Recently ordered Don Casey's book, "Sailboat Maintenance Manual". The order sent to Practical Sailor Magazine was drop shipped to some gentleman in Washington state. Took about a month to straighten that out but now I do have the book here in Texas and it was worth the hassle. I am on the "wrong" end of a long list of things to do for my M 17 but by starting with the purchase of this tome I took the best first step. It is well written, well illustrated and after just twenty minutes of browsing through it I picked up an enormous amount of information about how to do what I have to do here. I am one of those "lets use what we have on hand" and that will NOT work on fiberglass boat repair. It looks like the procurement of the proper materials will take some time on the front end of any of the projects but all efforts expended will be in the right direction. I highly recommend this book to anybody who is starting to lavish TLC on a fiberglass boat. Don't let the price dissuade you (about $60). It will pay for itself many times over by the time you are finished with your masterpiece. Fair winds, Tom B, M17 #258
You can get this book at Powells for 42 bucks. An order over 50 is shipped free. Surely one can find another book for 8 bucks (many sailing oriented books available)? Go to www.powells.com t On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>wrote:
Recently ordered Don Casey's book, "Sailboat Maintenance Manual". The order sent to Practical Sailor Magazine was drop shipped to some gentleman in Washington state. Took about a month to straighten that out but now I do have the book here in Texas and it was worth the hassle. I am on the "wrong" end of a long list of things to do for my M 17 but by starting with the purchase of this tome I took the best first step. It is well written, well illustrated and after just twenty minutes of browsing through it I picked up an enormous amount of information about how to do what I have to do here. I am one of those "lets use what we have on hand" and that will NOT work on fiberglass boat repair. It looks like the procurement of the proper materials will take some time on the front end of any of the projects but all efforts expended will be in the right direction. I highly recommend this book to anybody who is starting to lavish TLC on a fiberglass boat. Don't let the price dissuade you (about $60). It will pay for itself many times over by the time you are finished with your masterpiece.
Fair winds, Tom B, M17 #258
On 15-Oct-13 12:06 PM, Tom Smith wrote: . Hi Tom, If you are newcomer to working with fiberglass, then the first book you need is the Gugeon WEST Epoxy Manual. It's free, and gives you a thorough grounding in how to work with fiberglass / epoxy / make repairs / and modifications to your boat. Look them up on the Internet, and it will probably tell you how to get their Manual. Don't start work without it! Connie
You can get this book at Powells for 42 bucks. An order over 50 is shipped free. Surely one can find another book for 8 bucks (many sailing oriented books available)? Go to www.powells.com t
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>wrote:
Recently ordered Don Casey's book, "Sailboat Maintenance Manual". The order sent to Practical Sailor Magazine was drop shipped to some gentleman in Washington state. Took about a month to straighten that out but now I do have the book here in Texas and it was worth the hassle. I am on the "wrong" end of a long list of things to do for my M 17 but by starting with the purchase of this tome I took the best first step. It is well written, well illustrated and after just twenty minutes of browsing through it I picked up an enormous amount of information about how to do what I have to do here. I am one of those "lets use what we have on hand" and that will NOT work on fiberglass boat repair. It looks like the procurement of the proper materials will take some time on the front end of any of the projects but all efforts expended will be in the right direction. I highly recommend this book to anybody who is starting to lavish TLC on a fiberglass boat. Don't let the price dissuade you (about $60). It will pay for itself many times over by the time you are finished with your masterpiece.
Fair winds, Tom B, M17 #258
Thanks for the tip, Conbert, I already downloaded that and it does cover the FG part of things extemely well. My work on my boat will include much more than that though. On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:20 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net>wrote:
On 15-Oct-13 12:06 PM, Tom Smith wrote: .
Hi Tom,
If you are newcomer to working with fiberglass, then the first book you need is the Gugeon WEST Epoxy Manual.
It's free, and gives you a thorough grounding in how to work with fiberglass / epoxy / make repairs / and modifications to your boat.
Look them up on the Internet, and it will probably tell you how to get their Manual.
Don't start work without it!
Connie
You can get this book at Powells for 42 bucks. An order over 50 is shipped free. Surely one can find another book for 8 bucks (many sailing oriented books available)? Go to www.powells.com t
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com
wrote:
Recently ordered Don Casey's book, "Sailboat Maintenance Manual". The
order sent to Practical Sailor Magazine was drop shipped to some gentleman in Washington state. Took about a month to straighten that out but now I do have the book here in Texas and it was worth the hassle. I am on the "wrong" end of a long list of things to do for my M 17 but by starting with the purchase of this tome I took the best first step. It is well written, well illustrated and after just twenty minutes of browsing through it I picked up an enormous amount of information about how to do what I have to do here. I am one of those "lets use what we have on hand" and that will NOT work on fiberglass boat repair. It looks like the procurement of the proper materials will take some time on the front end of any of the projects but all efforts expended will be in the right direction. I highly recommend this book to anybody who is starting to lavish TLC on a fiberglass boat. Don't let the price dissuade you (about $60). It will pay for itself many times over by the time you are finished with your masterpiece.
