Bent Mast: That all depends on how bad the bend is.............. If it is a very slight bend, then I think you have a reasonably good chance of straightening it out If on the other hand, the mast is bent enough so that it makes a crease in the mast, then it's time for a new mast. I have had my original mast that had a small bend due to snow load during winter (I used it as a ridge pole for the winter boat cover, and the span between the mast support on the cabin top and the aft support at the transom was too large. The weight of the wet snow on the winter covered caused a slight bend that I could remove.) Last year, however, a friend driving my car as we hauled the boat out of the local lake wanted to be helpful, and take me around the corner to a better parking area where I could lower the mast. Unfortunately, a big ancient oak limb crossing the road had an argument with my mast, and the oak tree limb won. In this case my mast was bent at a 90 degree angle, and at the bend, had a crease like you can put in a beer can. There was no way to save it this time, so I now have a new mast, from Dwyer Masts in North Branford, CT, which I have just finished rigging. So, a slight gentle bend can be corrected, but anything with a crease is now excellent raw material for a new letter box post. Connie M15 #400 LEPPO Glastonbury, CT
The Montgomery 17' gets an honorable mention from Ted Brewer in the latest issue of "Good Old Boat". The segment is on page 47 from a comparison of trailersailers that follows an article on the Victoria 18'. Brewer compares the Victoria 18', the Cape Dory Typhoon and the Com-Pac 16CB. Ted writes, "It's obvious that the performance champion of the group is the Montgomery 17' with her long waterline, generous sail area, and modest ballast adding to the form stability of her beamy keel/centerboard hull." The segment has mistakes: It lists the M17's displacement at 1,500 lb. and its ballast at 500 lb. Well, basically, the M17 stats in the chart on page 47 vary several times from those on Nor'Sea's website. Also, the drawing of the "M17" used by "Good Old Boat" is actually the M23. Anyway, Brewer says none of the boats compared should venture out of sight of land and I know some would disagree with that, also. I recently re-read the M17 review in "Small Craft Advisor" and it repeats the Nor'Sea website claim that the M17 has sailed from California to Hawaii: But we established recently that this is a myth, didn't we? Was it Jerry M. who "sailed from Cape Hatteras to San Diego via the Panama Canal"? If not, then who?
The M17 from California to Hawaii? In a boat that size? How ridiculous! It was the M15. See article at http://msog.org/yarns/hawaii15.cfm Got back pictures from the Bermuda trip, but nothing worth posting. It's difficult to take pictures that tell the story from onboard, just not enough perspective. Doug At 09:16 PM 7/9/03 -0400, you wrote:
I recently re-read the M17 review in "Small Craft Advisor" and it repeats the Nor'Sea website claim that the M17 has sailed from California to Hawaii: But we established recently that this is a myth, didn't we?
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Can someone tell me the PHRF rating for the M-15? I searched the archives and found suggested numbers for the M-23 and M-17 but none for the M-15. Any help is appreciated! Thank you, Randy Graves M-15 #407
Here is a way to calculate PHRF if no rating is available.
