What do you guys use for a dinghy while cruising/gunkholing in your M15? I've used Sevylor inflatables in the past, but they pop easy and take a long time to fill and empty. I am considering building the Wooden Widget Fliptail 7 folding dinghy, as it should fold up into half of the cabin, and sets up in 1 minute. I was thinking it might be possible to also design the sail rig for it so that it could take my M15 85% jib, allowing for double purpose: http://www.woodenwidget.com/fliptail.htm Tyler Dsvis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
kayaks are the best option because of their low drag and easy to paddle in all sorts of wind & sea states. dinghy's, such as a M6'8" or M7'11', have too much drag. a 'fliptail', being so light, will have a little less drag than an M-dink. the folding feature still leaves you with a LARGE item to attempt to store on-board. inflatables will take up a large percentage of the cockpit/cabin space (depending on where stowed). you can't tow an 'sevylor' type inflatable for long as the locations you tie the painter will rip out because inflatable create greater drag than a hard dinghy (and are not well made). 'avon' type dinghy's have, like the 'sevylor' types, a lot of drag and take up LOTS of space if you try to deflate on store on board. inflatables are no fun to inflate & deflate on small boats. you can't effectively row a inflatable against anything over a slight breeze and small 'wavelets'. in my cruising on the M15, M17 and Sage 17 i've only had a dinghy along once (cruising on M17). only used it once and regretted the experience (a small 'sevylor' type). sold it when i finished the trip. i've never had difficulty 'hitching a ride' when anchored out. a few times i've anchored close to shore using bow anchor and a stern anchor and waded ashore (be aware of tide situation). usually i have no problems finding dock space if i need to go ashore. the boats are small enough that you can find a place, such as the dinghy dock, to tie up for a couple of hours. -- :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner - www.freewebs.com/m15-named-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage 17 #001 AIR BORN On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 11:58 AM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
What do you guys use for a dinghy while cruising/gunkholing in your M15?
I've used Sevylor inflatables in the past, but they pop easy and take a long time to fill and empty.
I am considering building the Wooden Widget Fliptail 7 folding dinghy, as it should fold up into half of the cabin, and sets up in 1 minute. I was thinking it might be possible to also design the sail rig for it so that it could take my M15 85% jib, allowing for double purpose:
http://www.woodenwidget.com/fliptail.htm
Tyler Dsvis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
On 07-Aug-14 12:58 PM, Tyler Backman wrote: Hi Tyler, My solution was to build a Bolger designed NYMPH dinghy: light weight / easily car-topable*/ *rows well / can be sailed using a leeboard. Bolger modified the NYMPH design and added 12" to the middle making it wider and less "tippy" and called it the Ruben NYMPH. The rowing thwart runs longitudinally in the boat, so you can shift rowing position easily to accommodate a passenger or several case of beer. Check it out. Oh, it also tows very well; hardly any drag towed behind an M15. Connie
What do you guys use for a dinghy while cruising/gunkholing in your M15?
I've used Sevylor inflatables in the past, but they pop easy and take a long time to fill and empty.
I am considering building the Wooden Widget Fliptail 7 folding dinghy, as it should fold up into half of the cabin, and sets up in 1 minute. I was thinking it might be possible to also design the sail rig for it so that it could take my M15 85% jib, allowing for double purpose:
http://www.woodenwidget.com/fliptail.htm
Tyler Dsvis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
There is also this little guy, the ORU Kayak. <http://www.orukayak.com/> I can't vouch for it but it sure looks neat! On Thu, Aug 7, 2014 at 2:34 PM, Conbert Benneck <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 07-Aug-14 12:58 PM, Tyler Backman wrote:
Hi Tyler,
My solution was to build a Bolger designed NYMPH dinghy: light weight / easily car-topable*/ *rows well / can be sailed using a leeboard.
Bolger modified the NYMPH design and added 12" to the middle making it wider and less "tippy" and called it the Ruben NYMPH.