Fair winds, Tom B, M17 #258
Tom, If you are familiar with Powell's, is it because you live and sail in the PNW? Steve M-15 # 335 South Puget Sound ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 9:06 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boat fixin'
You can get this book at Powells for 42 bucks. An order over 50 is shipped free. Surely one can find another book for 8 bucks (many sailing oriented books available)? Go to www.powells.com t
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>wrote:
Recently ordered Don Casey's book, "Sailboat Maintenance Manual". The order sent to Practical Sailor Magazine was drop shipped to some gentleman in Washington state. Took about a month to straighten that out but now I do have the book here in Texas and it was worth the hassle. I am on the "wrong" end of a long list of things to do for my M 17 but by starting with the purchase of this tome I took the best first step. It is well written, well illustrated and after just twenty minutes of browsing through it I picked up an enormous amount of information about how to do what I have to do here. I am one of those "lets use what we have on hand" and that will NOT work on fiberglass boat repair. It looks like the procurement of the proper materials will take some time on the front end of any of the projects but all efforts expended will be in the right direction. I highly recommend this book to anybody who is starting to lavish TLC on a fiberglass boat. Don't let the price dissuade you (about $60). It will pay for itself many times over by the time you are finished with your masterpiece.
Fair winds, Tom B, M17 #258
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I wonder if the $42 book at Powell's is a used copy? I priced the book at our locally owned book store and found it $ 59. 95 + tax for a new hardback copy, but used softback copies for less. I prefer a softback copy for use on my boat because I think it will be a bit less vulnerable to water drops and other wear and tear from use, but the softback edition is no longer in print, so I am waiting and hoping for a decent used softback to show up before I commit to the cost of a new hardback. However, I agree Sailboat Maintenance Manual by Don Casey is a must have book, and I hope I can to dig out less than 3 copies of Jackson's portrait to get if. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 9:06 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boat fixin'
You can get this book at Powells for 42 bucks. An order over 50 is shipped free. Surely one can find another book for 8 bucks (many sailing oriented books available)? Go to www.powells.com t
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com>wrote:
Recently ordered Don Casey's book, "Sailboat Maintenance Manual". The order sent to Practical Sailor Magazine was drop shipped to some gentleman in Washington state. Took about a month to straighten that out but now I do have the book here in Texas and it was worth the hassle. I am on the "wrong" end of a long list of things to do for my M 17 but by starting with the purchase of this tome I took the best first step. It is well written, well illustrated and after just twenty minutes of browsing through it I picked up an enormous amount of information about how to do what I have to do here. I am one of those "lets use what we have on hand" and that will NOT work on fiberglass boat repair. It looks like the procurement of the proper materials will take some time on the front end of any of the projects but all efforts expended will be in the right direction. I highly recommend this book to anybody who is starting to lavish TLC on a fiberglass boat. Don't let the price dissuade you (about $60). It will pay for itself many times over by the time you are finished with your masterpiece.
Fair winds, Tom B, M17 #258
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Is this the same book that is on Amazon for $35. Illustrated Sailboat Maintenance Manual...six books in one? On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:30 AM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I wonder if the $42 book at Powell's is a used copy? I priced the book at our locally owned book store and found it $ 59. 95 + tax for a new hardback copy, but used softback copies for less. I prefer a softback copy for use on my boat because I think it will be a bit less vulnerable to water drops and other wear and tear from use, but the softback edition is no longer in print, so I am waiting and hoping for a decent used softback to show up before I commit to the cost of a new hardback. However, I agree Sailboat Maintenance Manual by Don Casey is a must have book, and I hope I can to dig out less than 3 copies of Jackson's portrait to get if. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 9:06 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boat fixin'
You can get this book at Powells for 42 bucks. An order over 50 is shipped free. Surely one can find another book for 8 bucks (many sailing oriented books available)? Go to www.powells.com t
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com wrote:
Recently ordered Don Casey's book, "Sailboat Maintenance Manual". The order sent to Practical Sailor Magazine was drop shipped to some gentleman in Washington state. Took about a month to straighten that out but now I do have the book here in Texas and it was worth the hassle. I am on the "wrong" end of a long list of things to do for my M 17 but by starting with the purchase of this tome I took the best first step. It is well written, well illustrated and after just twenty minutes of browsing through it I picked up an enormous amount of information about how to do what I have to do here. I am one of those "lets use what we have on hand" and that will NOT work on fiberglass boat repair. It looks like the procurement of the proper materials will take some time on the front end of any of the projects but all efforts expended will be in the right direction. I highly recommend this book to anybody who is starting to lavish TLC on a fiberglass boat. Don't let the price dissuade you (about $60). It will pay for itself many times over by the time you are finished with your masterpiece.
