Re: M_Boats: montgomery_boats Digest, Vol 138, Issue 1

5 Aug 2014

      Northern California sail:  Humboldt Bay

TwoCan will be sailing out of Eureka over Labor Day
weekend, along with some local Sacto area Potter
Yachter friends coming with a Potter 19

We will be arriving Saturday (avoiding the Friday Bay
Area exodus) and staying through Tuesday morning
(again avoiding the driving on Labor Day).
We'll be getting a slip at Eureka Public Marina. Not
a race; just an opportunity to mess about a beautiful
area with steady breezes for a couple of days.

Anyone fellow Monty or Sage owners want to
rendezvous, feel free to chime in.

-Neil

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Today's Topics:

   1. Re: saltwater? (Dave Scobie)
   2. Re: saltwater? (stevetrapp)
   3. Re: saltwater? AIR BORN back in WA? (Dave Scobie)
   4. 2004 Ser#624 (Thomas Budington)
   5. Re: 2004 Ser#624 (Tom Stala)
   6. Re: 2004 Ser#624 (Rich Makela)
   7. Welcome (Thomas Buzzi)
   8. Re: Welcome (Thomas Budington)
   9. Barnacles (Conbert Benneck)
  10. Re: Advice or help needed from San Francisco Bay
      areaMontgomery Sailors (Henry Rodriguez)
  11. Re: Yamaha 4HP outboard (Dave Scobie)
  12. Re: 2004 Ser#624 (Bill Wickett)
  13. Oakland Estuary Ramps (David Grah)
  14. Re: Advice or help needed from San Francisco Bay
      areaMontgomery Sailors (Dave Scobie)
  15. Re: Advice or help needed from San Francisco
      BayareaMontgomery Sailors (Henry Rodriguez)
  16. Sailhavasu - Feature Film of Last time- it's
coming	again....
      (Nebwest2@aol.com)
  17. Delta Ditch race (jerry montgomery)
  18. Re: Delta Ditch race (GILASAILR@aol.com)

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 13:47:23 -0600

Steve:

My old M15 and the Sage 17 AIR BORN didn't/don't have
antifouling bottom
paint.  neither spent/spend much time in saltwater.

the longest my M15 spent was about 10 days.  the
longest for AIR BORN is 15
days.

after this time both boats had slime on the bottom
and AIR BORN had one,
very small barnacle (hadn't stuck hard, flicked it
off with my
fingernail).  the slime came off easily when taking
the boat through a car
wash (ie, the you use a power washer wand and
'foaming brush' kind).

my M17, SWEET PEA, lived on a buoy in Quartermaster
Harbor (Vashon Is.) for
about 20 years.  she has bottom paint.  since i've
owned SWEET PEA, she has
lived on her trailer excluding times cruising
(longest in-water time just
over three weeks).

if you were to keep a boat, any boat, in the PNW
saltwater more than a
couple of weeks you need to apply antifouling.  it is
also best if you
apply a barrier coat to the boat before applying
anitfouling, if the boat
will be in water long-term (more than a couple of
months barrier coat is to
protect the bottom against blistering,

yeah, bottom paint ain't cheap.  i bet a M15 would
need less than 2Q.  a
Sage 17 needs just over 2Q.

-- 
:: Dave Scobie
:: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com

On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 12:05 PM, stevetrapp
<stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
...
Dave,
   I was surprised to read that you have sailed
your M-17 on the waters of
Puget Sound.  I moved to the South Puget Sound area
two years ago and towed
my M-15 along after previously having had it on the
fresh and cold water of
Lake Couer D' Alene in
Idaho.  I heard admonishment from local boat owners
about the damage the
waters of Puget Sound can cause, and upon
discovering that hull paint runs
about $ 400 gallon, have taken the approach that
scrubbing and rinsing with
fresh water would be a less expensive approach. 
Have seen your Sage 17 on
its trailer near waters of Puget Sound, but did not
observe expensive hull
paint.  What do you do regarding protecting your
boat from saltwater?
Steve
M-15 # 335
------------------------------

