More newbie questions...Cruising storage solutions?
Just 2 adults using an M17. Lots of different totes and open baskets out there to slide under the cockpit or down the quarter berth. (wow, that starboard one goes waaay back!). We looked at some perforated plastic baskets tonight that would push on down either quarter berth. For the starboard side would have to link them together to retrieve the back 2 easily. These same also work under the cockpit as well. We thought that having lids might be a hassle removing them in the relatively confined space of the seating area. We used dry bags on our previous open boat. Often were diving deep into them to come up with the desired item, or emptying the bag completely. What have you found works well for you? Rigid totes or flexible bags? With the an outboard motor mounted on port side, and the deep cockpit locker there as well, do you find you are weighted more to port side? We have a knock off claw with 10 feet of chain. I feel that an anchor should be readily available at all times, so the deep port locker in a bucket is a logical place, except for the weight distribution issue. I believe the previous owner kept it in a bag below the cockpit, on starboard side. Only accessible by going below to get it out. Where do you store your primary anchor and rode? Thanks for any insights on these questions. Bill Wickett M17 #622...still not named!!
Bill, You can find info about my storage aboard Busca at my web page http://www.htmills.com/PLa-packinglists.html It includes an excel spreadsheet packing list. I keep Busca's primary anchor, an 11# Bruce w/ 17' of chain, in a milk crate under the cockpit on the stbd side. Yes, there is a slight list to port because of the outboard and battery, so I try to minimize it where I can. When I replaced the cushions, I made the stbd q-berth cushion only as long as the seating area and tapered the aft end to make more room for stowage. http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-BuscaCabinFwd.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-BuscaCabinPort.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-BuscaCabinStbd.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-BuscaGalley.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-BuscaOverhead.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-BuscaQBerth.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-BuscaQBerthStowage.jpg http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-BuscaShelf.jpg Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas
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Just 2 adults using an M17.
Lots of different totes and open baskets out there to slide under the cockpit or down the quarter berth. (wow, that starboard one goes waaay back!). We looked at some perforated plastic baskets tonight that would push on down either quarter berth. For the starboard side would have to link them together to retrieve the back 2 easily. These same also work under the cockpit as well. We thought that having lids might be a hassle removing them in the relatively confined space of the seating area. We used dry bags on our previous open boat. Often were diving deep into them to come up with the desired item, or emptying the bag completely.
What have you found works well for you? Rigid totes or flexible bags?
With the an outboard motor mounted on port side, and the deep cockpit locker there as well, do you find you are weighted more to port side? We have a knock off claw with 10 feet of chain. I feel that an anchor should be readily available at all times, so the deep port locker in a bucket is a logical place, except for the weight distribution issue. I believe the previous owner kept it in a bag below the cockpit, on starboard side. Only accessible by going below to get it out.
Where do you store your primary anchor and rode?
Thanks for any insights on these questions.
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htmills@zoominternet.net wrote:
Bill,
You can find info about my storage aboard Busca at my web page
http://www.htmills.com/PLa-packinglists.html
It includes an excel spreadsheet packing list.
I keep Busca's primary anchor, an 11# Bruce w/ 17' of chain, in a milk crate under the cockpit on the stbd side.
Yes, there is a slight list to port because of the outboard and battery, so I try to minimize it where I can.
When I replaced the cushions, I made the stbd q-berth cushion only as long as the seating area and tapered the aft end to make more room for stowage.
http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-BuscaCabinFwd.jpg
http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-BuscaCabinPort.jpg
http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-BuscaCabinStbd.jpg
http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-BuscaGalley.jpg
http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-BuscaOverhead.jpg
http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-BuscaQBerth.jpg
http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-BuscaQBerthStowage.jpg
http://www.htmills.com/images/LF-BuscaShelf.jpg
Tod Mills M17 #408, 1987 galley model BuscaBrisas
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Just 2 adults using an M17.