The rowing thwart runs longitudinally in the boat, so you can shift rowing position easily to accommodate a passenger or several case of beer.
Check it out.
Oh, it also tows very well; hardly any drag towed behind an M15.
Connie
What do you guys use for a dinghy while cruising/gunkholing in your M15?
I've used Sevylor inflatables in the past, but they pop easy and take a long time to fill and empty.
I am considering building the Wooden Widget Fliptail 7 folding dinghy, as it should fold up into half of the cabin, and sets up in 1 minute. I was thinking it might be possible to also design the sail rig for it so that it could take my M15 85% jib, allowing for double purpose:
http://www.woodenwidget.com/fliptail.htm
Tyler Dsvis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
-- Chris
I did a google search and the NYMPH is a beautiful little boat. I like that it has a place to sit, unlike a sabot/etc. Did towing it hurt the sailing performance of the M15 much? Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant" On Aug 7, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Conbert Benneck wrote:
On 07-Aug-14 12:58 PM, Tyler Backman wrote:
Hi Tyler,
My solution was to build a Bolger designed NYMPH dinghy: light weight / easily car-topable*/ *rows well / can be sailed using a leeboard.
Bolger modified the NYMPH design and added 12" to the middle making it wider and less "tippy" and called it the Ruben NYMPH.
The rowing thwart runs longitudinally in the boat, so you can shift rowing position easily to accommodate a passenger or several case of beer.
Check it out.
Oh, it also tows very well; hardly any drag towed behind an M15.
Connie
What do you guys use for a dinghy while cruising/gunkholing in your M15?
I've used Sevylor inflatables in the past, but they pop easy and take a long time to fill and empty.
I am considering building the Wooden Widget Fliptail 7 folding dinghy, as it should fold up into half of the cabin, and sets up in 1 minute. I was thinking it might be possible to also design the sail rig for it so that it could take my M15 85% jib, allowing for double purpose:
http://www.woodenwidget.com/fliptail.htm
Tyler Dsvis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
I built a standard Bolger Nymph 3-4 years ago and would be glad to sell it. It's in excellent condition, weighs about 70 lb. Email me at: gmhyde1@mac.com and I'll send pix. ~~~_/)~~~ Gary Sent from my iPhone :-)
On Aug 7, 2014, at 2:52 PM, Tyler Backman <casioqv@usermail.com> wrote:
I did a google search and the NYMPH is a beautiful little boat. I like that it has a place to sit, unlike a sabot/etc. Did towing it hurt the sailing performance of the M15 much?
Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
On Aug 7, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Conbert Benneck wrote:
On 07-Aug-14 12:58 PM, Tyler Backman wrote:
Hi Tyler,
My solution was to build a Bolger designed NYMPH dinghy: light weight / easily car-topable*/ *rows well / can be sailed using a leeboard.
Bolger modified the NYMPH design and added 12" to the middle making it wider and less "tippy" and called it the Ruben NYMPH.
The rowing thwart runs longitudinally in the boat, so you can shift rowing position easily to accommodate a passenger or several case of beer.
Check it out.
Oh, it also tows very well; hardly any drag towed behind an M15.
Connie
What do you guys use for a dinghy while cruising/gunkholing in your M15?
I've used Sevylor inflatables in the past, but they pop easy and take a long time to fill and empty.