From the Portsmouth Tables the following conversion is given:
Portsmouth = PHRF/6 +55 This converts to: PHRF = (Portsmouth - 55) X 6 Monty 15 is 108.1 Portsmouth and this converts to 318.6 PHRF. Ken Abrahams Monty 15, Petite Fleur Lake Charles, La ----- Original Message ----- From: Randy Graves To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 1:26 PM Subject: M_Boats: PHRF Rating for M15? Can someone tell me the PHRF rating for the M-15? I searched the archives and found suggested numbers for the M-23 and M-17 but none for the M-15. Any help is appreciated! Thank you, Randy Graves M-15 #407 ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Friends, We've owned our M-15 for about 8 years. Up until recently we have only sailed her occasionally. This summer we have had the opportunity to sail much more often and our abilities and knowledge have improved greatly! Thanks everyone for all the really great information. I consider myself a beginner sailers and as such am trying to learn the abilities of our M-15. In our part of the country wind speed vary greatly from day to day. These past couple of weeks have seen several days of steady 15 mph winds with gusts to 25 mph and beyond, several gusts recorded at up to 35 mph. How do you'all sail in these kind of conditions? Reefing and sailing with main sale alone has helped us manage winds up to around 20 mph. But how do you handle winds in the 20+ range? 30+ range? Is there a point at which you call it a day and head for shelter? The other day I motored out into 15 mph with gust to 25 mph and found that the gusts would heal and push our M-15 over considerably under bare poles. I am all-ears for advise! Thank you, Randy Graves M-15 #407
I believe it was Jerry's foreman who sailed "Freebird" a reduced cockpit volume M17> Dick Honshells wrote:
The Montgomery 17' gets an honorable mention from Ted Brewer in the latest issue of "Good Old Boat". The segment is on page 47 from a comparison of trailersailers that follows an article on the Victoria 18'. Brewer compares the Victoria 18', the Cape Dory Typhoon and the Com-Pac 16CB. Ted writes, "It's obvious that the performance champion of the group is the Montgomery 17' with her long waterline, generous sail area, and modest ballast adding to the form stability of her beamy keel/centerboard hull." The segment has mistakes: It lists the M17's displacement at 1,500 lb. and its ballast at 500 lb. Well, basically, the M17 stats in the chart on page 47 vary several times from those on Nor'Sea's website. Also, the drawing of the "M17" used by "Good Old Boat" is actually the M23. Anyway, Brewer says none of the boats compared should venture out of sight of land and I know some would disagree with that, also.
I recently re-read the M17 review in "Small Craft Advisor" and it repeats the Nor'Sea website claim that the M17 has sailed from California to Hawaii: But we established recently that this is a myth, didn't we?
Was it Jerry M. who "sailed from Cape Hatteras to San Diego via the Panama Canal"? If not, then who?
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I am wondering if you can advise? I have a M15 that got a bent mast while transporting...What can be done? Waht have others done? Do you have any experience in this? -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Richard Lane Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 1:11 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Good Old Boat I believe it was Jerry's foreman who sailed "Freebird" a reduced cockpit volume M17> Dick Honshells wrote:
The Montgomery 17' gets an honorable mention from Ted Brewer in the latest issue of "Good Old Boat". The segment is on page 47 from a comparison of trailersailers that follows an article on the Victoria 18'. Brewer compares the Victoria 18', the Cape Dory Typhoon and the Com-Pac 16CB. Ted writes, "It's obvious that the performance champion of the group is the Montgomery 17' with her long waterline, generous sail area, and modest ballast adding to the form stability of her beamy keel/centerboard hull." The segment has mistakes: It lists the M17's displacement at 1,500 lb. and its ballast at 500 lb. Well, basically, the M17 stats in the chart on page 47 vary several times from those on Nor'Sea's website. Also, the drawing of the "M17" used by "Good Old Boat" is actually the M23. Anyway, Brewer says none of the boats compared should venture out of sight of land and I know some would disagree with that, also.
I recently re-read the M17 review in "Small Craft Advisor" and it repeats the Nor'Sea website claim that the M17 has sailed from California to Hawaii: But we established recently that this is a myth, didn't we?
Was it Jerry M. who "sailed from Cape Hatteras to San Diego via the Panama Canal"? If not, then who?