Lots of different totes and open baskets out there to slide under the cockpit or down the quarter berth. (wow, that starboard one goes waaay back!). We looked at some perforated plastic baskets tonight that would push on down either quarter berth. For the starboard side would have to link them together to retrieve the back 2 easily. These same also work under the cockpit as well. We thought that having lids might be a hassle removing them in the relatively confined space of the seating area. We used dry bags on our previous open boat. Often were diving deep into them to come up with the desired item, or emptying the bag completely.
What have you found works well for you? Rigid totes or flexible bags?
With the an outboard motor mounted on port side, and the deep cockpit locker there as well, do you find you are weighted more to port side? We have a knock off claw with 10 feet of chain. I feel that an anchor should be readily available at all times, so the deep port locker in a bucket is a logical place, except for the weight distribution issue. I believe the previous owner kept it in a bag below the cockpit, on starboard side. Only accessible by going below to get it out.
Where do you store your primary anchor and rode?
Thanks for any insights on these questions.
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Hi Tod, Now that is beautifully written and illustrated. May I add my minute comments regarding tool boxes. Your on-board boat tool box needs every tool that you need to maintain the boat - and nothing more, but it has to be absolutely complete. You don't want to be 20 NM at sea and suddenly discover you forgot the proper size Philips screwdriver; or tiny screwdrivers for taking the back off of the GPS unit...., or can't check the battery voltage. Review every item on the boat, and the tools needed to take it apart and rebuild it. Don't forget some small files for rounding off the rough ends of bolts / pliers / a voltmeter. The tools have to cover everything on the boat itself, plus tools for the outboard, /and if it is HONDA/ or other foreign make, it_* ** requires metric wrenches*_. I also carried spare parts for the outboard (mainly the spark plug and spark plug wrench); cotter pins or rings for the rigging; spare clevis pins, in case one decides to go swimming and leave me in the lurch.... The tools also have to cover anything you may want to do inside the boat; i.e., proper sized regular and Philips screwdrivers; and a small set of open ended wrenches that cover every bolt or nut on the boat itself and also every bit of rigging. You also need a tool box (which I used to carry separately) that covered only the tools needed to maintain the trailer on the road: tire pressure gauge, lug wrench; sockets for the lugs; sockets and a 3/8" ratchet with the necessary sockets, wrenches, and screwdrivers to be able to rebuild the whole trailer, - if necessary- or to find out why the trailer lights aren't working. That also means carrying a jack for the trailer in case you have a flat and have to change a trailer wheel at the side of the highway. I also carried a spare set of wheel bearings plus the necessary assembly tools, in case that ever had to be done while en route. (luckily I never needed to do that) My on-board tool box for the M15 was quite small; since all the tools needed to maintain an M15, and the 2 HP HONDA were small too. You should also have a small ditty bag with sail needles stuck in a large cork, a small block of bees wax, whipping twine; so that you can whip the ends of your mooring lines or sheets and halyards in proper fashion; plus some bungee cord (a mighty useful item on board). Happy sailing, Connie
My 2 cents is use a bag rather than a hard box for tools. Outfits like Home Depot and Lowe's sell them pretty cheap. They are easy to stow and don't slide around like hard sided boxes. I keep a couple of those little plastic boxes with little compartments for stuff like cotter keys and rings and clevis pins and stuff. t
I was lucky enough to find a couple of Tupperware rectangular boxes that were a little smaller than a shoe box. They fit perfectly in either the starboard or port side cabin locker under the quarter berths. These boxes are water tight and after 7 years on a boat I have 0 rust on any of the tools. This past spring I took all the tools out and spread them out and sprayed them with WD-40, wiped them down and put them back in the box. I reduced the number of tools I needed going from a NS 27 to my current M17. I tried to do the same thing that Connie recommended. I went all over the boat fitting the right tool for evey fastener I could find. It was a nice way to go through a six-pack. I used another Tupperware box to put all my FirstAid stuff in. No more soggy bandaids. That's my 2 cents. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom Smith" <openboatt@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Sunday, August 02, 2009 4:27 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: More newbie questions...Cruising storage solutions?
