Hi Jerry, I've owned two M15's over the years: one made by you in the late 1980's and one made by Bob Eeg a couple of years ago (which I still have). With both boats, invariably the first comments regarding the boats that I would get from strangers would be compliments of the lapstrakes. I don't think the comments were aimed at their functional aspects, just the beauty of the simulated wood siding. As to apportioning length, I think a 6' cockpit would be a good thing. Although it would allow more owners to sleep in the cockpit and permit either more, or larger, cockpit lockers, its main value, in my opinion, would be to allow more elbow room for the two or three sailors who would occupy it for sailing and, more importantly, permit the helmsman to sit further forward to better balance the boat. Adding those 7" to the cockpit would still allow a lengthening of the cabin for more room (especially sitting headroom) and storage below if the boat were 16' or 16' and a couple of inches. A mast raising system which does not rely on strength and/or balance would also be nice, as would a forward deck hatch for ventilation and an optional self-tending jib for singlehanding. Regards from a sailor who has been very pleased with your M15 design, Ron Casino, M15 #646 (Spirit) --- On Wed, 5/13/09, jerry <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
From: jerry <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> Subject: M_Boats: market research To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 12:25 PM Something more pleasant! I've been in a dialog with a builder to design a "Montgomery style" boat; probably 16', and I'd like to ask you for some opinions and comments.
Lapstrake: How do you think the average buyer, looking for a boat in this size range, would look at a lapstrake hull as opposed to a smooth hull? You and I are probably prejudiced so we don't count. People can see that a lapstrake hull is dryer (but not much, really) and they can see that it's stiffer- again, not much. A lapstrake hull is a bit heavier but weight in a hull doesn't really slow the boat down enough to matter even to me. There is a cost factor, partly because of taking longer to lay up, a little more material, and because it takes a bit better molder, but not much, and really, the deck has more man hours in it than a hull so cost is a small factor. I don;'t believe there is a performance factor of any import. Maybe I'm saying too much; and the simple question is: which would sell best to the average buyer?
I'm thinking the interior would be a roomier version of the 15, with a little more storage, and more comfortable sitting headroom. Also, the 15 cockpit is about 5.5' long, and when i'd take a 15 cruising I'd cleat the drop hatches to bridge the cockpit benches and sleep at a diagonal. This worked fine for me but would not work for most couples, especially if they fight a lot. The 17 cockpit, being over 6', was much better for sleeping in the cockpit. Here's the question : where would you like to see the extra foot of length- in the cockpit or the interior, or what combination of both?
Any other comments would be welcome. My ex-wife used to call me a know-it-all but we all know I'm not! I think these subjects would be good for the list, but if you don't like speaking to a crowd feel free to email me directly at jerry@jerrymontgomery.org.
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Please refer to the picture I have linked<http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger2/1251/4405/1600/homer_dreamcar.gif> for my Monty 16 ideas. Just put a lapstrake hull on it and we've got a deal! :) Chris M15 Persephone On Fri, May 15, 2009 at 4:33 PM, <jratesq@yahoo.com> wrote:
Hi Jerry, I've owned two M15's over the years: one made by you in the late 1980's and one made by Bob Eeg a couple of years ago (which I still have). With both boats, invariably the first comments regarding the boats that I would get from strangers would be compliments of the lapstrakes. I don't think the comments were aimed at their functional aspects, just the beauty of the simulated wood siding. As to apportioning length, I think a 6' cockpit would be a good thing. Although it would allow more owners to sleep in the cockpit and permit either more, or larger, cockpit lockers, its main value, in my opinion, would be to allow more elbow room for the two or three sailors who would occupy it for sailing and, more importantly, permit the helmsman to sit further forward to better balance the boat. Adding those 7" to the cockpit would still allow a lengthening of the cabin for more room (especially sitting headroom) and storage below if the boat were 16' or 16' and a couple of inches. A mast raising system which does not rely on strength and/or balance would also be nice, as would a forward deck hatch for ventilation and an optional self-tending jib for singlehanding. Regards from a sailor who has been very pleased with your M15 design, Ron Casino, M15 #646 (Spirit)
--- On Wed, 5/13/09, jerry <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
From: jerry <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> Subject: M_Boats: market research To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Date: Wednesday, May 13, 2009, 12:25 PM Something more pleasant! I've been in a dialog with a builder to design a "Montgomery style" boat; probably 16', and I'd like to ask you for some opinions and comments.
Lapstrake: How do you think the average buyer, looking for a boat in this size range, would look at a lapstrake hull as opposed to a smooth hull? You and I are probably prejudiced so we don't count. People can see that a lapstrake hull is dryer (but not much, really) and they can see that it's stiffer- again, not much. A lapstrake hull is a bit heavier but weight in a hull doesn't really slow the boat down enough to matter even to me. There is a cost factor, partly because of taking longer to lay up, a little more material, and because it takes a bit better molder, but not much, and really, the deck has more man hours in it than a hull so cost is a small factor. I don;'t believe there is a performance factor of any import. Maybe I'm saying too much; and the simple question is: which would sell best to the average buyer?
I'm thinking the interior would be a roomier version of the 15, with a little more storage, and more comfortable sitting headroom. Also, the 15 cockpit is about 5.5' long, and when i'd take a 15 cruising I'd cleat the drop hatches to bridge the cockpit benches and sleep at a diagonal. This worked fine for me but would not work for most couples, especially if they fight a lot. The 17 cockpit, being over 6', was much better for sleeping in the cockpit. Here's the question : where would you like to see the extra foot of length- in the cockpit or the interior, or what combination of both?
Any other comments would be welcome. My ex-wife used to call me a know-it-all but we all know I'm not! I think these subjects would be good for the list, but if you don't like speaking to a crowd feel free to email me directly at jerry@jerrymontgomery.org.
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