Dale, I am wondering if there is any problem with just using a bolt, washers, and a nut that locks in ( I think I am using the right terms - my mechanical knowledge isn't much). My friend who is working on the boat for me wants to do a quick fix for the season and then really work on the boat next winter, so he wondered why one would need to use the epoxy. Wouldn't water get in there anyway? I found a bolt at West Marine for $5.00 that is what they call marine grade stainless steel. It fit perfectly (3/8") and I was going to cut off the head and the threads to make it a pin but am now wondering if that is necessary. Cherri ----------
From: "Honshells" <chonshell@ia4u.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: m-15 pivot pin Date: Sat, Apr 13, 2002, 2:06 PM
Dale, I'd love to see that pic on the MSOG website. Thanks, Craig
p.s. Did you bevel the leading edge of your new steel board/do any "airfoil" shaping of any kind?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Williams" <dalew@brainerd.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 11:39 PM Subject: M_Boats: m-15 pivot pin
Cherri:
I had a centerboard made from steel and will want to drop it out for inspection from time to time. Since I don't want to monkey around with epoxy each time, I cut a pin to the width of the keel and had the ends tapped. Allen bolts inserted through caps screw into each end of the pin and hold in place. John, who made my board and the pin set-up said that he would be glad to make pins for anyone who was interested for ( I would have to check with him in case I am remembering wrong) $20, shipping included. If you are interested I can take a picture of my keel with the pin in it and post it on the web for you.
Dale Williams Staples, MN M-15 #185 "Sophie Mae"
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Gotta love the internet. RIGHT NOW, this very minute, I'm wrestling with the Chimpanzee the M-15's centerboard pivot. (The boat is dangling from the forks of a forklift about 10 yards from this computer.) My pivot pin was held in place with a blob of 3M 5200 mounded on the outside of the keel. Kludgy and not very good for speed. I was scheming to make up little keeper plates or something that would be screwed into the keel, not much better than the blob of 3M 5200. In this thread, however I read about a pivot pin that is shorter than the thickness of the keel, with a plug of epoxy on either side. That's perfect. That's how I'm going to do it. Back to the boat. Cheers, John Chesapeake Light Craft The Best Boats You Can Build http://www.clcboats.com
Cherri, Use a large washer on both sides and the bolt will do nicely for the season. Stan
necessary? What's "necessary"? I''m sure the bolt would work just fine. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Pavuk" <mcpavuk@worldnet.att.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Saturday, April 13, 2002 3:40 Subject: Re: M_Boats: m-15 pivot pin
Dale, I am wondering if there is any problem with just using a bolt, washers, and a nut that locks in ( I think I am using the right terms - my mechanical knowledge isn't much). My friend who is working on the boat for me wants to do a quick fix for the season and then really work on the boat next winter, so he wondered why one would need to use the epoxy. Wouldn't water get in there anyway? I found a bolt at West Marine for $5.00 that is what they call marine grade stainless steel. It fit perfectly (3/8") and I was going to cut off the head and the threads to make it a pin but am now wondering if that is necessary. Cherri ----------
From: "Honshells" <chonshell@ia4u.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: m-15 pivot pin Date: Sat, Apr 13, 2002, 2:06 PM
Dale, I'd love to see that pic on the MSOG website. Thanks, Craig
p.s. Did you bevel the leading edge of your new steel board/do any "airfoil" shaping of any kind?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Williams" <dalew@brainerd.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 11:39 PM Subject: M_Boats: m-15 pivot pin
Cherri:
I had a centerboard made from steel and will want to drop it out for inspection from time to time. Since I don't want to monkey around with epoxy each time, I cut a pin to the width of the keel and had the ends tapped. Allen bolts inserted through caps screw into each end of the pin and hold
in
place. John, who made my board and the pin set-up said that he would be glad to make pins for anyone who was interested for ( I would have to check with him in case I am remembering wrong) $20, shipping included. If you are interested I can take a picture of my keel with the pin in it and post it on the web for you.