My 2 cents is use a bag rather than a hard box for tools. Outfits like Home Depot and Lowe's sell them pretty cheap. They are easy to stow and don't slide around like hard sided boxes. I keep a couple of those little plastic boxes with little compartments for stuff like cotter keys and rings and clevis pins and stuff. t
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I think we have the same boxes for under the q-berths Joe. We also keep the WM companionway and hatch bugscreens in boxes in there and some other soft items to conform to the space as it wedges up the side of the hull. I still have my former hard plastic toolbox for most tools. It has a great gasket seal on it and has been great on 3 boats now. It slids under the cockpit below the companionway. One thing I did learn from the seller of the M-17 is to use a soft sided tool bag for rigging and take down tools. It is easy to take along the deck and contains the ball bungees, velcro straps and zip ties for containing the standing rigging. Also the mast tie down straps for forward winchpost and rudder crutches. I keep a socket and a small adjustable sized for the mast step bolt, and another small adjustable already closed up to fit the flat above the forestay turnbuckle. The end of the other adj. wrench put through the turn buckle tightens or loosens as required. A pair of side cutters to snip zip ties when setting up. The previous owner used 18" lengths of foam pipe insulation over each set of side shroud turn buckles, held on with zip ties. Keeps the turnbuckles from rattling against the side of the cabin. Also zipped up the safety chain at the bow to keep the chain from rattling and scratching the stem. I just work from bow to stern on the deck of the boat, grabbing what I need from the soft bag beside me, and thinking about what I am doing so I don't have to retrace my steps (too many times!!). The time to rig or take down and pack up is getting shorter now after 3 weekends of it. So I guess I can still learn okay. We had a great 2 days sailing on Sat and Sun on west end of Lake Ontario. The weather buoy showed Sun with 15knots of sustained with max gust up to 19knots. It was fun. The M17 feels so good and stable and stiff. Going to windward was great. There was a bit of a fetch, so at the end of the day, we were bucking up and down when head to wind lowering the sails. The prop was coming out on every 2nd or third wave. We have hank on headsails so Julie was having a good time up there. Next job is to rig a jib downhaul coming aft. Bill Wickett M17 #622 On Sun, Aug 2, 2009 at 9:12 PM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
I was lucky enough to find a couple of Tupperware rectangular boxes that were a little smaller than a shoe box. They fit perfectly in either the starboard or port side cabin locker under the quarter berths. These boxes are water tight and after 7 years on a boat I have 0 rust on any of the tools. This past spring I took all the tools out and spread them out and sprayed them with WD-40, wiped them down and put them back in the box. I reduced the number of tools I needed going from a NS 27 to my current M17. I tried to do the same thing that Connie recommended. I went all over the boat fitting the right tool for evey fastener I could find. It was a nice way to go through a six-pack. I used another Tupperware box to put all my FirstAid stuff in. No more soggy bandaids. That's my 2 cents. Joe
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My 2 cents is use a bag rather than a hard box for tools. Outfits
like Home Depot and Lowe's sell them pretty cheap. They are easy to stow and don't slide around like hard sided boxes. I keep a couple of those little plastic boxes with little compartments for stuff like cotter keys and rings and clevis pins and stuff. t