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Shadd: I am the former owner of an M17. Fantastic boat. Best one I've ever owned. My wife and I sold it to Tom Howe, on this list, so that we could partner up with another couple who had a larger sailboat on a slip at a local lake. I have had some success with straightening a mast with a bend in it. We stored our M17 on its trailer under a tarp that was draped over the mast. The mast was suspended on the bow pulpit and the mast crutch at the stern. This set up offered good protection, however one winter morning I discovered that there was 8" of snow weighing down the tarp and mast. I brushed off the snow and did not give it any further thought. The following spring, after a couple of sails, I realized that the mast had a 1.5 to 2 inch bend to port. There was no evidence of any creasing. I lived with it for a couple of months as I tried to figure out what to do. I decided that I would wait for a hot day and then lay it on my driveway to warm it up real good. With the air temp at 95 and the concrete considerably warmer the mast became hot to the touch. I arranged my two cars, one in front of the other, with the top of the mast blocked up under one frame and the bottom of mast blocked up under the other frame. I used some old carpet to protect the finish of the mast and cars. At the mid-point of the mast I held up a 1x4" piece of solid oak that was about 18" long while I gently pumped up a hydraulic jack to secure the oak in place. I raised the mast until it was level. Next I tightly tied a string between the cars at the height of the now level mast. My plan was to jack up the mast until I could induce enought pressure to reverse the bend caused by the snow. I was pretty concerned that I was about to ruin the mast, but I decided that it was unacceptable to have such a severe bend, and that if I ruined it I would replace it with a new one. I jacked up the mast two inches above the reference string and came back 30 minutes later. I released the jack and the mast sagged below the string, but not as far as it did prior to the pressure. I jacked up the mast three inches and came back in 30 minutes.... I repeated this process until I had jacked up the mast eight inches. This last amount was the most nerve racking, but I was finally successful in reversing the bend. The mast performed flawlessly after this repair. If your mast has a crease in it rather than a bend you must replace it for safety reasons. Best of luck, Mike ----- Original Message ----- From: "Shadd Piehl" <spiehl@aakers.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 9:32 AM Subject: RE: M_Boats: Good Old Boat
I am wondering if you can advise? I have a M15 that got a bent mast while transporting...What can be done? Waht have others done? Do you have any experience in this?
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Richard Lane Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 1:11 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: Good Old Boat
I believe it was Jerry's foreman who sailed "Freebird" a reduced cockpit volume M17> Dick
Honshells wrote:
The Montgomery 17' gets an honorable mention from Ted Brewer in the latest issue of "Good Old Boat". The segment is on page 47 from a comparison of trailersailers that follows an article on the Victoria 18'. Brewer compares the Victoria 18', the Cape Dory Typhoon and the Com-Pac 16CB. Ted writes, "It's obvious that the performance champion of the group is the Montgomery 17' with her long waterline, generous sail area, and modest ballast adding to the form stability of her beamy keel/centerboard hull." The segment has mistakes: It lists the M17's displacement at 1,500 lb. and its ballast at 500 lb. Well, basically, the M17 stats in the chart on page 47 vary several times from those on Nor'Sea's website. Also, the drawing of the "M17" used by "Good Old Boat" is actually the M23. Anyway, Brewer says none of the boats compared should venture out of sight of land and I know some would disagree with that, also.
I recently re-read the M17 review in "Small Craft Advisor" and it repeats the Nor'Sea website claim that the M17 has sailed from California to Hawaii: But we established recently that this is a myth, didn't we?
Was it Jerry M. who "sailed from Cape Hatteras to San Diego via the Panama Canal"? If not, then who?
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I'm guessing this journey is documented in the old Monty Newsletter. If not, I'd like to know more . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lane" <rqlhgl@ieee.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 2:10 AM Subject: Good Old Boat I believe it was Jerry's foreman who sailed "Freebird" a reduced cockpit volume M17 Dick Honshells wrote: The Montgomery 17' gets an honorable mention from Ted Brewer in the latest issue of "Good Old Boat". The segment is on page 47 from a comparison of trailersailers that follows an article on the Victoria 18'. Brewer compares the Victoria 18', the Cape Dory Typhoon and the Com-Pac 16CB. Ted writes, "It's obvious that the performance champion of the group is the Montgomery 17' with her long waterline, generous sail area, and modest ballast adding to the form stability of her beamy keel/centerboard hull." The segment has mistakes: It lists the M17's displacement at 1,500 lb. and its ballast at 500 lb. Well, basically, the M17 stats in the chart on page 47 vary several times from those on Nor'Sea's website. Also, the drawing of the "M17" used by "Good Old Boat" is actually the M23. Anyway, Brewer says none of the boats compared should venture out of sight of land and I know some would disagree with that, also. I recently re-read the M17 review in "Small Craft Advisor" and it repeats the Nor'Sea website claim that the M17 has sailed from California to Hawaii: But we established recently that this is a myth, didn't we? Was it Jerry M. who "sailed from Cape Hatteras to San Diego via the Panama Canal"? If not, then who?