Dale Williams Staples, MN M-15 #185 "Sophie Mae"
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Cherri, I had a spare pin. If I can find it you can have it. I am convinced the pin virbrates out while trailering. I trailer about 3 - 4k miles every year. The hole for the pin on my boat is probably larger than normal due to wear. I keep the pin in useing a piece of sail repair tape on both sides. Thanks Doug --- Mark Pavuk <mcpavuk@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
Dale, I am wondering if there is any problem with just using a bolt, washers, and a nut that locks in ( I think I am using the right terms - my mechanical knowledge isn't much). My friend who is working on the boat for me wants to do a quick fix for the season and then really work on the boat next winter, so he wondered why one would need to use the epoxy. Wouldn't water get in there anyway? I found a bolt at West Marine for $5.00 that is what they call marine grade stainless steel. It fit perfectly (3/8") and I was going to cut off the head and the threads to make it a pin but am now wondering if that is necessary. Cherri ----------
From: "Honshells" <chonshell@ia4u.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: m-15 pivot pin Date: Sat, Apr 13, 2002, 2:06 PM
Dale, I'd love to see that pic on the MSOG website.
Thanks, Craig
p.s. Did you bevel the leading edge of your new
steel board/do any
"airfoil" shaping of any kind?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Williams" <dalew@brainerd.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 11:39 PM Subject: M_Boats: m-15 pivot pin
Cherri:
I had a centerboard made from steel and will want to drop it out for inspection from time to time. Since I don't want to monkey around with epoxy each time, I cut a pin to the width of the keel and had the ends tapped. Allen bolts inserted through caps screw into each end of the pin and hold in place. John, who made my board and the pin set-up said that he would be glad to make pins for anyone who was interested for ( I would have to check with him in case I am remembering wrong) $20, shipping included. If you are interested I can take a picture of my keel with the pin in it and post it on the web for you.
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Hi Cherri: A bolt will work just fine! Your friend's "quick fix" would last for years. My friend just offered to finish my pin the way I described earlier and I like the look of it better than a bolt and nut (in case anyone happens to swim by the keel). I am not one of the experts on the list, but I think the epoxy is only used to keep the pin from working its way out of the keel, not to keep water out. After offering to take a picture of my pin, I found out that the digital camera tfrom our department is on a trip to Canada with a group of students. I will look around and see if I can borrow another in the near future. I hope you are able to sail your boat soon. You will love it! Dale Mark Pavuk wrote:
Dale, I am wondering if there is any problem with just using a bolt, washers, and a nut that locks in ( I think I am using the right terms - my mechanical knowledge isn't much). My friend who is working on the boat for me wants to do a quick fix for the season and then really work on the boat next winter, so he wondered why one would need to use the epoxy. Wouldn't water get in there anyway? I found a bolt at West Marine for $5.00 that is what they call marine grade stainless steel. It fit perfectly (3/8") and I was going to cut off the head and the threads to make it a pin but am now wondering if that is necessary. Cherri ----------
From: "Honshells" <chonshell@ia4u.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: M_Boats: m-15 pivot pin Date: Sat, Apr 13, 2002, 2:06 PM
Dale, I'd love to see that pic on the MSOG website. Thanks, Craig
p.s. Did you bevel the leading edge of your new steel board/do any "airfoil" shaping of any kind?
----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Williams" <dalew@brainerd.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 11:39 PM Subject: M_Boats: m-15 pivot pin
Cherri:
I had a centerboard made from steel and will want to drop it out for inspection from time to time. Since I don't want to monkey around with epoxy each time, I cut a pin to the width of the keel and had the ends tapped. Allen bolts inserted through caps screw into each end of the pin and hold in place. John, who made my board and the pin set-up said that he would be glad to make pins for anyone who was interested for ( I would have to check with him in case I am remembering wrong) $20, shipping included. If you are interested I can take a picture of my keel with the pin in it and post it on the web for you.
Dale Williams Staples, MN M-15 #185 "Sophie Mae"
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I'm assuming you countersunk the bolt, or were you willing to put up with the additional (and, perhaps, inconsequential) drag? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Dale Williams" <dalew@brainerd.net> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 11:21 PM Subject: M_Boats: m-15 pivot pin Hi Cherri: A bolt will work just fine! Your friend's "quick fix" would last for years. My friend just offered to finish my pin the way I described earlier and I like the look of it better than a bolt and nut (in case anyone happens to swim by the keel). I am not one of the experts on the list, but I think the epoxy is only used to keep the pin from working its way out of the keel, not to keep water out. After offering to take a picture of my pin, I found out that the digital camera tfrom our department is on a trip to Canada with a group of students. I will look around and see if I can borrow another in the near future. I hope you are able to sail your boat soon. You will love it! Dale
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