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SWEET PEA, my M17, had the motor mount moved from port to starboard side. her last owner told me that the owner before him was told by her first owner (everyone follow that) the mount was moved to balance the boat: motor weight v. that filling the starboard deep locker (and in SWEET PEA's case the galley). IMO this is overkill. fill the boat with items for a cruise and add the crew the entire idea of balance goes out the window as the weight of the motor v. anchor is less than where all the other gear is stowed. OK, maybe if you are a racer the balance idea is 'worth it'. IMO you have 'rail meat' to balance the boat. now, sitting 'mostly empty' SWEET PEA stays on her lines. thing is, so are other M17s with the motor on the port side. i use rigid totes for most storage. these slide down the starboard 1/4-berth and under the cockpit floor. very small totes are used in the galley space and under the 1/4 berth. thus far i've used only soft duffel type bags for storage under the forward part of the v-berth. for longer cruises i put 2 5-gallon rigid coleman water jugs under the cockpit floor. i carry two anchors - a danforth and a 'claw' knock-offs. both have their own 20' of chain and 200' of rode. i believe both are 9# anchors. in puget sound the length of rode is important ... my trip at the beginning of this week there were 12' tides. both anchors reside in the port side deep locker. with all my stuff stored for a cruise SWEET PEA sits level. if she is leaning for any reason but wind it is because of the moving human 'rail meat'. ;-) dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA visit SWEET PEA's www-site: http://www.m17-375.webs.com --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote: Just 2 adults using an M17. Lots of different totes and open baskets out there to slide under the cockpit or down the quarter berth. (wow, that starboard one goes waaay back!). We looked at some perforated plastic baskets tonight that would push on down either quarter berth. For the starboard side would have to link them together to retrieve the back 2 easily. These same also work under the cockpit as well. We thought that having lids might be a hassle removing them in the relatively confined space of the seating area. We used dry bags on our previous open boat. Often were diving deep into them to come up with the desired item, or emptying the bag completely. What have you found works well for you? Rigid totes or flexible bags? With the an outboard motor mounted on port side, and the deep cockpit locker there as well, do you find you are weighted more to port side? We have a knock off claw with 10 feet of chain. I feel that an anchor should be readily available at all times, so the deep port locker in a bucket is a logical place, except for the weight distribution issue. I believe the previous owner kept it in a bag below the cockpit, on starboard side. Only accessible by going below to get it out. Where do you store your primary anchor and rode? Thanks for any insights on these questions. Bill Wickett M17 #622...still not named!! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!
Thanks Dave and Tod for your answers. We are doing pretty much the same with totes. Bill On Thu, Jul 30, 2009 at 11:35 PM, W David Scobie <wdscobie@yahoo.com> wrote:
SWEET PEA, my M17, had the motor mount moved from port to starboard side. her last owner told me that the owner before him was told by her first owner (everyone follow that) the mount was moved to balance the boat: motor weight v. that filling the starboard deep locker (and in SWEET PEA's case the galley). IMO this is overkill.
fill the boat with items for a cruise and add the crew the entire idea of balance goes out the window as the weight of the motor v. anchor is less than where all the other gear is stowed. OK, maybe if you are a racer the balance idea is 'worth it'. IMO you have 'rail meat' to balance the boat.
now, sitting 'mostly empty' SWEET PEA stays on her lines. thing is, so are other M17s with the motor on the port side.
i use rigid totes for most storage. these slide down the starboard 1/4-berth and under the cockpit floor. very small totes are used in the galley space and under the 1/4 berth. thus far i've used only soft duffel type bags for storage under the forward part of the v-berth. for longer cruises i put 2 5-gallon rigid coleman water jugs under the cockpit floor.
i carry two anchors - a danforth and a 'claw' knock-offs. both have their own 20' of chain and 200' of rode. i believe both are 9# anchors. in puget sound the length of rode is important ... my trip at the beginning of this week there were 12' tides. both anchors reside in the port side deep locker.
with all my stuff stored for a cruise SWEET PEA sits level. if she is leaning for any reason but wind it is because of the moving human 'rail meat'. ;-)
dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA visit SWEET PEA's www-site: http://www.m17-375.webs.com
--- On Thu, 7/30/09, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote:
Just 2 adults using an M17.
