.05 volts today, so I guess the solar charger > is
working on this crap cloudy day.
> > Jazz > On Feb 22, 2016 9:16 AM, "Conbert Benneck" <chbenneck@gmail.com> > wrote:
> On 2/22/2016 10:18 AM, David Rifkind wrote: >> >> Hi David, >> >> Let me pass on a bit of accumulated wisdom that the whole gang
can
>> > use.
>> For some very strange reason, there are groups of people with
similar
>> requirements, but neither side knows of the others existence. >> >> Let me suggest that the next time you pass a BIG Truck STOP, drive >> > in;
park; and go exploring.
>> >> Aside from toilets / showers / sleeping rooms / restaurants / game >> > rooms
/ TV lounges / you will eventually find their ACCESSORY Store, and >> > Grocery
store. >> >> This is where you hit pay dirt. >> >> Truckers have the same sorts of problems that sailors do. >> >> They need small packages of detergents / canned goods / food packages >> for use in their sleeper cabs. >> >> Then you will find all sorts of 12 Volt appliances you have never >> > seen
at WEST Marine.
>> >> Such as the toaster you just referenced; coffee pots; hair curlers; >> it's a sailor's bonanza. >> >> Of course the things aren't made of stainless steel, but if it rusts >> > out
in 5 years in a marine environment, so what, you now know where you >> > can buy
a replacement (and these things aren't expensive either). >> >> Go to a big truck stop: explore; and report back. >> >> Connie >> >> >> >> >> On Feb 21, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> >>>> And now we have time for a toast! >>>> >>>> You have a toaster? >>> >>> What kind of battery (size and type) do you have? A new electric >>> >> system
is coming up fast on my list. >>> >>> >> >> >>
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
5hom, I don't know much about it, but mine is exactly the size of the forward hatch and is mounted there...still opens. Jazz On Feb 23, 2016 1:09 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Pretty classy, the further south you are the higher the sun angle thus the more sunlight available on any given day inversely proportional to the square footage of the solar array. Thanks. Now how many times do I have to run down to the truck stop?? 🤔 Tom B
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 2:48 PM, GILASAILR--- via montgomery_boats < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Tom,
# of trips to the TruckStop Store X angle of the sun at Noon local time X thickness of Boat$ wad / deck area = Panel Watts. I just looked it up on Google.
In a message dated 2/23/2016 1:43:45 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com writes:
Question #4, About what size solar array will serve on a 17 using the usual number of gizmos. I am concerned about the required collector panel as deck space is limited. thanks for your advice, John. Tom B
On Tue, Feb 23, 2016 at 12:29 AM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net
wrote:
These will last a year or two in salt water environments. Longer in fresh. Cheap, but also cheap.
Best unit for a pocket cruiser (or any application actually) with ~6A or smaller 12 volt nominal PV panel is the FlexCharge PV7D. Totally sealed, marine environment ready, and the most efficient charging circuit/algorithm that is also the best for your battery life & health.
http://www.flexcharge.com/PV7D.html
I get them from SolarSeller (John Drake III, old school guy, small specialty business, best prices for what he sells, ships USPS):
http://solarseller.com/seelye_ses_flexcharge_charge_controllers_controller.h...
Full disclosure - I get no kickbacks from either FlexCharge or John
Drake
III for this promo. Just promoting quality stuff I have personal experience with.
cheers, John S.
On 02/22/2016 02:44 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Hiya, yes that's what it is. Even came with a jug of alchohol, wanted to drink it wiring the mast but I resisted. The solar panel doesn't say anything on it, but here's the controller... alas boat time is over :( I keep seeing more..and more...
https://www.dropbox.com/s/7z8yzacttsn0dui/20160222_143728.jpg?dl=0
Jazz On Feb 22, 2016 12:59 PM, "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
Nice job. Is that an alcohol stove I see?
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On Mon, Feb 22, 2016 at 2:03 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Ahhh...wires tucked and everything back. Visible are the system
switches,
the Master switch, and a dual USB outlet.
https://www.dropbox.com/s/b193rdb4v2x2lcd/20160222_115758.jpg?dl=0
Mast receiver wet inside boat..grrrr. I guess sealing that just trumped making the compass light work.
Jazz On Feb 22, 2016 9:44 AM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
Truck stop! Excellent! > On Feb 22, 2016 9:43 AM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote: > > Just to tie up the ammeter draw question I had as I closed it up last >> might. It's showing 13.05 volts today, so I guess the solar charger >> > is
working on this crap cloudy day. >> >> Jazz >> On Feb 22, 2016 9:16 AM, "Conbert Benneck" <chbenneck@gmail.com> >> > wrote:
>> On 2/22/2016 10:18 AM, David Rifkind wrote: >>> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> Let me pass on a bit of accumulated wisdom that the whole gang
can
>>> >> use.
