Today, with my husband offering to take the kids to the movie, I was faced with the first sunny day in over a week, a perfect brisk wind, but no family to sail with me. I decided I was ready to get out on my own in "Ceto", my M17. The good news is, due to the boltrope system on the main, I am finally ready to publish my "Alaskan Profanity Encyclopedia"! Ha ha. With no one to keep the boat pointed into the wind, I had a *really* annoying time trying to get that sail up! The $60 pre-feeder we bought awhile ago was a total failure. The sail got mashed up in it worse than it gets fouled up in the mast slot. I think it was designed for a stiffer sail. On the bright side, I was able to try out the 150% genoa, without kids to scream "MOM! We're at 30 DEGREES!!!!" (My 11 year old daughter has taken to monitoring the inclinometer as though it were a heart monitor.) I had a 10 k or so breeze for the first hour of beating my way through a narrow passage, then broke out into this huge space where I had tons of room to do anything. That was good, because I had that big genoa out, and the wind picked up to about 25 k, so I could really test the close hauled abilities of the boat. I was heeled about 25 degrees for about 45 minutes straight, and one question I have for you guys is, how typical is it, for the centerboard to bang around while close hauled? We got used to it banging when we'd run downwind (then we'd reel it up), but is it normal for it to bang around while beating into the wind? How much stress can the pins and cb slot handle? I did have a wild current pushing against the wind, and some crazy washtub like wave action, so with the strong heeling, I was thinking the waves must have been pushing the cb around more than normal? This was such an amazingly fun sail, even if I was alone. The genoa dragging into the bright, sharp waves, the sunshine, the slice of the hull against the saltwater...aaaahhh. It was awesome! Danelle "Ceto" M17 #378 Ketchikan, AK
Hi Danelle
. The good news is, due to the boltrope system on the main, I am finally ready to publish my "Alaskan Profanity Encyclopedia"! Ha ha. With no one to keep the boat pointed into the wind, I had a *really* annoying time trying to get that sail up! The $60 pre-feeder we bought awhile ago was a total failure. The sail got mashed up in it worse than it gets fouled up in the mast slot. I think it was designed for a stiffer sail.
For what it's worth, I usually set the headsail on a starboard tack before hoisting main. That way I can get the boat settled on a (strbd) beam reach, get my butt on the coach roof and work the main up.
I was heeled about 25 degrees for about 45 minutes straight, and one question I have for you guys is, how typical is it, for the centerboard to bang around while close hauled? We got used to it banging when we'd run downwind (then we'd reel it up), but is it normal for it to bang around while beating into the wind? How much stress can the pins and cb slot handle? I did have a wild current pushing against the wind, and some crazy washtub like wave action, so with the strong heeling, I was thinking the waves must have been pushing the cb around more than normal?
My never bangs to wind but does downhill....and I often crank it up downwind.
This was such an amazingly fun sail, even if I was alone. The genoa dragging into the bright, sharp waves, the sunshine, the slice of the hull against the saltwater...aaaahhh. It was awesome!
I have had many days like that this season already. What fun! Good for you...SAIL ON.
Off for another day in Paradise. Cheers, Tim and his M17 PUFF on Canada's Med...... Okanagan Lake. (gonna be 100 degrees today....and windy)
Hello, Danielle, There are a number of things which have tested my "Texas Profanity Dictionary". One is feeding a boltrope into a mast slot and another is Centerboards. Boltrope feeds are great for racing sailors because they give a smoother airflow around the mast but for cruising, I use sail slugs and a closure on the boltrope slot feed aperature. Sail slugs can be pruchased very reasonably from almost any sailing supply source and attached around the boltrope with riggers twine or a special attachment clip. I have done this to several boats I have owned and it is well worth the sore fingers from the riggers needle. My M17, Griselda, has a full batten main with slugs. Sure makes life easier. All the posts about centerboard problems make me glad that my M17 is as Lyle Hess origonally designed it with a cast iron fin keel. The extra draft (39") will probably add to the "Texas Profanity Dictonary" when I am finding the shoal areas in my cove but the bottom is soft mud and it will be easy to get off. Experience and a depth sounder should help a lot. I have had a number of CB boats over the past 55 years and all of them have had problems with jamming, broken pendants and water spurting. I got to know Griselda well over the 25 years my Brother owned her and was very happy to take her off his hands a few weeks ago. It was very sad for me to see her on the hard for 15 years after he gave up sailing after a bout with skin cancer. She is now undergoing a refit to correct the years of neglect and I hope to have her back in the water in a few weeks. I am looking forward to those nice windy days when I can put the rail down and go "like a freight train". Ron M17 #14 Griselda