Lots of different totes and open baskets out there to slide under the cockpit or down the quarter berth. (wow, that starboard one goes waaay back!). We looked at some perforated plastic baskets tonight that would push on down either quarter berth. For the starboard side would have to link them together to retrieve the back 2 easily. These same also work under the cockpit as well. We thought that having lids might be a hassle removing them in the relatively confined space of the seating area. We used dry bags on our previous open boat. Often were diving deep into them to come up with the desired item, or emptying the bag completely.
What have you found works well for you? Rigid totes or flexible bags?
With the an outboard motor mounted on port side, and the deep cockpit locker there as well, do you find you are weighted more to port side? We have a knock off claw with 10 feet of chain. I feel that an anchor should be readily available at all times, so the deep port locker in a bucket is a logical place, except for the weight distribution issue. I believe the previous owner kept it in a bag below the cockpit, on starboard side. Only accessible by going below to get it out.
Where do you store your primary anchor and rode?
Thanks for any insights on these questions.
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Dave, just looking at the first page of your site. Very professional appearing. Well designed, a rare thing. Larry in Sacramento, Hull M-15 #189 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of W David Scobie Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 8:36 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: More newbie questions...Cruising storage solutions? SWEET PEA, my M17, had the motor mount moved from port to starboard side. her last owner told me that the owner before him was told by her first owner (everyone follow that) the mount was moved to balance the boat: motor weight v. that filling the starboard deep locker (and in SWEET PEA's case the galley). IMO this is overkill. fill the boat with items for a cruise and add the crew the entire idea of balance goes out the window as the weight of the motor v. anchor is less than where all the other gear is stowed. OK, maybe if you are a racer the balance idea is 'worth it'. IMO you have 'rail meat' to balance the boat. now, sitting 'mostly empty' SWEET PEA stays on her lines. thing is, so are other M17s with the motor on the port side. i use rigid totes for most storage. these slide down the starboard 1/4-berth and under the cockpit floor. very small totes are used in the galley space and under the 1/4 berth. thus far i've used only soft duffel type bags for storage under the forward part of the v-berth. for longer cruises i put 2 5-gallon rigid coleman water jugs under the cockpit floor. i carry two anchors - a danforth and a 'claw' knock-offs. both have their own 20' of chain and 200' of rode. i believe both are 9# anchors. in puget sound the length of rode is important ... my trip at the beginning of this week there were 12' tides. both anchors reside in the port side deep locker. with all my stuff stored for a cruise SWEET PEA sits level. if she is leaning for any reason but wind it is because of the moving human 'rail meat'. ;-) dave scobie M17 #375 - SWEET PEA visit SWEET PEA's www-site: http://www.m17-375.webs.com --- On Thu, 7/30/09, Bill Wickett <billwick@gmail.com> wrote: Just 2 adults using an M17. Lots of different totes and open baskets out there to slide under the cockpit or down the quarter berth. (wow, that starboard one goes waaay back!). We looked at some perforated plastic baskets tonight that would push on down either quarter berth. For the starboard side would have to link them together to retrieve the back 2 easily. These same also work under the cockpit as well. We thought that having lids might be a hassle removing them in the relatively confined space of the seating area. We used dry bags on our previous open boat. Often were diving deep into them to come up with the desired item, or emptying the bag completely. What have you found works well for you? Rigid totes or flexible bags? With the an outboard motor mounted on port side, and the deep cockpit locker there as well, do you find you are weighted more to port side? We have a knock off claw with 10 feet of chain. I feel that an anchor should be readily available at all times, so the deep port locker in a bucket is a logical place, except for the weight distribution issue. I believe the previous owner kept it in a bag below the cockpit, on starboard side. Only accessible by going below to get it out. Where do you store your primary anchor and rode? Thanks for any insights on these questions. Bill Wickett M17 #622...still not named!! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats Remember, there is no privacy on the Internet!