Message: 2
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 14:14:04 -0700

Dave,
    Thanx.  Are you planning to tow Air Born to
Olympia for Harbor Days at 
the end of August?
There is a power washer at the boat yard at Swantown.
Steve
M-15 # 335

----- Original Message ----- 

<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
...
Steve:
My old M15 and the Sage 17 AIR BORN didn't/don't
have antifouling bottom
paint.  neither spent/spend much time in saltwater.
the longest my M15 spent was about 10 days.  the
longest for AIR BORN is 
15
days.
after this time both boats had slime on the bottom
and AIR BORN had one,
very small barnacle (hadn't stuck hard, flicked it
off with my
fingernail).  the slime came off easily when taking
the boat through a car
wash (ie, the you use a power washer wand and
'foaming brush' kind).
my M17, SWEET PEA, lived on a buoy in Quartermaster
Harbor (Vashon Is.) 
for
about 20 years.  she has bottom paint.  since i've
owned SWEET PEA, she 
has
lived on her trailer excluding times cruising
(longest in-water time just
over three weeks).
if you were to keep a boat, any boat, in the PNW
saltwater more than a
couple of weeks you need to apply antifouling.  it
is also best if you
apply a barrier coat to the boat before applying
anitfouling, if the boat
will be in water long-term (more than a couple of
months barrier coat is 
to
protect the bottom against blistering,
yeah, bottom paint ain't cheap.  i bet a M15 would
need less than 2Q.  a
Sage 17 needs just over 2Q.
-- 
:: Dave Scobie
:: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 12:05 PM, stevetrapp
<stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
...
Dave,
   I was surprised to read that you have sailed
your M-17 on the waters 
of
Puget Sound.  I moved to the South Puget Sound
area two years ago and 
towed
my M-15 along after previously having had it on
the fresh and cold water 
of
Lake Couer D' Alene in
Idaho.  I heard admonishment from local boat
owners about the damage the
waters of Puget Sound can cause, and upon
discovering that hull paint 
runs
about $ 400 gallon, have taken the approach that
scrubbing and rinsing 
with
fresh water would be a less expensive approach. 
Have seen your Sage 17 
on
its trailer near waters of Puget Sound, but did
not observe expensive 
hull
paint.  What do you do regarding protecting your
boat from saltwater?
Steve
M-15 # 335
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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2014 19:11:34 -0600

Steve:

i'll likely not be back to WA until July 2015.

-- 
:: Dave Scobie
:: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com

On Thu, Jul 31, 2014 at 3:14 PM, stevetrapp
<stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
...
Dave,
   Thanx.  Are you planning to tow Air Born to
Olympia for Harbor Days at
the end of August?
There is a power washer at the boat yard at Swantown.
Steve
M-15 # 335
------------------------------

Message: 4
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 10:14:42 -0700

Hi,? I own at 2004 17ft Montgomery and enjoy sail
with my grandson on the Hudson River in NY. I read
some of the blogs and find them helpful.

Just wanted to intro myself, Tom 

------------------------------

Message: 5
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 14:39:35 -0400

Hi Tom, my. My name is Tom and I also have
aMontgomery 17 and sail out of Haverstraw. Where
along the Hudson are you located?

Sent from my iPhone
...
On Aug 1, 2014, at 1:14 PM, Thomas Budington via
montgomery_boats
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi,  I own at 2004 17ft Montgomery and enjoy sail
with my grandson on the Hudson River in NY. I read
some of the blogs and find them helpful.
Just wanted to intro myself, Tom
------------------------------

Message: 6
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 13:45:19 -0500

Tom,

Welcome to the gang.  Weather permitting, I plan to
sail with my grandson
this afternoon on Lake Calhoun in Minneapolis.

Rich Makela
M-17 #233 - Harmony

-----Original Message-----

Budington via montgomery_boats

Hi,? I own at 2004 17ft Montgomery and enjoy sail
with my grandson on the
Hudson River in NY. I read some of the blogs and find
them helpful.