>>> For some very strange reason, there are groups of people with
similar
>>> requirements, but neither side knows of the others existence. >>> >>> Let me suggest that the next time you pass a BIG Truck STOP, drive >>> >> in;
park; and go exploring. >>> >>> Aside from toilets / showers / sleeping rooms / restaurants / game >>> >> rooms
> / TV lounges / you will eventually find their ACCESSORY Store, and >>> >> Grocery
> store. >>> >>> This is where you hit pay dirt. >>> >>> Truckers have the same sorts of problems that sailors do. >>> >>> They need small packages of detergents / canned goods / food packages >>> for use in their sleeper cabs. >>> >>> Then you will find all sorts of 12 Volt appliances you have never >>> >> seen
at WEST Marine. >>> >>> Such as the toaster you just referenced; coffee pots; hair curlers; >>> it's a sailor's bonanza. >>> >>> Of course the things aren't made of stainless steel, but if it rusts >>> >> out
> in 5 years in a marine environment, so what, you now know where you >>> >> can buy
> a replacement (and these things aren't expensive either). >>> >>> Go to a big truck stop: explore; and report back. >>> >>> Connie >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> On Feb 21, 2016, at 7:38 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>>> And now we have time for a toast! >>>>> >>>>> You have a toaster? >>>> >>>> What kind of battery (size and type) do you have? A new electric >>>> >>> system
> is coming up fast on my list. >>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>>
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design
- Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
Dear M'ers I have been a member of this list, as an owner/sailor/competitor of, among other craft, the Good Ship Coyote, for decades. Built by our friend Jerry, Ol' FD 69 wore out at least 5 members of the Tucson Sailing Club before retiring to Canada. As an active member of the TSC since 1973, I have enjoyed this list. Wrinkle boats captivated me during my first race against Jerry at Lake Havasu in maybe 1975. That one cost me a case of beer. Later in my sailing days I dragged a 6'8" dinghy all over Baja. My interest in sailboats - Montgomerys/Sages and all other Lyle Hess heritage craft specifically - continues. However, as priorities change I find it necessary to make room on my inbox for other activities. Yesterday before bed, I deleted 44 M-boat messages. It is good to see the interest and enthusiasm from the currently active and others lurking. For me, other things. Best of luck to you all. Any who want to keep in touch, I welcome pertinent posts. As Johnny Carson is credited in saying: "May the wind at your back never be your own." UNSUBSCRIBE. John Lubliner Tucson, Az
John, I hate to see you leave. Let me offer a suggestion about how I handle list mail. I created a mail folder just for Montgomery Boats mail, and created a rule that put any mail with M_Boats in the subject into that folder. Most all mail programs have a simple way to create rules or filters. (I also get administrative messages from the list, so the attached picture of my rule has a couple extra conditions) At my leisure, I sort by subject, scan the contents of the folder, and read what I want. CONTROL+A (in Windows) selects all of the messages in a folder, so a single press of DELETE can get clean out the folder. Some mail programs also use a right click on the folder to offer a delete all popup choice. Please give that a try and see if it helps before leaving us. Keith Diehl On 2/24/2016 8:54 AM, jslubliner--- via montgomery_boats wrote:
Dear M'ers
I have been a member of this list, as an owner/sailor/competitor of, among other craft, the Good Ship Coyote, for decades. Built by our friend Jerry, Ol' FD 69 wore out at least 5 members of the Tucson Sailing Club before retiring to Canada.
As an active member of the TSC since 1973, I have enjoyed this list. Wrinkle boats captivated me during my first race against Jerry at Lake Havasu in maybe 1975. That one cost me a case of beer. Later in my sailing days I dragged a 6'8" dinghy all over Baja.
My interest in sailboats - Montgomerys/Sages and all other Lyle Hess heritage craft specifically - continues. However, as priorities change I find it necessary to make room on my inbox for other activities.
Yesterday before bed, I deleted 44 M-boat messages. It is good to see the interest and enthusiasm from the currently active and others lurking. For me, other things.
Best of luck to you all. Any who want to keep in touch, I welcome pertinent posts. As Johnny Carson is credited in saying: "May the wind at your back never be your own."
UNSUBSCRIBE.
John Lubliner Tucson, Az
Hi Keith, thank you for the suggestion. At this point, I think I'll just go away from the list for a while. If I find myself really missing the conversation, I'll be back. Please UNSUBSCRIBE, if I am doing that correctly.. Thanks and best wishes. John Lubliner -----Original Message----- From: Keith Diehl <kdiehl@xmission.com> To: jslubliner <jslubliner@aol.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wed, Feb 24, 2016 10:57 am Subject: M_Boats: UNCLE or How to Handle List Mail John, I hate to see you leave. Let me offer a suggestion about how I handle list mail. I created a mail folder just for Montgomery Boats mail, and created a rule that put any mail with M_Boats in the subject into that folder. Most all mail programs have a simple way to create rules or filters. (I also get administrative messages from the list, so the attached picture of my rule has a couple extra conditions) At my leisure, I sort by subject, scan the contents of the folder, and read what I want. CONTROL+A (in Windows) selects all of the messages in a folder, so a single press of DELETE can get clean out the folder. Some mail programs also use a right click on the folder to offer a delete all popup choice. Please give that a try and see if it helps before leaving us. Keith Diehl On 2/24/2016 8:54 AM, jslubliner--- via montgomery_boats wrote:
Dear M'ers
I have been a member of this list, as an owner/sailor/competitor of, among other craft, the Good Ship Coyote, for decades. Built by our friend Jerry, Ol' FD 69 wore out at least 5 members of the Tucson Sailing Club before retiring to Canada.
As an active member of the TSC since 1973, I have enjoyed this list. Wrinkle boats captivated me during my first race against Jerry at Lake Havasu in maybe 1975. That one cost me a case of beer. Later in my sailing days I dragged a 6'8" dinghy all over Baja.
My interest in sailboats - Montgomerys/Sages and all other Lyle Hess heritage craft specifically - continues. However, as priorities change I find it necessary to make room on my inbox for other activities.
Yesterday before bed, I deleted 44 M-boat messages. It is good to see the interest and enthusiasm from the currently active and others lurking. For me, other things.
Best of luck to you all. Any who want to keep in touch, I welcome pertinent posts. As Johnny Carson is credited in saying: "May the wind at your back never be your own."
UNSUBSCRIBE.
John Lubliner Tucson, Az
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