Sleeping Arrangements on the M15
Hello All, Given the state of things, have thought of doing some extended cruising in my M15. One of my concerns is the sleeping arrangements in the cabin. After a few 5 day cruises in the Monty, I've decided, there just has to be a better way, than what I've been doing. First, I discarded all the cushions. They reduce sitting headroom height! Every inch counts in the Monty 15 cabin. Mainly, I've been sleeping head at bow, on the port side. I sleep in a sleeping bag, on top of a couple of body-length 22"-wide camping cushion pads. The bed is soft enough - that's not the problem. It's getting into the sleeping bag that's an exercise in calistenics, and getting out. Furthermore, there's all that room, to starboard. I liked to be wedged, when sleeping in a boat. I'm not sure how to assure that on the Monty, other than putting sacks of spare blankets between me and the starboard hull. I'm not much satisifed with that solution though. I've considered making some kind of wooden border, but that might be unwieldy. One other thing I do is stuff sacks of more gear into the bow triangle, so as to give me something behind the two pillows I use. Otherwise, the pillows just migrate into that wedge, while failing to take me with them. I'd be curious to know how others situate themselves when sleeping at anchor on their M15s. Thanks in advance, - Brad
I have a 17 I have not yet slept aboard, but it seems to me you want something like a "lee cloth" you could stretch across the berth. Basically a piece of cloth you lay under your bedding and then bring upwards to a rope you string from the bow to some point towards the companionway. your weight keeps the cloth down and the rope keeps it like a curtain so if you roll against it, you go no further. On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 11:58 AM brad kurlancheek <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello All, Given the state of things, have thought of doing some extended cruising in my M15. One of my concerns is the sleeping arrangements in the cabin. After a few 5 day cruises in the Monty, I've decided, there just has to be a better way, than what I've been doing. First, I discarded all the cushions. They reduce sitting headroom height! Every inch counts in the Monty 15 cabin. Mainly, I've been sleeping head at bow, on the port side. I sleep in a sleeping bag, on top of a couple of body-length 22"-wide camping cushion pads. The bed is soft enough - that's not the problem. It's getting into the sleeping bag that's an exercise in calistenics, and getting out. Furthermore, there's all that room, to starboard. I liked to be wedged, when sleeping in a boat. I'm not sure how to assure that on the Monty, other than putting sacks of spare blankets between me and the starboard hull. I'm not much satisifed with that solution though. I've considered making some kind of wooden border, but that might be unwieldy. One other thing I do is stuff sacks of more gear into the bow triangle, so as to give me something behind the two pillows I use. Otherwise, the pillows just migrate into that wedge, while failing to take me with them.
I'd be curious to know how others situate themselves when sleeping at anchor on their M15s.
Thanks in advance,
- Brad
I have always slept feet forward and keep the cushions in place. I have some bins and bass that are stored/wedged at the bow, essentially forward of the potti cover, when underway. When at moorage the bed is to one side, and all bins/bags placed to the opposite to make as large a space as possible. In such a small craft I like the flexibility of being able to move things around. I quickly gave up trying to figure a way to sit up in the M15's cabin - I can sit up when sitting on the head. If I want headroom I sit in the cockpit (or sail on a Safe 15 or SageCat as these Jerry designs have sitting headroom). I find just laying down to read a book is comfortable for long periods if it is raining or the breeze in cockpit is uncomfortable. :: Dave Scobie :: M6'8" #650 :: SV SWALLOW - sv-swallow.com :: former owner M17 #375 SWEET PEA - m17-375.com :: former owner M15 #288 SCRED - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred/ On Fri, Apr 3, 2020, 8:58 AM brad kurlancheek <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello All, Given the state of things, have thought of doing some extended cruising in my M15. One of my concerns is the sleeping arrangements in the cabin. After a few 5 day cruises in the Monty, I've decided, there just has to be a better way, than what I've been doing. First, I discarded all the cushions. They reduce sitting headroom height! Every inch counts in the Monty 15 cabin. Mainly, I've been sleeping head at bow, on the port side. I sleep in a sleeping bag, on top of a couple of body-length 22"-wide camping cushion pads. The bed is soft enough - that's not the problem. It's getting into the sleeping bag that's an exercise in calistenics, and getting out. Furthermore, there's all that room, to starboard. I liked to be wedged, when sleeping in a boat. I'm not sure how to assure that on the Monty, other than putting sacks of spare blankets between me and the starboard hull. I'm not much satisifed with that solution though. I've considered making some kind of wooden border, but that might be unwieldy. One other thing I do is stuff sacks of more gear into the bow triangle, so as to give me something behind the two pillows I use. Otherwise, the pillows just migrate into that wedge, while failing to take me with them.