Fair winds, Tom B, M17 #258
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I think you hit the jackpot! Yup, this is the "six books in one" thing. On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 2:33 PM, Gail Russell <gail@zeliga.com> wrote:
Is this the same book that is on Amazon for $35. Illustrated Sailboat Maintenance Manual...six books in one?
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:30 AM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I wonder if the $42 book at Powell's is a used copy? I priced the book at our locally owned book store and found it $ 59. 95 + tax for a
new
hardback copy, but used softback copies for less. I prefer a softback copy for use on my boat because I think it will be a bit less vulnerable to water drops and other wear and tear from use, but the softback edition is no longer in print, so I am waiting and hoping for a decent used softback to show up before I commit to the cost of a new hardback. However, I agree Sailboat Maintenance Manual by Don Casey is a must have book, and I hope I can to dig out less than 3 copies of Jackson's portrait to get if. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 9:06 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boat fixin'
You can get this book at Powells for 42 bucks. An order over 50 is shipped free. Surely one can find another book for 8 bucks (many sailing oriented books available)? Go to www.powells.com t
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com wrote:
Recently ordered Don Casey's book, "Sailboat Maintenance Manual". The order sent to Practical Sailor Magazine was drop shipped to some gentleman in Washington state. Took about a month to straighten that out but now I do have the book here in Texas and it was worth the hassle. I am on the "wrong" end of a long list of things to do for my M 17 but by starting with the purchase of this tome I took the best first step. It is well written, well illustrated and after just twenty minutes of browsing through it I picked up an enormous amount of information about how to do what I have to do here. I am one of those "lets use what we have on hand" and that will NOT work on fiberglass boat repair. It looks like the procurement of the proper materials will take some time on the front end of any of the projects but all efforts expended will be in the right direction. I highly recommend this book to anybody who is starting to lavish TLC on a fiberglass boat. Don't let the price dissuade you (about $60). It will pay for itself many times over by the time you are finished with your masterpiece.
Fair winds, Tom B, M17 #258
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Don't know if it is the same book as Amazon, don't know what is on Amazon, or Barness and Noble, because I prefer to shop at locally owned bookstores. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Gail Russell" <gail@zeliga.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 12:33 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M_Boats :book Boat fixin'
Is this the same book that is on Amazon for $35. Illustrated Sailboat Maintenance Manual...six books in one?
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:30 AM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I wonder if the $42 book at Powell's is a used copy? I priced the book at our locally owned book store and found it $ 59. 95 + tax for a new hardback copy, but used softback copies for less. I prefer a softback copy for use on my boat because I think it will be a bit less vulnerable to water drops and other wear and tear from use, but the softback edition is no longer in print, so I am waiting and hoping for a decent used softback to show up before I commit to the cost of a new hardback. However, I agree Sailboat Maintenance Manual by Don Casey is a must have book, and I hope I can to dig out less than 3 copies of Jackson's portrait to get if. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 9:06 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boat fixin'
You can get this book at Powells for 42 bucks. An order over 50 is shipped free. Surely one can find another book for 8 bucks (many sailing oriented books available)? Go to www.powells.com t
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com wrote:
Recently ordered Don Casey's book, "Sailboat Maintenance Manual". The order sent to Practical Sailor Magazine was drop shipped to some gentleman in Washington state. Took about a month to straighten that out but now I do have the book here in Texas and it was worth the hassle. I am on the "wrong" end of a long list of things to do for my M 17 but by starting with the purchase of this tome I took the best first step. It is well written, well illustrated and after just twenty minutes of browsing through it I picked up an enormous amount of information about how to do what I have to do here. I am one of those "lets use what we have on hand" and that will NOT work on fiberglass boat repair. It looks like the procurement of the proper materials will take some time on the front end of any of the projects but all efforts expended will be in the right direction. I highly recommend this book to anybody who is starting to lavish TLC on a fiberglass boat. Don't let the price dissuade you (about $60). It will pay for itself many times over by the time you are finished with your masterpiece.