I am considering building the Wooden Widget Fliptail 7 folding dinghy, as it should fold up into half of the cabin, and sets up in 1 minute. I was thinking it might be possible to also design the sail rig for it so that it could take my M15 85% jib, allowing for double purpose:
http://www.woodenwidget.com/fliptail.htm
Tyler Dsvis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
On 07-Aug-14 4:52 PM, Tyler Backman wrote: Hi Tyler, While sailing the M15 and towing the NYMPH , I would check the tension on the dinghy painter. I was always surprised how small the load was. The pull towing my old Dyer 7'-9" Dhow was appreciably more. You hardly notice the NYMPH . With a low hull weight, and the smooth curved bottom it tows extremely well / and was a delight to row for long distances. Mornings on Lake Champlain the wind hadn't gotten out of bed, so you have a flat calm and while my wife would go walking I'd row the NYMPH for miles. It required very little effort to move it. If you go to GOOGLE - Bolger NYMPH (Ruben NYMPH) you can read lots of opinions and experiences with a NYMPH. I've just spent an enjoyable hour looking at other people's Bolger designed boats. I owned a MICRO as my first trailer-sailer, and only sold it because of growing difficulty stepping the free-standing mast in the small bow area. You had to hold the mast at about an 80 degree angle, at arms length to step the mast. Bolger later did a redesign and offered a tabernacle as the mast support for the MICRO, but by that time I was a very contented M15 owner. Hasta Luego (I'm a Texan now) Connie
I did a google search and the NYMPH is a beautiful little boat. I like that it has a place to sit, unlike a sabot/etc. Did towing it hurt the sailing performance of the M15 much?
Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
On Aug 7, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Conbert Benneck wrote:
On 07-Aug-14 12:58 PM, Tyler Backman wrote:
Hi Tyler,
My solution was to build a Bolger designed NYMPH dinghy: light weight / easily car-topable*/ *rows well / can be sailed using a leeboard.
Bolger modified the NYMPH design and added 12" to the middle making it wider and less "tippy" and called it the Ruben NYMPH.
The rowing thwart runs longitudinally in the boat, so you can shift rowing position easily to accommodate a passenger or several case of beer.
Check it out.
Oh, it also tows very well; hardly any drag towed behind an M15.
Connie
What do you guys use for a dinghy while cruising/gunkholing in your M15?
I've used Sevylor inflatables in the past, but they pop easy and take a long time to fill and empty.
I am considering building the Wooden Widget Fliptail 7 folding dinghy, as it should fold up into half of the cabin, and sets up in 1 minute. I was thinking it might be possible to also design the sail rig for it so that it could take my M15 85% jib, allowing for double purpose:
http://www.woodenwidget.com/fliptail.htm
Tyler Dsvis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
Hey Connie, What part of Texas do you hail from ?.... I am in East Texas between Tyler and Lufkin at Lake Striker. I have owned a Monty 15 and 17, both being EXCELLENT boats, and I miss the 17. I now am sailing a Sparrow 16 which is a very good little boat, hard chined and sails very well and about half the weight of the M17. We have two M17 owners here on Striker. I am a sailmaker by trade and work almost totally for Duckworks. Also the moderator of the Yahoo group "Geeziers Gaggle"......... Been a Texan all my life.....See Ya'll later ! Bill Tosh Tosh Custom Boatworks www.tcboats.com Henderson, Tx. -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Conbert Benneck Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 5:18 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 dinghy options On 07-Aug-14 4:52 PM, Tyler Backman wrote: Hi Tyler, While sailing the M15 and towing the NYMPH , I would check the tension on the dinghy painter. I was always surprised how small the load was. The pull towing my old Dyer 7'-9" Dhow was appreciably more. You hardly notice the NYMPH . With a low hull weight, and the smooth curved bottom it tows extremely well / and was a delight to row for long distances. Mornings on Lake Champlain the wind hadn't gotten out of bed, so you have a flat calm and while my wife would go walking I'd row the NYMPH for miles. It required very little effort to move it. If you go to GOOGLE - Bolger NYMPH (Ruben NYMPH) you can read lots of opinions and experiences with a NYMPH. I've just spent an enjoyable hour looking at other people's Bolger designed boats. I owned a MICRO as my first trailer-sailer, and only sold it because of growing difficulty stepping the free-standing mast in the small bow area. You had to hold the mast at about an 80 degree angle, at arms length to step the mast. Bolger later did a redesign and offered a tabernacle as the mast support for the MICRO, but by that time I was a very contented M15 owner. Hasta Luego (I'm a Texan now) Connie
I did a google search and the NYMPH is a beautiful little boat. I like that it has a place to sit, unlike a sabot/etc. Did towing it hurt the sailing performance of the M15 much?
Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
On Aug 7, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Conbert Benneck wrote:
On 07-Aug-14 12:58 PM, Tyler Backman wrote:
Hi Tyler,
My solution was to build a Bolger designed NYMPH dinghy: light weight / easily car-topable*/ *rows well / can be sailed using a leeboard.
Bolger modified the NYMPH design and added 12" to the middle making it wider and less "tippy" and called it the Ruben NYMPH.
The rowing thwart runs longitudinally in the boat, so you can shift rowing position easily to accommodate a passenger or several case of beer.
Check it out.
Oh, it also tows very well; hardly any drag towed behind an M15.
Connie
What do you guys use for a dinghy while cruising/gunkholing in your M15?
I've used Sevylor inflatables in the past, but they pop easy and take a long time to fill and empty.
I am considering building the Wooden Widget Fliptail 7 folding dinghy, as it should fold up into half of the cabin, and sets up in 1 minute. I was thinking it might be possible to also design the sail rig for it so that it could take my M15 85% jib, allowing for double purpose:
http://www.woodenwidget.com/fliptail.htm
Tyler Dsvis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
On 07-Aug-14 6:11 PM, Bill Tosh wrote: Hi Bill, Lived for 39 years in Glastonbury, CT, which is about 20 minutes from downtown Hartford. Used to sail our big boat out of Fort Rachel Marine on the Mystic River, and covered the area from Cape May, NJ to Boston, MA. After down-sizing to a Bolger MICRO, and then the M-15, we sailed on Lake Champlain, Moosehead Lake in Maine, in the Florida Keys, on the Chesapeake, and between those longer trips, at a Connecticut lake. Last year we bought a house in Dallas, and moved from Connecticut the end of November, to be closer to our daughter and son-in-law. My wife had a stroke last May, and in Connecticut we had no relatives in the area. Our daughter lived in Dallas and our son has a business in Germany. Having a Texas Driver's License now makes me a card carrying Texan! Ciao, Connie
Hey Connie, What part of Texas do you hail from ?.... I am in East Texas between Tyler and Lufkin at Lake Striker.
I have owned a Monty 15 and 17, both being EXCELLENT boats, and I miss the 17. I now am sailing a Sparrow 16 which is a very good little boat, hard chined and sails very well and about half the weight of the M17. We have two M17 owners here on Striker.
I am a sailmaker by trade and work almost totally for Duckworks.
Also the moderator of the Yahoo group "Geeziers Gaggle".........
Been a Texan all my life.....See Ya'll later !
Bill Tosh Tosh Custom Boatworks www.tcboats.com Henderson, Tx.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Conbert Benneck Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 5:18 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 dinghy options
On 07-Aug-14 4:52 PM, Tyler Backman wrote:
Hi Tyler,
While sailing the M15 and towing the NYMPH , I would check the tension on the dinghy painter. I was always surprised how small the load was.
The pull towing my old Dyer 7'-9" Dhow was appreciably more. You hardly notice the NYMPH .
With a low hull weight, and the smooth curved bottom it tows extremely well / and was a delight to row for long distances.
Mornings on Lake Champlain the wind hadn't gotten out of bed, so you have a flat calm and while my wife would go walking I'd row the NYMPH for miles. It required very little effort to move it.
If you go to GOOGLE - Bolger NYMPH (Ruben NYMPH) you can read lots of opinions and experiences with a NYMPH.
I've just spent an enjoyable hour looking at other people's Bolger designed boats.
I owned a MICRO as my first trailer-sailer, and only sold it because of growing difficulty stepping the free-standing mast in the small bow area. You had to hold the mast at about an 80 degree angle, at arms length to step the mast.