I'd be curious to know how others situate themselves when sleeping at anchor on their M15s.
Thanks in advance,
- Brad
You might consider canvas”lee boards”what we used in the old days when we were the guys who had the windward berth. Very simple. Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 3, 2020, at 8:58 AM, brad kurlancheek <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello All, Given the state of things, have thought of doing some extended cruising in my M15. One of my concerns is the sleeping arrangements in the cabin. After a few 5 day cruises in the Monty, I've decided, there just has to be a better way, than what I've been doing. First, I discarded all the cushions. They reduce sitting headroom height! Every inch counts in the Monty 15 cabin. Mainly, I've been sleeping head at bow, on the port side. I sleep in a sleeping bag, on top of a couple of body-length 22"-wide camping cushion pads. The bed is soft enough - that's not the problem. It's getting into the sleeping bag that's an exercise in calistenics, and getting out. Furthermore, there's all that room, to starboard. I liked to be wedged, when sleeping in a boat. I'm not sure how to assure that on the Monty, other than putting sacks of spare blankets between me and the starboard hull. I'm not much satisifed with that solution though. I've considered making some kind of wooden border, but that might be unwieldy. One other thing I do is stuff sacks of more gear into the bow triangle, so as to give me something behind the two pillows I use. Otherwise, the pillows just migrate into that wedge, while failing to take me with them.
I'd be curious to know how others situate themselves when sleeping at anchor on their M15s.
Thanks in advance,
- Brad
Similar subject.. I do have sitting headroom, as long as I'm leaning forward a little bit; but then, I'm only about 5'8, so.. For making dinner, I put a pillow into the porta-potti cavity. I then sit on the pillow, and a float cushion behind me for back rest. I have a roughly 3' x 1' x 1" piece of varnished pine that I place in front of me, each end of which rests just near the side cabin compartments. It acts like a shelf, and on it, I do the cooking, while facing the stern. I cross my legs indian style, as there's no room to stretch out. In each of the side cabin compartments I keep the cooking supplies, within easy reach while sitting in the "cooking/dining berth". I don't bring a cooler for these trips. Nor porta pottie, but just the 5 gallon pail setup with treated camping waste bags. I'm debating bringing my mini Thetford Porta Potti on the next trip, but am having trouble figuring out what chemicals I'm supposed to use for it. Does anyone know what they aare and where to get them? My main concern is odor. Has anyone used one in their boat for more than a few days? Do they keep the odor sealed up inside the thing over several days? No fun sailing while constantly smelling poo! (and your own at that!) On Fri, Apr 3, 2020 at 12:31 PM Edward Epifani <edepifani@hotmail.com> wrote:
You might consider canvas”lee boards”what we used in the old days when we were the guys who had the windward berth. Very simple.
Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 3, 2020, at 8:58 AM, brad kurlancheek <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello All, Given the state of things, have thought of doing some extended cruising in my M15. One of my concerns is the sleeping arrangements in the cabin. After a few 5 day cruises in the Monty, I've decided, there just has to be a better way, than what I've been doing. First, I discarded all the cushions. They reduce sitting headroom height! Every inch counts in the Monty 15 cabin. Mainly, I've been sleeping head at bow, on the port side. I sleep in a sleeping bag, on top of a couple of body-length 22"-wide camping cushion pads. The bed is soft enough - that's not the problem. It's getting into the sleeping bag that's an exercise in calistenics, and getting out. Furthermore, there's all that room, to starboard. I liked to be wedged, when sleeping in a boat. I'm not sure how to assure that on the Monty, other than putting sacks of spare blankets between me and the starboard hull. I'm not much satisifed with that solution though. I've considered making some kind of wooden border, but that might be unwieldy. One other thing I do is stuff sacks of more gear into the bow triangle, so as to give me something behind the two pillows I use. Otherwise, the pillows just migrate into that wedge, while failing to take me with them.
I'd be curious to know how others situate themselves when sleeping at anchor on their M15s.
Thanks in advance,
- Brad
Great idea discarding the cushions! My 40 year old cushions are pretty soft, I'd imagine a closed cell foam camping mat could be more comfortable, and much much thinner. I added some 'guide bolts' that allow me to set the upper companionway hatch board across the open standing area inside the companionway. This was mostly to keep my 2 y/o son from falling down in there, but also works to make a larger sleeping area. Sincerely, Tyler '81 M15 #157 S/V Defiant ----- Original Message ----- From: "bkurlancheek" <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 8:57:44 AM Subject: M_Boats: Sleeping Arrangements on the M15 Hello All, Given the state of things, have thought of doing some extended cruising in my M15. One of my concerns is the sleeping arrangements in the cabin. After a few 5 day cruises in the Monty, I've decided, there just has to be a better way, than what I've been doing. First, I discarded all the cushions. They reduce sitting headroom height! Every inch counts in the Monty 15 cabin. Mainly, I've been sleeping head at bow, on the port side. I sleep in a sleeping bag, on top of a couple of body-length 22"-wide camping cushion pads. The bed is soft enough - that's not the problem. It's getting into the sleeping bag that's an exercise in calistenics, and getting out. Furthermore, there's all that room, to starboard. I liked to be wedged, when sleeping in a boat. I'm not sure how to assure that on the Monty, other than putting sacks of spare blankets between me and the starboard hull. I'm not much satisifed with that solution though. I've considered making some kind of wooden border, but that might be unwieldy. One other thing I do is stuff sacks of more gear into the bow triangle, so as to give me something behind the two pillows I use. Otherwise, the pillows just migrate into that wedge, while failing to take me with them. I'd be curious to know how others situate themselves when sleeping at anchor on their M15s. Thanks in advance, - Brad
If you can get it by the wife I would order a complete new set of sails: main, jib, 150 genoa, storm jib, and drifter. Once you get all those in he cabin you’ll be able to wedge yourself in quite nicely. (That is a big “if” though.) Ian M-15 Judi B M-17 Seaweeble Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: casioqv@usermail.com<mailto:casioqv@usermail.com> Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 10:05 AM To: bkurlancheek<mailto:bkurlancheek@gmail.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats<mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sleeping Arrangements on the M15 Great idea discarding the cushions! My 40 year old cushions are pretty soft, I'd imagine a closed cell foam camping mat could be more comfortable, and much much thinner. I added some 'guide bolts' that allow me to set the upper companionway hatch board across the open standing area inside the companionway. This was mostly to keep my 2 y/o son from falling down in there, but also works to make a larger sleeping area. Sincerely, Tyler '81 M15 #157 S/V Defiant ----- Original Message ----- From: "bkurlancheek" <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 8:57:44 AM Subject: M_Boats: Sleeping Arrangements on