Fair winds, Tom B, M17 #258
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While we're talking about Don Casey Books (the Illustrated Sailboat Maintenance Manual), there's another of his books that I really liked: Sensible Cruising: The Thoreau Approach : A Philosophic and Practical Approach to Cruising This book was a revelation to me to make sailing fun on a very limited grad student budget. I had been hanging out at yacht clubs and the sailnet forums where many sailors spend hundreds of thousands to rig their boats- and I was a bit embarrassed that I had such a small boat with simple 1970s style rigging (i.e. no lines to the cockpit). Some people even told me I shouldn't own a boat until I could finance a new large boat that would be "comfortable and safe." This book made me realize that the simpler I setup my boat, the less hassle and more fun it could be. One example I really liked was their discussion on internal vs external halyards. Rather than discussing the relative merits, Casey says (if I remember correctly) "whichever system your boat came with- that's the one for you." Tyler M15 "Defiant" ----- Original Message ----- From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp@q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:59:50 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M_Boats :book Boat fixin' Don't know if it is the same book as Amazon, don't know what is on Amazon, or Barness and Noble, because I prefer to shop at locally owned bookstores. Steve M-15 # 335
Hi Tyler, I too have spent many a day walking the docks and drooling over the "gold platers" available to the public. My first "real" sailboat was an M 17 purchased when I was 30. I spent the ensuing decades trading up until finally I ended up with a beautiful 36' S2 which I could no longer single hand safely and for which I could barely afford a bottom job. Their is a happy medium between size, expense and complexity and everyone has a different "goldie locks" spot. So now I have an M17 again. That is my ideal boat. It may take you years also but the sooner you can realize your ideal the better. Safety is as safety does. Anybody can risk lives on a large boat or a small one,or be safe on either. Basic knowledge of what goes on "out there" and why and a good dose of basic seamanship well salted with common sense (what can I do here to save my hide and those who step onto my boat?) are a good place to start any boating career. You have a sound, safe craft to practice what you learn with that M 15. Fair winds, Tom B M17#258 On Wed, Oct 16, 2013 at 2:36 PM, <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
While we're talking about Don Casey Books (the Illustrated Sailboat Maintenance Manual), there's another of his books that I really liked:
Sensible Cruising: The Thoreau Approach : A Philosophic and Practical Approach to Cruising
This book was a revelation to me to make sailing fun on a very limited grad student budget. I had been hanging out at yacht clubs and the sailnet forums where many sailors spend hundreds of thousands to rig their boats- and I was a bit embarrassed that I had such a small boat with simple 1970s style rigging (i.e. no lines to the cockpit). Some people even told me I shouldn't own a boat until I could finance a new large boat that would be "comfortable and safe." This book made me realize that the simpler I setup my boat, the less hassle and more fun it could be.
One example I really liked was their discussion on internal vs external halyards. Rather than discussing the relative merits, Casey says (if I remember correctly) "whichever system your boat came with- that's the one for you."
Tyler M15 "Defiant"
----- Original Message ----- From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp@q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:59:50 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M_Boats :book Boat fixin'
Don't know if it is the same book as Amazon, don't know what is on Amazon, or Barness and Noble, because I prefer to shop at locally owned bookstores. Steve M-15 # 335
I found hardback and softback copies of Don Casey's books, including hardback and softback copies of The Complete Illustrated Sailboat Maintenance Manual at my local public library. Seems a possible alternative for a limited budget. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: <casioqv@usermail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:36 PM Subject: M_Boats: Other Don Casey Books: Sensible Cruising
While we're talking about Don Casey Books (the Illustrated Sailboat Maintenance Manual), there's another of his books that I really liked:
Sensible Cruising: The Thoreau Approach : A Philosophic and Practical Approach to Cruising
This book was a revelation to me to make sailing fun on a very limited grad student budget. I had been hanging out at yacht clubs and the sailnet forums where many sailors spend hundreds of thousands to rig their boats- and I was a bit embarrassed that I had such a small boat with simple 1970s style rigging (i.e. no lines to the cockpit). Some people even told me I shouldn't own a boat until I could finance a new large boat that would be "comfortable and safe." This book made me realize that the simpler I setup my boat, the less hassle and more fun it could be.
One example I really liked was their discussion on internal vs external halyards. Rather than discussing the relative merits, Casey says (if I remember correctly) "whichever system your boat came with- that's the one for you."
Tyler M15 "Defiant"
----- Original Message ----- From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp@q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:59:50 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M_Boats :book Boat fixin'
Don't know if it is the same book as Amazon, don't know what is on Amazon, or Barness and Noble, because I prefer to shop at locally owned bookstores. Steve M-15 # 335
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Great suggestion. Also, I think most libraries will order a book they don't carry over Inter-Library Loan (ILL) for it's patrons, often for free. For a long time I've ordered about one sailing related book a week through Inter-Library Loan! I keep expecting my library to say "enough's enough" but they haven't complained yet. Tyler M15 "Defiant" ----- Original Message ----- From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp@q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 2:26:56 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: budget Other Don Casey Books: Sensible Cruising I found hardback and softback copies of Don Casey's books, including hardback and softback copies of The Complete Illustrated Sailboat Maintenance Manual at my local public library. Seems a possible alternative for a limited budget. Steve M-15 # 335
If you want to own them, you can always go the the American Book Exchange, a website for used book sellers. A quick search for the illustrated Sailboat Maintenance Manual shows that you can pay fro $33 to $72 for it. http://www.abebooks.com/servlet/SearchResults?an=Don+Casey&kn=Illustrated+Sa... Thomas Howe Mailto:Thomas@ThomasHoweOnline.com O --------(\ ---------- ~ (\ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ (\ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ ~ -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of stevetrapp Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 4:27 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: budget Other Don Casey Books: Sensible Cruising I found hardback and softback copies of Don Casey's books, including hardback and softback copies of The Complete Illustrated Sailboat Maintenance Manual at my local public library. Seems a possible alternative for a limited budget. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: <casioqv@usermail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:36 PM Subject: M_Boats: Other Don Casey Books: Sensible Cruising
While we're talking about Don Casey Books (the Illustrated Sailboat Maintenance Manual), there's another of his books that I really liked:
Sensible Cruising: The Thoreau Approach : A Philosophic and Practical Approach to Cruising
This book was a revelation to me to make sailing fun on a very limited grad student budget. I had been hanging out at yacht clubs and the sailnet forums where many sailors spend hundreds of thousands to rig their boats- and I was a bit embarrassed that I had such a small boat with simple 1970s style rigging (i.e. no lines to the cockpit). Some people even told me I shouldn't own a boat until I could finance a new large boat that would be "comfortable and safe." This book made me realize that the simpler I setup my boat, the less hassle and more fun it could be.