Just wanted to intro myself, Tom 

------------------------------

Message: 7
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 13:59:14 -0500

Hello Tom, on the Hudson.
I used to live and sail along the coast of
Connecticut. Now I sail my M-17,
or will soon, off Rockport, Tx.
Today I am repairing some gelcoat and will wash and
coat the hull with some
substance called "NuGlass 2".
This week I removed the aluminum rails from the hull
to inspect the
hull/deck joint. All looks fine and after treating
the hull and painting
the deck I will reinstall the soon to be repainted
aluminum rails. Amazing
the amount of dirt that collected beneath those
during the last 38 years.
Very satisfying to get it all cleaned out and their
removal will greatly
aid in my getting a good paint job done on the deck.
I find puttering around on the boat almost as much
fun as sailing in it.
Retirement has given me the time to do so.
Unfortunately my grandson lives
about 1500 miles away. I would love to introduce him
to sailing.
Welcome aboard,
Tom Buzzi, M17, #258, 1977

------------------------------

Message: 8
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 12:22:26 -0700

Hi Tom,
Yeah, "messing about in boats" is a worthy thing to
do!? I hope you get to sail with your grandson, as we
know time goes by so fast...
Enjoy "messing about" and will be reading the blog.

Tom Budington 

On Friday, August 1, 2014 3:01 PM, Thomas Buzzi
<thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:

Hello Tom, on the Hudson.
I used to live and sail along the coast of
Connecticut. Now I sail my M-17,
or will soon, off Rockport, Tx.
Today I am repairing some gelcoat and will wash and
coat the hull with some
substance called "NuGlass 2".
This week I removed the aluminum rails from the hull
to inspect the
hull/deck joint. All looks fine and after treating
the hull and painting
the deck I will reinstall the soon to be repainted
aluminum rails. Amazing
the amount of dirt that collected beneath those
during the last 38 years.
Very satisfying to get it all cleaned out and their
removal will greatly
aid in my getting a good paint job done on the deck.
I find puttering around on the boat almost as much
fun as sailing in it.
Retirement has given me the time to do so.
Unfortunately my grandson lives
about 1500 miles away. I would love to introduce him
to sailing.
Welcome aboard,
Tom Buzzi, M17, #258, 1977

------------------------------

Message: 9
Date: Fri, 01 Aug 2014 15:19:37 -0500

Eons ago, we were heading for Europe, to sail our new
Northeast 38 toy, 
that I had pretty much bought sight-unseen for $15K-
fully equipped, in 
Denmark. The intent was to find out what sort of
problems I had bought, 
fix them / or get them fixed, before planning to sail
it back to the 
States the following year.

Our T-L 29 was in the water her normal spot at Fort
Rachel Marine at 
Mystic, CT, and I left our Dyer 7'-9" dinghy tied up
alongside the 
mother ship while we were gone.

The Dyer dink didn't have any anti-fouling paint on
the bottom.

We were gone for about two months.

When we were back in Connecticut again, we headed to
Mystic to go 
sailing.  After bailing out all the rain water that
had collected during 
our absence,  I untied the dinghy, to moor it astern,
it felt very 
sluggish.

What gives?

I hauled it up on the dock, and was dumbfounded to
see the bottom of the 
dinghy totally covered with a thick layer of
barnacles. They had found a 
new happy home during our absence, and had been
fruitful and multiplied....

I spent the next several hours with a paint scraper,
laboriously 
removing the barnacles - large and small - and making
a large mess on 
the dock, before washing them back into the water,
for the edification 
of the sea gulls and cormorants.

I was so busy kicking myself for my stupidity, that I
didn't think of 
weighing or measuring the volume of barnacles
removed, but I assure you 
the whole bottom of the dinghy, every square inch of
it, was totally 
cover with barnacles; some as big as a dime.  A wild
guess on my part 
would be about 30 lbs of barnacles that I removed.

Let me assure you, the little crustaceans hold on the
fiberglass bottom 
was extremely tenacious.  My removal efforts were
just a tad under using 
dynamite and blasting, and you could see the little
round areas where 
each had firmly attached itself to the Dyer hull as
they were chiseled away.