Bill, I have 2 Fortress FX-7's. I keep one in the port cockpit locker with150' 1/2" three strand line with 10' 1/4" chain. I rigged up a nylon mesh laundry bag with 4' of the bitter end coming out the bottom of the bag (whipped in place) and then just stuff the line and chain into the open end of the bag. I lay the whole thing in a shallow plastic rectangular bin with the anchor on top. I put a pair of tennis balls on each end of the stock to keep it from scratching the inside of the hull and to suppress the noise of it banging around when stowed below. I haven't weighed the whole thing but it doesn't seem to affect the balance. I made a complete second anchor set up and keep it up under the V berth on the starboard side. I like the Fortress for where I live which is mostly soft sand/mud bottom. And the FX-7 is very light (4lbs) to handle. It's easy to deploy off the port quarter. I let out enough scope and cleat it off temporarily to a mid ship cleat. Then I just carry the bag forward and pay out the line as I go forward; cleat off from the bow cleat and tie the bitter end, from out the bottom of the bag, to one of the lifting rings that Bob E made for me. Then let it off the midsheet cleat and let the breeze turn me around. So far, so good. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Wickett" <billwick@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:48 PM Subject: M_Boats: More newbie questions...Cruising storage solutions?
Just 2 adults using an M17.
Lots of different totes and open baskets out there to slide under the cockpit or down the quarter berth. (wow, that starboard one goes waaay back!). We looked at some perforated plastic baskets tonight that would push on down either quarter berth. For the starboard side would have to link them together to retrieve the back 2 easily. These same also work under the cockpit as well. We thought that having lids might be a hassle removing them in the relatively confined space of the seating area. We used dry bags on our previous open boat. Often were diving deep into them to come up with the desired item, or emptying the bag completely.
What have you found works well for you? Rigid totes or flexible bags?
With the an outboard motor mounted on port side, and the deep cockpit locker there as well, do you find you are weighted more to port side? We have a knock off claw with 10 feet of chain. I feel that an anchor should be readily available at all times, so the deep port locker in a bucket is a logical place, except for the weight distribution issue. I believe the previous owner kept it in a bag below the cockpit, on starboard side. Only accessible by going below to get it out.
Where do you store your primary anchor and rode?
Thanks for any insights on these questions.
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Sounds like a good system Joe. I like the fact that you can let the rode drip through the mesh bag into the bin, and keep the locker pretty dry. I have an FX7 for second anchor, and need the claw (ugh, it's heavy to lug forward) for primary. I will try anchoring from the cockpit and walking it forward. Thanks, Bill On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
Bill, I have 2 Fortress FX-7's. I keep one in the port cockpit locker with150' 1/2" three strand line with 10' 1/4" chain. I rigged up a nylon mesh laundry bag with 4' of the bitter end coming out the bottom of the bag (whipped in place) and then just stuff the line and chain into the open end of the bag. I lay the whole thing in a shallow plastic rectangular bin with the anchor on top. I put a pair of tennis balls on each end of the stock to keep it from scratching the inside of the hull and to suppress the noise of it banging around when stowed below. I haven't weighed the whole thing but it doesn't seem to affect the balance. I made a complete second anchor set up and keep it up under the V berth on the starboard side. I like the Fortress for where I live which is mostly soft sand/mud bottom. And the FX-7 is very light (4lbs) to handle. It's easy to deploy off the port quarter. I let out enough scope and cleat it off temporarily to a mid ship cleat. Then I just carry the bag forward and pay out the line as I go forward; cleat off from the bow cleat and tie the bitter end, from out the bottom of the bag, to one of the lifting rings that Bob E made for me. Then let it off the midsheet cleat and let the breeze turn me around. So far, so good. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Wickett" <billwick@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:48 PM Subject: M_Boats: More newbie questions...Cruising storage solutions?
Just 2 adults using an M17.
Lots of different totes and open baskets out there to slide under the cockpit or down the quarter berth. (wow, that starboard one goes waaay back!). We looked at some perforated plastic baskets tonight that would push on down either quarter berth. For the starboard side would have to link them together to retrieve the back 2 easily. These same also work under the cockpit as well. We thought that having lids might be a hassle removing them in the relatively confined space of the seating area. We used dry bags on our previous open boat. Often were diving deep into them to come up with the desired item, or emptying the bag completely.