the M15 Hello All, Given the state of things, have thought of doing some extended cruising in my M15. One of my concerns is the sleeping arrangements in the cabin. After a few 5 day cruises in the Monty, I've decided, there just has to be a better way, than what I've been doing. First, I discarded all the cushions. They reduce sitting headroom height! Every inch counts in the Monty 15 cabin. Mainly, I've been sleeping head at bow, on the port side. I sleep in a sleeping bag, on top of a couple of body-length 22"-wide camping cushion pads. The bed is soft enough - that's not the problem. It's getting into the sleeping bag that's an exercise in calistenics, and getting out. Furthermore, there's all that room, to starboard. I liked to be wedged, when sleeping in a boat. I'm not sure how to assure that on the Monty, other than putting sacks of spare blankets between me and the starboard hull. I'm not much satisifed with that solution though. I've considered making some kind of wooden border, but that might be unwieldy. One other thing I do is stuff sacks of more gear into the bow triangle, so as to give me something behind the two pillows I use. Otherwise, the pillows just migrate into that wedge, while failing to take me with them. I'd be curious to know how others situate themselves when sleeping at anchor on their M15s. Thanks in advance, - Brad
Ian, My late wife told me when I bought my M-15 new, many years ago, that it was my boat and I needed to pay for it out of my paycheck, which I have since then. We were both working at the time and it worked O K, she bought a new car out of her paycheck. Steve M-15 # 335 (1985) -----Original Message----- From: Ian Black Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 10:20 AM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats ; bkurlancheek Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sleeping Arrangements on the M15 If you can get it by the wife I would order a complete new set of sails: main, jib, 150 genoa, storm jib, and drifter. Once you get all those in he cabin you’ll be able to wedge yourself in quite nicely. (That is a big “if” though.) Ian M-15 Judi B M-17 Seaweeble Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10 From: casioqv@usermail.com<mailto:casioqv@usermail.com> Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 10:05 AM To: bkurlancheek<mailto:bkurlancheek@gmail.com>; For and about Montgomery Sailboats<mailto:montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Subject: Re: M_Boats: Sleeping Arrangements on the M15 Great idea discarding the cushions! My 40 year old cushions are pretty soft, I'd imagine a closed cell foam camping mat could be more comfortable, and much much thinner. I added some 'guide bolts' that allow me to set the upper companionway hatch board across the open standing area inside the companionway. This was mostly to keep my 2 y/o son from falling down in there, but also works to make a larger sleeping area. Sincerely, Tyler '81 M15 #157 S/V Defiant ----- Original Message ----- From: "bkurlancheek" <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 8:57:44 AM Subject: M_Boats: Sleeping Arrangements on the M15 Hello All, Given the state of things, have thought of doing some extended cruising in my M15. One of my concerns is the sleeping arrangements in the cabin. After a few 5 day cruises in the Monty, I've decided, there just has to be a better way, than what I've been doing. First, I discarded all the cushions. They reduce sitting headroom height! Every inch counts in the Monty 15 cabin. Mainly, I've been sleeping head at bow, on the port side. I sleep in a sleeping bag, on top of a couple of body-length 22"-wide camping cushion pads. The bed is soft enough - that's not the problem. It's getting into the sleeping bag that's an exercise in calistenics, and getting out. Furthermore, there's all that room, to starboard. I liked to be wedged, when sleeping in a boat. I'm not sure how to assure that on the Monty, other than putting sacks of spare blankets between me and the starboard hull. I'm not much satisifed with that solution though. I've considered making some kind of wooden border, but that might be unwieldy. One other thing I do is stuff sacks of more gear into the bow triangle, so as to give me something behind the two pillows I use. Otherwise, the pillows just migrate into that wedge, while failing to take me with them. I'd be curious to know how others situate themselves when sleeping at anchor on their M15s. Thanks in advance, - Brad
This is great advice. We usually just pull into the slip and get a hotel room. I guess we’ve been doing it wrong. Ha. Sent from my iPhone - please excuse any typos and the brevity of my response.