My conclusion:

If a boat is moving - as on a cruise - your chances
of growing barnacles 
diminish.  They like their quite undisturbed sex,
such as I offered with 
the bottom of our dinghy.
A moving boat makes it more difficult for them to
attach themselves.

Our T-L 29 had anti-fouling paint and we never had a
problem with 
barnacles, other than on the propeller shaft or
propeller blades 
themselves (that were unpainted).

A few weeks cruising shouldn't present a barnacle
problem, but beware if 
the boat just sits at a salt water Marina and doesn't
move for weeks; 
and it doesn't have anti-fouling paint on the bottom.

Then barnacles will cry "Whoopy, we've found a new
home, let the sex 
orgy start"  and you will have a big problem.

The next time I was gone for a time, I left the
dinghy overturned on the 
foredeck.

One lesson learned was enough for me.

Connie

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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 17:57:47 -0500

"4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size.  the 'old'
Yamaha 4HP was
perfect.  Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the
way of Suzuki (see
below)."

By 'old' do you mean 2-stroke or 90s vintage
4-stroke?  There is a 90s 4-stroke on my local
Craigslist but I think it is a short shaft.

-----Original Message-----

i use a 4HP Suzuki outboard on my M17.  never had
issue with having 'enough
power' and i have sailed the boat mostly on Puget
Sound, and the waters
around the San Juan Islands and Gulf Islands. 
sailing in these areas
requires planning when you pass through channels and
other areas that have
strong tide caused current.

the M17 is a displacement hull ... you are not going
to get her going much
faster than hull speed no matter how much HP you put
on the boat.  (Jerry
Montgomery has some interesting stories on what some
folks have
done/attempted.)

4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size.  the 'old'
Yamaha 4HP was
perfect.  Yamaha discontinued this motor and went the
way of Suzuki (see
below).

a 5HP is more than enough.

i know some that have a Suzuki 6HP, which is the same
motor as the 4HP (the
4HP has a 'smaller' carb and doesn't have an external
tank nor alternator
option, these last two items are why folks have the 6HP).

more folks have started to use the Honda 2HP (now
sold as the 2.3HP) on the
M17.  this motor will move the boat just fine to
about 4.5kts in light seas
and winds.  the 31 pound 2HP is another reason.  a
lot less weight to carry
around v. the 60+ pounds of a 4HP+ outboard.

i know a couple that uses a Yamaha 2.5 on the M17 and
they cruise the same
areas i do in the PNW.  the only limitations with the
Yamaha are the lack
of an external tank and the motor is only available
in a short shaft.

-- 
:: Dave Scobie
:: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
...
From: Richard Conn <connmanr@hotmail.com>
Hi,
...
I'm selling my on-the-water town house in
Pittsburg, and giving my 2001
Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda.  It's
about time, I turned 88
last month.  I've sailed up to Martinez in her, and
around the Delta,
during those 14 years, but never further west. 
Because my dock was right
behind the house I never had a trailer.
When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed I
would sail her up to
whatever slip space he gets on the Island.  Now I'm
wondering.  Is that a
reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker? 
Have any of you done it,
and how long did it take.
I'm anxious for your input.  If you all think
sailing Beatrice would be
crazy, is there anybody out there who would
consider renting me a trailer
for a weekend.  If so, it would be towed by my son
who's 38 years my junior,
Thanks for listening and kind regards,
Richard Conn
------------------------------

Message: 11
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 17:41:03 -0600

Henry:

i'm referring to the 'true' 4-stroke 4HP motor Yamaha
made until
2010/2011.  i almost bought one in summer 2010 ...
wish i had!

