To help ease the decision process, you have to answer a number of questions: Just as starters, and I'm sure others can add a lot more, ............ Where do you sail, or intend to sail (and Tahiti is not a valid answer): Lakes, coasts, - close to home or far away (trailerability). How many people on board? One, two, three, four, - ages and sizes: If you say 2,600 then you need the new QM2 - forget about the M boats - that's a whole different ball game. Day sailing, short term cruising (an occasional overnight), or longer term cruising (days or weeks)? What is the level of your sailing experience? .....and your age (as you get older you don't want bigger........)? Do you want to buy a new towing vehicle to match the larger boat? Answers to these questions begin to narrow the field of choices. The better you can answer these questions, the better your choice of vessel will be to match your requirements. Connie
The banter was great, I appreciate all the feedback on both size and boat comparisons. Most of you trailer sail. I actually have a mooring for mine. My last boat had a fixed keel so in the 3 years that I had her she was only out of the water once, and that was to do a bottom job just as I got her. Has anyone had problems come up due to prolong times in the salt water?
My 1978, M-17 sat in the ocean for a couple of years before I got her. She may have been moored forever,I don't know. The hull is perfect, rudder rod was eaten away to the water line, and growth on the centerboard kept it from moving. The only area of serious damage was on the centerboard where it pivots. After the exposed board was cleaned, it showed a few pits but nothing that was serious. The area around the pivot hole, which is always up in the trunk was badly rusted. With yearly maintenance, I feel an M-17 of my boat's vintage would survive well as a full timer. Bill M-17 #279 Endelig On Thursday, January 29, 2004, at 06:11 AM, GILBERT wrote:
The banter was great, I appreciate all the feedback on both size and boat comparisons. Most of you trailer sail. I actually have a mooring for mine. My last boat had a fixed keel so in the 3 years that I had her she was only out of the water once, and that was to do a bottom job just as I got her. Has anyone had problems come up due to prolong times in the salt water?
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The rudder rod was almost corroded thru on my 23 when I got her. I had an Aquametal replacement made with a 2" extended thread on which I attached a cone zinc. No problems for 10+ yrs. Dick Bill Sylvester wrote:
My 1978, M-17 sat in the ocean for a couple of years before I got her. She may have been moored forever,I don't know. The hull is perfect, rudder rod was eaten away to the water line, and growth on the centerboard kept it from moving. The only area of serious damage was on the centerboard where it pivots. After the exposed board was cleaned, it showed a few pits but nothing that was serious. The area around the pivot hole, which is always up in the trunk was badly rusted. With yearly maintenance, I feel an M-17 of my boat's vintage would survive well as a full timer.
Bill M-17 #279 Endelig On Thursday, January 29, 2004, at 06:11 AM, GILBERT wrote:
The banter was great, I appreciate all the feedback on both size and boat comparisons. Most of you trailer sail. I actually have a mooring for mine. My last boat had a fixed keel so in the 3 years that I had her she was only out of the water once, and that was to do a bottom job just as I got her. Has anyone had problems come up due to prolong times in the salt water?
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Connie: Well said. --Gary On Wednesday, January 28, 2004, at 08:12 AM, chbenneck@juno.com wrote:
To help ease the decision process, you have to answer a number of questions:
Just as starters, and I'm sure others can add a lot more, ............
Where do you sail, or intend to sail (and Tahiti is not a valid answer): Lakes, coasts, - close to home or far away (trailerability).
How many people on board? One, two, three, four, - ages and sizes: If you say 2,600 then you need the new QM2 - forget about the M boats - that's a whole different ball game.
Day sailing, short term cruising (an occasional overnight), or longer term cruising (days or weeks)?
What is the level of your sailing experience? .....and your age (as you get older you don't want bigger........)?
Do you want to buy a new towing vehicle to match the larger boat?
Answers to these questions begin to narrow the field of choices.
The better you can answer these questions, the better your choice of vessel will be to match your requirements.
