HI Bob, My, a M17 with tanbark and round ports does sound salty. I would love a pic as well. Please send it to bownez@sprynet.com. Hope all is well with you and Jerry. Michael "Bones" Bowden Mpls ________________________________________________________________ The best thing to hit the Internet in years - Juno SpeedBand! Surf the Web up to FIVE TIMES FASTER! Only $14.95/ month - visit www.juno.com to sign up today!