-- 
:: Dave Scobie
:: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com

On Fri, Aug 1, 2014 at 4:57 PM, Henry Rodriguez
<heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
...
"4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size.  the
'old' Yamaha 4HP was
perfect.  Yamaha discontinued this motor and went
the way of Suzuki (see
below)."
By 'old' do you mean 2-stroke or 90s vintage
4-stroke?  There is a 90s
4-stroke on my local Craigslist but I think it is a
short shaft.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com>
Sent: ?7/?31/?2014 10:42 AM
i use a 4HP Suzuki outboard on my M17.  never had
issue with having 'enough
power' and i have sailed the boat mostly on Puget
Sound, and the waters
around the San Juan Islands and Gulf Islands. 
sailing in these areas
requires planning when you pass through channels
and other areas that have
strong tide caused current.
the M17 is a displacement hull ... you are not
going to get her going much
faster than hull speed no matter how much HP you
put on the boat.  (Jerry
Montgomery has some interesting stories on what
some folks have
done/attempted.)
4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size.  the 'old'
Yamaha 4HP was
perfect.  Yamaha discontinued this motor and went
the way of Suzuki (see
below).
a 5HP is more than enough.
i know some that have a Suzuki 6HP, which is the
same motor as the 4HP (the
4HP has a 'smaller' carb and doesn't have an
external tank nor alternator
option, these last two items are why folks have the
6HP).
more folks have started to use the Honda 2HP (now
sold as the 2.3HP) on the
M17.  this motor will move the boat just fine to
about 4.5kts in light seas
and winds.  the 31 pound 2HP is another reason.  a
lot less weight to carry
around v. the 60+ pounds of a 4HP+ outboard.
i know a couple that uses a Yamaha 2.5 on the M17
and they cruise the same
areas i do in the PNW.  the only limitations with
the Yamaha are the lack
of an external tank and the motor is only available
in a short shaft.
--
:: Dave Scobie
:: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
...
From: Richard Conn <connmanr@hotmail.com>
Hi,
...
I'm selling my on-the-water town house in
Pittsburg, and giving my 2001
Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. 
It's about time, I turned
88
last month.  I've sailed up to Martinez in her,
and around the Delta,
during those 14 years, but never further west. 
Because my dock was right
behind the house I never had a trailer.
When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed
I would sail her up to
whatever slip space he gets on the Island.  Now
I'm wondering.  Is that a
reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker?
 Have any of you done
it,
and how long did it take.
I'm anxious for your input.  If you all think
sailing Beatrice would be
crazy, is there anybody out there who would
consider renting me a trailer
for a weekend.  If so, it would be towed by my
son who's 38 years my
junior,
Thanks for listening and kind regards,
Richard Conn
------------------------------

Message: 12
Date: Fri, 1 Aug 2014 19:59:11 -0400

Hi Tom. 

Welcome to the list. We are sailing the north shore
of Lake Ontario this week. Leaving from Grimsby Ontario. 

Bill
...
On Aug 1, 2014, at 1:14 PM, Thomas Budington via
montgomery_boats
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> wrote:
Hi,  I own at 2004 17ft Montgomery and enjoy sail
with my grandson on the Hudson River in NY. I read
some of the blogs and find them helpful.
Just wanted to intro myself, Tom
------------------------------

Message: 13
Date: Sat, 2 Aug 2014 11:52:34 -0700

In a few weeks we're taking our Montgomery 15 to the
Delta and to San Francisco Bay for a couple of
overnight outings. I grew up sailing out of Berkeley,
and have sailed our Montgomery out of Berkeley
before. Sailing out the Oakland Estuary sounds like a
fun change.

The thing is I am not familiar with the ramps in the
Oakland Estuary nor their advantages and
disadvantages, especially when planning to park a
vehicle and trailer overnight. Maybe the parking at
some ramps gets full sometimes too.

Would anyone familiar with ramps in the Oakland
Estuary be so kind as to share their thoughts? Thanks!

David Grah
Bishop California
Montgomery 15 - Sky

------------------------------

Message: 14
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 15:53:34 -0600

Henry.

Received your Craigslist email. Motor does look like
a short shaft. Hey
short shaft outboard can be a challenge on an M 17 as
it will cavitate in
even a slight sea.