One example I really liked was their discussion on internal vs external halyards. Rather than discussing the relative merits, Casey says (if I remember correctly) "whichever system your boat came with- that's the one for you."
Tyler M15 "Defiant"
----- Original Message ----- From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp@q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:59:50 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M_Boats :book Boat fixin'
Don't know if it is the same book as Amazon, don't know what is on Amazon, or Barness and Noble, because I prefer to shop at locally owned bookstores. Steve M-15 # 335
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On 16-Oct-13 5:26 PM, stevetrapp wrote: Hi Tyler, Bigger isn't better. Been there; done that. Our Tripp-Lentsch 29 was a wonderful sea-worthy ship for us for 26 years. We picked her up at the builder's yard in Vianen, Netherlands, and sailed her down the English Channel to Le Havre, France. Then we had to move to Munich, and took our boat along. Next we sailed across the Adriatic from Italy to Yugoslavia several times, exploring that wonderful cruising area. Back in the States, we based our TL29 in Noank, CT and sailed from Boston to New York, and everywhere in between. Bill Tripp had also designed some larger boats: the Bermuda 40 for Hinckley; the Northeast 38 for LeCompte in the Netherlands. As luck would have it, I spotted an ad from a German Yacht Club for their Northeast 38 during a business trip to Munich, contacted the Yacht Club and bought the boat. Bigger is better, isn't it? We picked up the NE38 the following June in Hamburg; sailed down the Elbe River to Brunnsbuettel and the entrance to the Kiel Canal; traversed the Kiel Canal and then sailed the Danish Islands for 5 weeks to see what kind of problems I had bought. Our intent was to sail it from Hamburg back to the USA the following year, after getting it in shape. Back home in Connecticut, after our Danish cruise, we contemplated our navels and these were our conclusions: - The bigger boat has a much smoother ride in rough seas - It had lots more space down below, but we found we really didn't need it. - On a bigger boat sheets, lines, sails, equipment are all larger, heavier; we weren't getting younger and the crew had left the house. If I dropped the main and the boom didn't land in the boom crutch, there was no way that Katrina, behind the steering wheel, could lift up that roller-reefing 18 foot long telephone pole and drop it into place. It was much too heavy. - Our conclusion: we'd rather stay with our TL-29, we could sail that with advancing age far longer than we could the bigger NE38. - We sold the NE38 and kept the TL 29. Ever increasing costs for dock space and winter storage costs meant that we were spending about $50 a day to go sailing (1992 cost numbers), but the astronomical increase in the numbers of inconsiderate powerboat drivers on the water finally led us to say enough. - The joy of sailing was no longer available ; peace and quiet was not to be found anywhere along the Connecticut coast. - That is when we decided to seek another form of sailing that gave us the old sailing fun, but cost very little. That's how we discovered trailer sailing. Initially we started with a Bolger designed MICRO, followed - because of mast stepping difficulties - by a ComPac 16 (a sailing disaster); which led to the Montgomery 15. The M15 solved all our problems. We could now go where we had peace and quiet again. Where there were no stinkpots using sailboats as slalom poles. Cost for sailing went almost, but not quite to 0. Winter storage was next to the garage; I only had to pay for launch ramps - and many were free. With a trailer-sailer you can be at the Chesapeake, Lake Champlain, Moosehead Lake in Maine, or on Lake Huron in just a few hours driving time. Try doing that with a big boat. The glossy sailing magazines keep trying to tell you that if you haven't got at least a 35 footer, and preferably a 40 or 42 footer with roller furling sails; gazillions of electronic gadgets; and all the latest go-fast equipment, that cost a minimum of $250, you are a nobody. Sorry, guys, been there; done that; and it's a bunch of hooey. Connie ex M15 #400 LEPPO ex ComPac 16 ex MICRO ex NE38 RHE ex TL-29 FUN TOO plus several more. We became firm believers in smaller is better, and would still be sailing our M15 if old age (and 2 hip joint replacements for Katrina) hadn't put a stop to our activities.