What have you found works well for you? Rigid totes or flexible bags?
With the an outboard motor mounted on port side, and the deep cockpit locker there as well, do you find you are weighted more to port side? We have a knock off claw with 10 feet of chain. I feel that an anchor should be readily available at all times, so the deep port locker in a bucket is a logical place, except for the weight distribution issue. I believe the previous owner kept it in a bag below the cockpit, on starboard side. Only accessible by going below to get it out.
Where do you store your primary anchor and rode?
Thanks for any insights on these questions.
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I think one of the most important aspects on choosing an anchor is not so much of how big but what kind of sea bottom are you trying to anchor in. I would never used my FX7 in anything that wasn't soft and mushy. If the bottom is hard then I would be out of luck unless I had some kind of plow. Eventually I will get a WASI or a Manson but we're talking serious bucks. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Wickett" <billwick@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, July 31, 2009 12:38 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: More newbie questions...Cruising storage solutions?
Sounds like a good system Joe. I like the fact that you can let the rode drip through the mesh bag into the bin, and keep the locker pretty dry.
I have an FX7 for second anchor, and need the claw (ugh, it's heavy to lug forward) for primary. I will try anchoring from the cockpit and walking it forward.
Thanks,
Bill
On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 11:46 AM, Joe Murphy <seagray@embarqmail.com> wrote:
Bill, I have 2 Fortress FX-7's. I keep one in the port cockpit locker with150' 1/2" three strand line with 10' 1/4" chain. I rigged up a nylon mesh laundry bag with 4' of the bitter end coming out the bottom of the bag (whipped in place) and then just stuff the line and chain into the open end of the bag. I lay the whole thing in a shallow plastic rectangular bin with the anchor on top. I put a pair of tennis balls on each end of the stock to keep it from scratching the inside of the hull and to suppress the noise of it banging around when stowed below. I haven't weighed the whole thing but it doesn't seem to affect the balance. I made a complete second anchor set up and keep it up under the V berth on the starboard side. I like the Fortress for where I live which is mostly soft sand/mud bottom. And the FX-7 is very light (4lbs) to handle. It's easy to deploy off the port quarter. I let out enough scope and cleat it off temporarily to a mid ship cleat. Then I just carry the bag forward and pay out the line as I go forward; cleat off from the bow cleat and tie the bitter end, from out the bottom of the bag, to one of the lifting rings that Bob E made for me. Then let it off the midsheet cleat and let the breeze turn me around. So far, so good. Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Wickett" <billwick@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" < montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Thursday, July 30, 2009 10:48 PM Subject: M_Boats: More newbie questions...Cruising storage solutions?
Just 2 adults using an M17.
Lots of different totes and open baskets out there to slide under the cockpit or down the quarter berth. (wow, that starboard one goes waaay back!). We looked at some perforated plastic baskets tonight that would push on down either quarter berth. For the starboard side would have to link them together to retrieve the back 2 easily. These same also work under the cockpit as well. We thought that having lids might be a hassle removing them in the relatively confined space of the seating area. We used dry bags on our previous open boat. Often were diving deep into them to come up with the desired item, or emptying the bag completely.
What have you found works well for you? Rigid totes or flexible bags?
With the an outboard motor mounted on port side, and the deep cockpit locker there as well, do you find you are weighted more to port side? We have a knock off claw with 10 feet of chain. I feel that an anchor should be readily available at all times, so the deep port locker in a bucket is a logical place, except for the weight distribution issue. I believe the previous owner kept it in a bag below the cockpit, on starboard side. Only accessible by going below to get it out.
Where do you store your primary anchor and rode?
Thanks for any insights on these questions.
Bill Wickett M17 #622...still not named!! _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
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