:: Dave Scobie
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA
:: Former M15 owner
On Aug 1, 2014 4:58 PM, "Henry Rodriguez"
<heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
...
"4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size.  the
'old' Yamaha 4HP was
perfect.  Yamaha discontinued this motor and went
the way of Suzuki (see
below)."
By 'old' do you mean 2-stroke or 90s vintage
4-stroke?  There is a 90s
4-stroke on my local Craigslist but I think it is a
short shaft.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com>
Sent: ?7/?31/?2014 10:42 AM
To: "Judith Blumhorst, DC" <drjudyb@blumhorst.com>;
"For and about
Montgomery Sailboats"
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice or help needed from
San Francisco Bay
areaMontgomery Sailors
i use a 4HP Suzuki outboard on my M17.  never had
issue with having 'enough
power' and i have sailed the boat mostly on Puget
Sound, and the waters
around the San Juan Islands and Gulf Islands. 
sailing in these areas
requires planning when you pass through channels
and other areas that have
strong tide caused current.
the M17 is a displacement hull ... you are not
going to get her going much
faster than hull speed no matter how much HP you
put on the boat.  (Jerry
Montgomery has some interesting stories on what
some folks have
done/attempted.)
4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size.  the 'old'
Yamaha 4HP was
perfect.  Yamaha discontinued this motor and went
the way of Suzuki (see
below).
a 5HP is more than enough.
i know some that have a Suzuki 6HP, which is the
same motor as the 4HP (the
4HP has a 'smaller' carb and doesn't have an
external tank nor alternator
option, these last two items are why folks have the
6HP).
more folks have started to use the Honda 2HP (now
sold as the 2.3HP) on the
M17.  this motor will move the boat just fine to
about 4.5kts in light seas
and winds.  the 31 pound 2HP is another reason.  a
lot less weight to carry
around v. the 60+ pounds of a 4HP+ outboard.
i know a couple that uses a Yamaha 2.5 on the M17
and they cruise the same
areas i do in the PNW.  the only limitations with
the Yamaha are the lack
of an external tank and the motor is only available
in a short shaft.
--
:: Dave Scobie
:: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
...
From: Richard Conn <connmanr@hotmail.com>
Hi,
...
I'm selling my on-the-water town house in
Pittsburg, and giving my 2001
Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. 
It's about time, I turned
88
last month.  I've sailed up to Martinez in her,
and around the Delta,
during those 14 years, but never further west. 
Because my dock was right
behind the house I never had a trailer.
When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed
I would sail her up to
whatever slip space he gets on the Island.  Now
I'm wondering.  Is that a
reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker?
 Have any of you done
it,
and how long did it take.
I'm anxious for your input.  If you all think
sailing Beatrice would be
crazy, is there anybody out there who would
consider renting me a trailer
for a weekend.  If so, it would be towed by my
son who's 38 years my
junior,
Thanks for listening and kind regards,
Richard Conn
------------------------------

Message: 15
Date: Sun, 3 Aug 2014 22:46:39 -0500

Ok, thanks!

-----Original Message-----

Henry.

Received your Craigslist email. Motor does look like
a short shaft. Hey
short shaft outboard can be a challenge on an M 17 as
it will cavitate in
even a slight sea.