I found hardback and softback copies of Don Casey's books, including hardback and softback copies of The Complete Illustrated Sailboat Maintenance Manual at my local public library. Seems a possible alternative for a limited budget. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: <casioqv@usermail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:36 PM Subject: M_Boats: Other Don Casey Books: Sensible Cruising
While we're talking about Don Casey Books (the Illustrated Sailboat Maintenance Manual), there's another of his books that I really liked:
Sensible Cruising: The Thoreau Approach : A Philosophic and Practical Approach to Cruising
This book was a revelation to me to make sailing fun on a very limited grad student budget. I had been hanging out at yacht clubs and the sailnet forums where many sailors spend hundreds of thousands to rig their boats- and I was a bit embarrassed that I had such a small boat with simple 1970s style rigging (i.e. no lines to the cockpit). Some people even told me I shouldn't own a boat until I could finance a new large boat that would be "comfortable and safe." This book made me realize that the simpler I setup my boat, the less hassle and more fun it could be.
One example I really liked was their discussion on internal vs external halyards. Rather than discussing the relative merits, Casey says (if I remember correctly) "whichever system your boat came with- that's the one for you."
Tyler M15 "Defiant"
----- Original Message ----- From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp@q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:59:50 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M_Boats :book Boat fixin'
Don't know if it is the same book as Amazon, don't know what is on Amazon, or Barness and Noble, because I prefer to shop at locally owned bookstores. Steve M-15 # 335
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Hello Connie, You are a gifted writer. I love reading your descriptions and explanations. You make everything very clear and exciting. So glad to have had the opportunity to meet you in this forum. Many thanks, Jack M15 Sent from my iPad On Oct 17, 2013, at 11:41 AM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
On 16-Oct-13 5:26 PM, stevetrapp wrote:
Hi Tyler,
Bigger isn't better. Been there; done that.
Our Tripp-Lentsch 29 was a wonderful sea-worthy ship for us for 26 years.
We picked her up at the builder's yard in Vianen, Netherlands, and sailed her down the English Channel to Le Havre, France. Then we had to move to Munich, and took our boat along. Next we sailed across the Adriatic from Italy to Yugoslavia several times, exploring that wonderful cruising area.
Back in the States, we based our TL29 in Noank, CT and sailed from Boston to New York, and everywhere in between.
Bill Tripp had also designed some larger boats: the Bermuda 40 for Hinckley; the Northeast 38 for LeCompte in the Netherlands. As luck would have it, I spotted an ad from a German Yacht Club for their Northeast 38 during a business trip to Munich, contacted the Yacht Club and bought the boat. Bigger is better, isn't it?
We picked up the NE38 the following June in Hamburg; sailed down the Elbe River to Brunnsbuettel and the entrance to the Kiel Canal; traversed the Kiel Canal and then sailed the Danish Islands for 5 weeks to see what kind of problems I had bought.
Our intent was to sail it from Hamburg back to the USA the following year, after getting it in shape.
Back home in Connecticut, after our Danish cruise, we contemplated our navels and these were our conclusions:
- The bigger boat has a much smoother ride in rough seas
- It had lots more space down below, but we found we really didn't need it.
- On a bigger boat sheets, lines, sails, equipment are all larger, heavier; we weren't getting younger and the crew had left the house. If I dropped the main and the boom didn't land in the boom crutch, there was no way that Katrina, behind the steering wheel, could lift up that roller-reefing 18 foot long telephone pole and drop it into place. It was much too heavy.
- Our conclusion: we'd rather stay with our TL-29, we could sail that with advancing age far longer than we could the bigger NE38.
- We sold the NE38 and kept the TL 29.
Ever increasing costs for dock space and winter storage costs meant that we were spending about $50 a day to go sailing (1992 cost numbers), but the astronomical increase in the numbers of inconsiderate powerboat drivers on the water finally led us to say enough.
- The joy of sailing was no longer available ; peace and quiet was not to be found anywhere along the Connecticut coast.
- That is when we decided to seek another form of sailing that gave us the old sailing fun, but cost very little. That's how we discovered trailer sailing.
Initially we started with a Bolger designed MICRO, followed - because of mast stepping difficulties - by a ComPac 16 (a sailing disaster); which led to the Montgomery 15.
The M15 solved all our problems. We could now go where we had peace and quiet again. Where there were no stinkpots using sailboats as slalom poles. Cost for sailing went almost, but not quite to 0. Winter storage was next to the garage; I only had to pay for launch ramps - and many were free.
With a trailer-sailer you can be at the Chesapeake, Lake Champlain, Moosehead Lake in Maine, or on Lake Huron in just a few hours driving time. Try doing that with a big boat.