On Apr 3, 2020, at 11:05 AM, casioqv@usermail.com wrote:
Great idea discarding the cushions! My 40 year old cushions are pretty soft, I'd imagine a closed cell foam camping mat could be more comfortable, and much much thinner. I added some 'guide bolts' that allow me to set the upper companionway hatch board across the open standing area inside the companionway. This was mostly to keep my 2 y/o son from falling down in there, but also works to make a larger sleeping area. Sincerely, Tyler '81 M15 #157 S/V Defiant ----- Original Message ----- From: "bkurlancheek" <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 8:57:44 AM Subject: M_Boats: Sleeping Arrangements on the M15 Hello All, Given the state of things, have thought of doing some extended cruising in my M15. One of my concerns is the sleeping arrangements in the cabin. After a few 5 day cruises in the Monty, I've decided, there just has to be a better way, than what I've been doing. First, I discarded all the cushions. They reduce sitting headroom height! Every inch counts in the Monty 15 cabin. Mainly, I've been sleeping head at bow, on the port side. I sleep in a sleeping bag, on top of a couple of body-length 22"-wide camping cushion pads. The bed is soft enough - that's not the problem. It's getting into the sleeping bag that's an exercise in calistenics, and getting out. Furthermore, there's all that room, to starboard. I liked to be wedged, when sleeping in a boat. I'm not sure how to assure that on the Monty, other than putting sacks of spare blankets between me and the starboard hull. I'm not much satisifed with that solution though. I've considered making some kind of wooden border, but that might be unwieldy. One other thing I do is stuff sacks of more gear into the bow triangle, so as to give me something behind the two pillows I use. Otherwise, the pillows just migrate into that wedge, while failing to take me with them. I'd be curious to know how others situate themselves when sleeping at anchor on their M15s. Thanks in advance, - Brad
Well thought out thread, thank you all. Re sitting headroom at anchor: I’m thinking of a plexiglass structure that slides in behind the open hatch. Don Casey has excellent technical suggestions on homemade plexi forming. (This Old Boat)But one more damn thing to stow. Thoughts of summer cruise: Here in Oregon almost all our ramps are closed, in response to the fools who converged to the lakes and shores. The Coasties are patrolling and citing all but commercial craft. Hope this clears before good weather arrives. Ed M15 375 Sent from my iPhone
On Apr 3, 2020, at 10:05 AM, "casioqv@usermail.com" <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
Great idea discarding the cushions! My 40 year old cushions are pretty soft, I'd imagine a closed cell foam camping mat could be more comfortable, and much much thinner.
I added some 'guide bolts' that allow me to set the upper companionway hatch board across the open standing area inside the companionway. This was mostly to keep my 2 y/o son from falling down in there, but also works to make a larger sleeping area.
Sincerely, Tyler '81 M15 #157 S/V Defiant
----- Original Message ----- From: "bkurlancheek" <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, April 3, 2020 8:57:44 AM Subject: M_Boats: Sleeping Arrangements on the M15
Hello All, Given the state of things, have thought of doing some extended cruising in my M15. One of my concerns is the sleeping arrangements in the cabin. After a few 5 day cruises in the Monty, I've decided, there just has to be a better way, than what I've been doing. First, I discarded all the cushions. They reduce sitting headroom height! Every inch counts in the Monty 15 cabin. Mainly, I've been sleeping head at bow, on the port side. I sleep in a sleeping bag, on top of a couple of body-length 22"-wide camping cushion pads. The bed is soft enough - that's not the problem. It's getting into the sleeping bag that's an exercise in calistenics, and getting out. Furthermore, there's all that room, to starboard. I liked to be wedged, when sleeping in a boat. I'm not sure how to assure that on the Monty, other than putting sacks of spare blankets between me and the starboard hull. I'm not much satisifed with that solution though. I've considered making some kind of wooden border, but that might be unwieldy. One other thing I do is stuff sacks of more gear into the bow triangle, so as to give me something behind the two pillows I use. Otherwise, the pillows just migrate into that wedge, while failing to take me with them.
I'd be curious to know how others situate themselves when sleeping at anchor on their M15s.
Thanks in advance,
- Brad
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