:: Dave Scobie
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA
:: Former M15 owner
On Aug 1, 2014 4:58 PM, "Henry Rodriguez"
<heinzir@gmail.com> wrote:
...
"4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size.  the
'old' Yamaha 4HP was
perfect.  Yamaha discontinued this motor and went
the way of Suzuki (see
below)."
By 'old' do you mean 2-stroke or 90s vintage
4-stroke?  There is a 90s
4-stroke on my local Craigslist but I think it is a
short shaft.
-----Original Message-----
From: "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com>
Sent: ?7/?31/?2014 10:42 AM
To: "Judith Blumhorst, DC" <drjudyb@blumhorst.com>;
"For and about
Montgomery Sailboats"
<montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com>
Subject: Re: M_Boats: Advice or help needed from
San Francisco Bay
areaMontgomery Sailors
i use a 4HP Suzuki outboard on my M17.  never had
issue with having 'enough
power' and i have sailed the boat mostly on Puget
Sound, and the waters
around the San Juan Islands and Gulf Islands. 
sailing in these areas
requires planning when you pass through channels
and other areas that have
strong tide caused current.
the M17 is a displacement hull ... you are not
going to get her going much
faster than hull speed no matter how much HP you
put on the boat.  (Jerry
Montgomery has some interesting stories on what
some folks have
done/attempted.)
4HP, in my opinion, is the perfect size.  the 'old'
Yamaha 4HP was
perfect.  Yamaha discontinued this motor and went
the way of Suzuki (see
below).
a 5HP is more than enough.
i know some that have a Suzuki 6HP, which is the
same motor as the 4HP (the
4HP has a 'smaller' carb and doesn't have an
external tank nor alternator
option, these last two items are why folks have the
6HP).
more folks have started to use the Honda 2HP (now
sold as the 2.3HP) on the
M17.  this motor will move the boat just fine to
about 4.5kts in light seas
and winds.  the 31 pound 2HP is another reason.  a
lot less weight to carry
around v. the 60+ pounds of a 4HP+ outboard.
i know a couple that uses a Yamaha 2.5 on the M17
and they cruise the same
areas i do in the PNW.  the only limitations with
the Yamaha are the lack
of an external tank and the motor is only available
in a short shaft.
--
:: Dave Scobie
:: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred
:: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com
...
From: Richard Conn <connmanr@hotmail.com>
Hi,
...
I'm selling my on-the-water town house in
Pittsburg, and giving my 2001
Montgomery 17 to my son who lives in Alameda. 
It's about time, I turned
88
last month.  I've sailed up to Martinez in her,
and around the Delta,
during those 14 years, but never further west. 
Because my dock was right
behind the house I never had a trailer.
When I offered the boat to my son I just assumed
I would sail her up to
whatever slip space he gets on the Island.  Now
I'm wondering.  Is that a
reasonable sail, or motor with my 5 horse kicker?
 Have any of you done
it,
and how long did it take.
I'm anxious for your input.  If you all think
sailing Beatrice would be
crazy, is there anybody out there who would
consider renting me a trailer
for a weekend.  If so, it would be towed by my
son who's 38 years my
junior,
Thanks for listening and kind regards,
Richard Conn
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Message: 16
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 01:09:27 -0400

are you???   Sure Hope So!!   Monty Drivers  Wanted!!!!

 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JJRRu1unI18 

Website updated with new information soon, but plan
on this February!!! 

www.sailhavasu.com

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Message: 17
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 15:52:04 -0700

To Sacramento sailors-  I just entered my Sage in the
Delta Ditch race, put on by the Lake Washington
Sailing Club, which is an annual race held this Sat,
starting at Rio Vista and ending at Lake Washington
in W Sacatomatoes.

I heard about it by snooping on the Potter forum;
lots of Potters entered.  The race is 30 mi down the
deep water channel and appears to be downwind all the
way.

Neil?  Anyone?  Sounds like a long but easy race to
me.  You can find it at the Lake Wash site or at the
Potter section of the Trailer Sailor forum.

jerry

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Message: 18
Date: Tue, 5 Aug 2014 20:24:36 -0400 (EDT)

I'd be all over that one - but they have my name on a
list in Sacto after  
that visit last month ..something about wildcats or......

Get yourself a good spinn trimmer and ROMP that one !
! Go gettum !

GO

In a message dated 8/5/2014 3:52:26 P.M. US Mountain
Standard Time,  
jerry@jerrymontgomery.org writes:

To  Sacramento sailors-  I just entered my Sage in
the Delta Ditch race, 
put  on by the Lake Washington Sailing Club, which is
an annual race held this 
Sat,  starting at Rio Vista and ending at Lake
Washington in W  
Sacatomatoes.

I heard about it by snooping on the Potter forum;
lots of  Potters entered. 
 The race is 30 mi down the deep water channel and 
appears to be downwind 
all the way.

Neil?  Anyone?  Sounds  like a long but easy race to
me.  You can find it 
at the Lake Wash site  or at the Potter section of
the Trailer Sailor  forum.

jerry

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