The glossy sailing magazines keep trying to tell you that if you haven't got at least a 35 footer, and preferably a 40 or 42 footer with roller furling sails; gazillions of electronic gadgets; and all the latest go-fast equipment, that cost a minimum of $250, you are a nobody.
Sorry, guys, been there; done that; and it's a bunch of hooey.
Connie ex M15 #400 LEPPO ex ComPac 16 ex MICRO ex NE38 RHE ex TL-29 FUN TOO plus several more.
We became firm believers in smaller is better, and would still be sailing our M15 if old age (and 2 hip joint replacements for Katrina) hadn't put a stop to our activities.
I found hardback and softback copies of Don Casey's books, including hardback and softback copies of The Complete Illustrated Sailboat Maintenance Manual at my local public library. Seems a possible alternative for a limited budget. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: <casioqv@usermail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2013 12:36 PM Subject: M_Boats: Other Don Casey Books: Sensible Cruising
While we're talking about Don Casey Books (the Illustrated Sailboat Maintenance Manual), there's another of his books that I really liked:
Sensible Cruising: The Thoreau Approach : A Philosophic and Practical Approach to Cruising
This book was a revelation to me to make sailing fun on a very limited grad student budget. I had been hanging out at yacht clubs and the sailnet forums where many sailors spend hundreds of thousands to rig their boats- and I was a bit embarrassed that I had such a small boat with simple 1970s style rigging (i.e. no lines to the cockpit). Some people even told me I shouldn't own a boat until I could finance a new large boat that would be "comfortable and safe." This book made me realize that the simpler I setup my boat, the less hassle and more fun it could be.
One example I really liked was their discussion on internal vs external halyards. Rather than discussing the relative merits, Casey says (if I remember correctly) "whichever system your boat came with- that's the one for you."
Tyler M15 "Defiant"
----- Original Message ----- From: "stevetrapp" <stevetrapp@q.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 10:59:50 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: M_Boats :book Boat fixin'
Don't know if it is the same book as Amazon, don't know what is on Amazon, or Barness and Noble, because I prefer to shop at locally owned bookstores. Steve M-15 # 335
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Is the book on Amazon called Illustrated Sailboat Maintenance Manual for $35 plus or minus the same book. Here it is on Barnes and Nobel. http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/sailboat-maintenance-manual-don-casey/111218... On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:30 AM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I wonder if the $42 book at Powell's is a used copy? I priced the book at our locally owned book store and found it $ 59. 95 + tax for a new hardback copy, but used softback copies for less. I prefer a softback copy for use on my boat because I think it will be a bit less vulnerable to water drops and other wear and tear from use, but the softback edition is no longer in print, so I am waiting and hoping for a decent used softback to show up before I commit to the cost of a new hardback. However, I agree Sailboat Maintenance Manual by Don Casey is a must have book, and I hope I can to dig out less than 3 copies of Jackson's portrait to get if. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 9:06 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boat fixin'
You can get this book at Powells for 42 bucks. An order over 50 is shipped free. Surely one can find another book for 8 bucks (many sailing oriented books available)? Go to www.powells.com t
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com wrote:
Recently ordered Don Casey's book, "Sailboat Maintenance Manual". The order sent to Practical Sailor Magazine was drop shipped to some gentleman in Washington state. Took about a month to straighten that out but now I do have the book here in Texas and it was worth the hassle. I am on the "wrong" end of a long list of things to do for my M 17 but by starting with the purchase of this tome I took the best first step. It is well written, well illustrated and after just twenty minutes of browsing through it I picked up an enormous amount of information about how to do what I have to do here. I am one of those "lets use what we have on hand" and that will NOT work on fiberglass boat repair. It looks like the procurement of the proper materials will take some time on the front end of any of the projects but all efforts expended will be in the right direction. I highly recommend this book to anybody who is starting to lavish TLC on a fiberglass boat. Don't let the price dissuade you (about $60). It will pay for itself many times over by the time you are finished with your masterpiece.