Connie
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Gilbert, Actually, having subscribed to this list for years, I get the impression that more M-Listers keep their boats in slips or on moorings than keep them on their trailers. You heard from a lot of trailer people because your original question about the Cape Dory Typhoon versus the M17 said something to the effect of, "I'm interested in trailerability because I want the versatility to leave the neighborhood and explore . . ." If trailerability is factored in, it's a key point of comparison between the CD Ty and the Montys . . . --Craig
such are the dreams of exploration and adventure ----- Original Message ----- From: "Honshells" <chonshell@ia4u.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 6:31 PM Subject: M_Boats: wet montys
Gilbert,
Actually, having subscribed to this list for years, I get the impression
that more M-Listers keep their boats
in slips or on moorings than keep them on their trailers.
You heard from a lot of trailer people because your original question about the Cape Dory Typhoon versus the M17 said something to the effect of, "I'm interested in trailerability because I want the versatility to leave the neighborhood and explore . . ." If trailerability is factored in, it's a key point of comparison between the CD Ty and the Montys . . .
--Craig
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Ditto, Gilbert! :-) Others can have their blue-water, I want to see the inland lakes and coastal niches that trailer-sailors are designed to explore. I'm a landlubber who loves to see the land from water. -) --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "gilbert landin" <gilbert@mindgame.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 10:33 PM Subject: wet montys such are the dreams of exploration and adventure ----- Original Message ----- From: "Honshells" <chonshell@ia4u.net> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 6:31 PM Subject: wet montys Gilbert, Actually, having subscribed to this list for years, I get the impression that more M-Listers keep their boats in slips or on moorings than keep them on their trailers. You heard from a lot of trailer people because your original question about the Cape Dory Typhoon versus the M17 said something to the effect of, "I'm interested in trailerability because I want the versatility to leave the neighborhood and explore . . ." If trailerability is factored in, it's a key point of comparison between the CD Ty and the Montys . . . --Craig
Gilbert, There is further discussion on 15 vs. 17 at the MSOG page.... Tod www.bright.net/~htmills BuscaBrisas, M17 #408 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of chbenneck@juno.com Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 11:13 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: how about 15 vs. 17 To help ease the decision process, you have to answer a number of questions: Just as starters, and I'm sure others can add a lot more, ............ Where do you sail, or intend to sail (and Tahiti is not a valid answer): Lakes, coasts, - close to home or far away (trailerability). How many people on board? One, two, three, four, - ages and sizes: If you say 2,600 then you need the new QM2 - forget about the M boats - that's a whole different ball game. Day sailing, short term cruising (an occasional overnight), or longer term cruising (days or weeks)? What is the level of your sailing experience? .....and your age (as you get older you don't want bigger........)? Do you want to buy a new towing vehicle to match the larger boat? Answers to these questions begin to narrow the field of choices. The better you can answer these questions, the better your choice of vessel will be to match your requirements. Connie _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Thanks Tod, BTW couple of nice pics on your web site ----- Original Message ----- From: <htmills@bright.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, January 29, 2004 7:07 PM Subject: RE: M_Boats: how about 15 vs. 17 Gilbert, There is further discussion on 15 vs. 17 at the MSOG page.... Tod www.bright.net/~htmills BuscaBrisas, M17 #408 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+htmills=bright.net@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of chbenneck@juno.com Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 11:13 AM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Re: M_Boats: how about 15 vs. 17 To help ease the decision process, you have to answer a number of questions: Just as starters, and I'm sure others can add a lot more, ............ Where do you sail, or intend to sail (and Tahiti is not a valid answer): Lakes, coasts, - close to home or far away (trailerability). How many people on board? One, two, three, four, - ages and sizes: If you say 2,600 then you need the new QM2 - forget about the M boats - that's a whole different ball game. Day sailing, short term cruising (an occasional overnight), or longer term cruising (days or weeks)? What is the level of your sailing experience? .....and your age (as you get older you don't want bigger........)? Do you want to buy a new towing vehicle to match the larger boat? Answers to these questions begin to narrow the field of choices. The better you can answer these questions, the better your choice of vessel will be to match your requirements. Connie _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
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Bill Sylvester -
chbenneck＠juno.com -
Gary M. Hyde -
GILBERT -
gilbert landin
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Honshells -
htmills＠bright.net -
Richard Lane