From: tim@timtone.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 09:10:09 -0700> Subject: Re: M_Boats: first singlehanding> > >Hi Danelle> > .> The good news is, due to the boltrope system on the main, I am finally ready> to publish my "Alaskan Profanity Encyclopedia"! Ha ha. With no one to keep> the boat pointed into the wind, I had a *really* annoying time trying to get> that sail up! The $60 pre-feeder we bought awhile ago was a total failure. > The sail got mashed up in it worse than it gets fouled up in the mast slot. > I think it was designed for a stiffer sail. > > >For what it's worth, I usually set the headsail on a starboard tack before> hoisting main. That way I can get the boat settled on a (strbd) beam reach,> get my butt on the coach roof and work the main up.> > I was heeled about 25 degrees for about 45 minutes straight, and one> question I have for you guys is, how typical is it, for the centerboard to> bang around while close hauled? We got used to it banging when we'd run> downwind (then we'd reel it up), but is it normal for it to bang around> while beating into the wind? How much stress can the pins and cb slot> handle? I did have a wild current pushing against the wind, and some crazy> washtub like wave action, so with the strong heeling, I was thinking the> waves must have been pushing the cb around more than normal?> > >My never bangs to wind but does downhill....and I often crank it up> downwind. > > This was such an amazingly fun sail, even if I was alone. The genoa> dragging into the bright, sharp waves, the sunshine, the slice of the hull> against the saltwater...aaaahhh. It was awesome!> > >I have had many days like that this season already. What fun! Good for> you...SAIL ON.> > Off for another day in Paradise.> > Cheers, > Tim and his M17 PUFF on Canada's Med...... Okanagan Lake. > (gonna be 100 degrees today....and windy)> > > > > > _______________________________________________> http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
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Hi Danelle, Slugs on the main are the way to go. They stack when the main is down, and they go upo the slot easily when you are hoisting the main. I never had a problem with them on my M15 solo sailing. Glad to hear that you had such a great sail. It just gets better and better as you become more familiar with your M17. CB banging about in a seaway is pretty normal. If you are hard on the wind, side loading of the CB should keep it quiet, but on a broad reach - with some clearance of the board in the CB slot, it does have room to move sideways. When it does, it creates noise. Many years ago I had a centerboard racing sloop on a lake in Germany. The boat's name was Bear, and in the right sailing conditions, the CB would set up a noise, and we just laughed and said the Bear is growling.... as we ate up our competitors in a race. Connie Danelle Landis wrote:
Today, with my husband offering to take the kids to the movie, I was faced with the first sunny day in over a week, a perfect brisk wind, but no family to sail with me. I decided I was ready to get out on my own in "Ceto", my M17. The good news is, due to the boltrope system on the main, I am finally ready to publish my "Alaskan Profanity Encyclopedia"! Ha ha. With no one to keep the boat pointed into the wind, I had a *really* annoying time trying to get that sail up! The $60 pre-feeder we bought awhile ago was a total failure. The sail got mashed up in it worse than it gets fouled up in the mast slot. I think it was designed for a stiffer sail. On the bright side, I was able to try out the 150% genoa, without kids to scream "MOM! We're at 30 DEGREES!!!!" (My 11 year old daughter has taken to monitoring the inclinometer as though it were a heart monitor.) I had a 10 k or so breeze for the first hour of beating my way through a narrow passage, then broke out into this huge space where I had tons of room to do anything. That was good, because I had that big genoa out, and the wind picked up to about 25 k, so I could really test the close hauled abilities of the boat. I was heeled about 25 degrees for about 45 minutes straight, and one question I have for you guys is, how typical is it, for the centerboard to bang around while close hauled? We got used to it banging when we'd run downwind (then we'd reel it up), but is it normal for it to bang around while beating into the wind? How much stress can the pins and cb slot handle? I did have a wild current pushing against the wind, and some crazy washtub like wave action, so with the strong heeling, I was thinking the waves must have been pushing the cb around more than normal? This was such an amazingly fun sail, even if I was alone. The genoa dragging into the bright, sharp waves, the sunshine, the slice of the hull against the saltwater...aaaahhh. It was awesome! Danelle "Ceto" M17 #378 Ketchikan, AK
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