Fair winds, Tom B, M17 #258
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Maybe Amazon books has some used ones??? On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 1:30 PM, stevetrapp <stevetrapp@q.com> wrote:
I wonder if the $42 book at Powell's is a used copy? I priced the book at our locally owned book store and found it $ 59. 95 + tax for a new hardback copy, but used softback copies for less. I prefer a softback copy for use on my boat because I think it will be a bit less vulnerable to water drops and other wear and tear from use, but the softback edition is no longer in print, so I am waiting and hoping for a decent used softback to show up before I commit to the cost of a new hardback. However, I agree Sailboat Maintenance Manual by Don Casey is a must have book, and I hope I can to dig out less than 3 copies of Jackson's portrait to get if. Steve M-15 # 335
----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 9:06 AM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boat fixin'
You can get this book at Powells for 42 bucks. An order over 50 is shipped free. Surely one can find another book for 8 bucks (many sailing oriented books available)? Go to www.powells.com t
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com wrote:
Recently ordered Don Casey's book, "Sailboat Maintenance Manual". The order sent to Practical Sailor Magazine was drop shipped to some gentleman in Washington state. Took about a month to straighten that out but now I do have the book here in Texas and it was worth the hassle. I am on the "wrong" end of a long list of things to do for my M 17 but by starting with the purchase of this tome I took the best first step. It is well written, well illustrated and after just twenty minutes of browsing through it I picked up an enormous amount of information about how to do what I have to do here. I am one of those "lets use what we have on hand" and that will NOT work on fiberglass boat repair. It looks like the procurement of the proper materials will take some time on the front end of any of the projects but all efforts expended will be in the right direction. I highly recommend this book to anybody who is starting to lavish TLC on a fiberglass boat. Don't let the price dissuade you (about $60). It will pay for itself many times over by the time you are finished with your masterpiece.
Fair winds, Tom B, M17 #258
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New "first step", talk to "t" to learn about "Powell's Books". On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
You can get this book at Powells for 42 bucks. An order over 50 is shipped free. Surely one can find another book for 8 bucks (many sailing oriented books available)? Go to www.powells.com t
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com
wrote:
Recently ordered Don Casey's book, "Sailboat Maintenance Manual". The order sent to Practical Sailor Magazine was drop shipped to some gentleman in Washington state. Took about a month to straighten that out but now I do have the book here in Texas and it was worth the hassle. I am on the "wrong" end of a long list of things to do for my M 17 but by starting with the purchase of this tome I took the best first step. It is well written, well illustrated and after just twenty minutes of browsing through it I picked up an enormous amount of information about how to do what I have to do here. I am one of those "lets use what we have on hand" and that will NOT work on fiberglass boat repair. It looks like the procurement of the proper materials will take some time on the front end of any of the projects but all efforts expended will be in the right direction. I highly recommend this book to anybody who is starting to lavish TLC on a fiberglass boat. Don't let the price dissuade you (about $60). It will pay for itself many times over by the time you are finished with your masterpiece.
Fair winds, Tom B, M17 #258
Powell's Bookstore is a huge, locally owned bookstore located in Portland, Oregon. They carry an amazing selection of new and used books on most subjects from A to Z, including sailboats. Steve M-15 # 335 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 2:45 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: Boat fixin'
New "first step", talk to "t" to learn about "Powell's Books".
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 11:06 AM, Tom Smith <openboatt@gmail.com> wrote:
You can get this book at Powells for 42 bucks. An order over 50 is shipped free. Surely one can find another book for 8 bucks (many sailing oriented books available)? Go to www.powells.com t
On Tue, Oct 15, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com
wrote:
Recently ordered Don Casey's book, "Sailboat Maintenance Manual". The order sent to Practical Sailor Magazine was drop shipped to some gentleman in Washington state. Took about a month to straighten that out but now I do have the book here in Texas and it was worth the hassle. I am on the "wrong" end of a long list of things to do for my M 17 but by starting with the purchase of this tome I took the best first step. It is well written, well illustrated and after just twenty minutes of browsing through it I picked up an enormous amount of information about how to do what I have to do here. I am one of those "lets use what we have on hand" and that will NOT work on fiberglass boat repair. It looks like the procurement of the proper materials will take some time on the front end of any of the projects but all efforts expended will be in the right direction. I highly recommend this book to anybody who is starting to lavish TLC on a fiberglass boat. Don't let the price dissuade you (about $60). It will pay for itself many times over by the time you are finished with your masterpiece.
Fair winds, Tom B, M17 #258
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I'll second that book- it will indeed pay for itself many times over. Instead of buying that book for my first sailboat projects I learned the hard way and had to re-do most of my work! Tyler ----- Original Message ----- From: "Thomas Buzzi" <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2013 8:50:19 AM Subject: M_Boats: Boat fixin' Recently ordered Don Casey's book, "Sailboat Maintenance Manual". The order sent to Practical Sailor Magazine was drop shipped to some gentleman in Washington state. Took about a month to straighten that out but now I do have the book here in Texas and it was worth the hassle. I am on the "wrong" end of a long list of things to do for my M 17 but by starting with the purchase of this tome I took the best first step. It is well written, well illustrated and after just twenty minutes of browsing through it I picked up an enormous amount of information about how to do what I have to do here. I am one of those "lets use what we have on hand" and that will NOT work on fiberglass boat repair. It looks like the procurement of the proper materials will take some time on the front end of any of the projects but all efforts expended will be in the right direction. I highly recommend this book to anybody who is starting to lavish TLC on a fiberglass boat. Don't let the price dissuade you (about $60). It will pay for itself many times over by the time you are finished with your masterpiece. Fair winds, Tom B, M17 #258
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