The preparations and some of the voyage was documented in the S.California Santana monthly around 1984. Dick Honshells wrote:
I'm guessing this journey is documented in the old Monty Newsletter. If not, I'd like to know more . . .
----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lane" <rqlhgl@ieee.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 2:10 AM Subject: Good Old Boat
I believe it was Jerry's foreman who sailed "Freebird" a reduced cockpit volume M17
Dick
Honshells wrote:
The Montgomery 17' gets an honorable mention from Ted Brewer in the latest issue of "Good Old Boat". The segment is on page 47 from a comparison of trailersailers that follows an article on the Victoria 18'. Brewer compares the Victoria 18', the Cape Dory Typhoon and the Com-Pac 16CB. Ted writes, "It's obvious that the performance champion of the group is the Montgomery 17' with her long waterline, generous sail area, and modest ballast adding to the form stability of her beamy keel/centerboard hull." The segment has mistakes: It lists the M17's displacement at 1,500 lb. and its ballast at 500 lb. Well, basically, the M17 stats in the chart on page 47 vary several times from those on Nor'Sea's website. Also, the drawing of the "M17" used by "Good Old Boat" is actually the M23. Anyway, Brewer says none of the boats compared should venture out of sight of land and I know some would disagree with that, also.
I recently re-read the M17 review in "Small Craft Advisor" and it repeats the Nor'Sea website claim that the M17 has sailed from California to Hawaii: But we established recently that this is a myth, didn't we?
Was it Jerry M. who "sailed from Cape Hatteras to San Diego via the Panama Canal"? If not, then who?
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Thanks, Dick. I'll see what I can track down. --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lane" <rqlhgl@ieee.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, July 11, 2003 12:36 AM Subject: Freebird The preparations and some of the voyage was documented in the S.California Santana monthly around 1984. Dick Honshells wrote: I'm guessing this journey is documented in the old Monty Newsletter. If not, I'd like to know more . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "Richard Lane" <rqlhgl@ieee.org> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 10, 2003 2:10 AM Subject: Good Old Boat I believe it was Jerry's foreman who sailed "Freebird" a reduced cockpit volume M17 Dick Honshells wrote: The Montgomery 17' gets an honorable mention from Ted Brewer in the latest issue of "Good Old Boat". The segment is on page 47 from a comparison of trailersailers that follows an article on the Victoria 18'. Brewer compares the Victoria 18', the Cape Dory Typhoon and the Com-Pac 16CB. Ted writes, "It's obvious that the performance champion of the group is the Montgomery 17' with her long waterline, generous sail area, and modest ballast adding to the form stability of her beamy keel/centerboard hull." The segment has mistakes: It lists the M17's displacement at 1,500 lb. and its ballast at 500 lb. Well, basically, the M17 stats in the chart on page 47 vary several times from those on Nor'Sea's website. Also, the drawing of the "M17" used by "Good Old Boat" is actually the M23. Anyway, Brewer says none of the boats compared should venture out of sight of land and I know some would disagree with that, also. I recently re-read the M17 review in "Small Craft Advisor" and it repeats the Nor'Sea website claim that the M17 has sailed from California to Hawaii: But we established recently that this is a myth, didn't we? Was it Jerry M. who "sailed from Cape Hatteras to San Diego via the Panama Canal"? If not, then who?
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