Bolger later did a redesign and offered a tabernacle as the mast support for the MICRO, but by that time I was a very contented M15 owner.
Hasta Luego (I'm a Texan now)
Connie
I did a google search and the NYMPH is a beautiful little boat. I like that it has a place to sit, unlike a sabot/etc. Did towing it hurt the sailing performance of the M15 much? Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
On Aug 7, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Conbert Benneck wrote:
On 07-Aug-14 12:58 PM, Tyler Backman wrote:
Hi Tyler,
My solution was to build a Bolger designed NYMPH dinghy: light weight / easily car-topable*/ *rows well / can be sailed using a leeboard. Bolger modified the NYMPH design and added 12" to the middle making it wider and less "tippy" and called it the Ruben NYMPH. The rowing thwart runs longitudinally in the boat, so you can shift rowing position easily to accommodate a passenger or several case of beer. Check it out.
Oh, it also tows very well; hardly any drag towed behind an M15.
Connie
What do you guys use for a dinghy while cruising/gunkholing in your M15?
I've used Sevylor inflatables in the past, but they pop easy and take a long time to fill and empty. I am considering building the Wooden Widget Fliptail 7 folding dinghy, as it should fold up into half of the cabin, and sets up in 1 minute. I was thinking it might be possible to also design the sail rig for it so that it could take my M15 85% jib, allowing for double purpose: http://www.woodenwidget.com/fliptail.htm
Tyler Dsvis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
Hey Connie,,,,, Glad to have you with us Texicans !.... We have one member of the Geeziers Gaggle, Tommy Jensen, from Grand Praire (close to you). We try to have around 5 or 6 get-togethers a year at one of the several inland lakes and also the Gulf Coast. Just a bunch of old geeziers like me that love to sail and camp out. Bunch of good folks, sometimes with the wifes and sometimes not and sometimes mixed. Good fellowship, good food, etc etc etc....would like for you to join the group if you would like to, and if you can since Yahoo screwed up everything. https://groups.yahoo.com/neo/groups/geeziers/info Sorry to hear about your wife's stroke..... Hope she is doing OK now ? I lost my first wife of 42 years to cancer and have remarried a "wonderful" Coonass lady. Loves to sail and COOK !.... how does one beat that, at 72 (me) ? Bill Lake Striker, TX. Henderson -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Conbert Benneck Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 8:01 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 dinghy options On 07-Aug-14 6:11 PM, Bill Tosh wrote: Hi Bill, Lived for 39 years in Glastonbury, CT, which is about 20 minutes from downtown Hartford. Used to sail our big boat out of Fort Rachel Marine on the Mystic River, and covered the area from Cape May, NJ to Boston, MA. After down-sizing to a Bolger MICRO, and then the M-15, we sailed on Lake Champlain, Moosehead Lake in Maine, in the Florida Keys, on the Chesapeake, and between those longer trips, at a Connecticut lake. Last year we bought a house in Dallas, and moved from Connecticut the end of November, to be closer to our daughter and son-in-law. My wife had a stroke last May, and in Connecticut we had no relatives in the area. Our daughter lived in Dallas and our son has a business in Germany. Having a Texas Driver's License now makes me a card carrying Texan! Ciao, Connie
Hey Connie, What part of Texas do you hail from ?.... I am in East Texas between
Tyler and Lufkin at Lake Striker.
I have owned a Monty 15 and 17, both being EXCELLENT boats, and I miss the 17. I now am sailing a Sparrow 16 which is a very good little boat, hard chined and sails very well and about half the weight of the M17. We have two M17 owners here on Striker.
I am a sailmaker by trade and work almost totally for Duckworks.
Also the moderator of the Yahoo group "Geeziers Gaggle".........
Been a Texan all my life.....See Ya'll later !
Bill Tosh Tosh Custom Boatworks www.tcboats.com Henderson, Tx.
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Conbert Benneck Sent: Thursday, August 07, 2014 5:18 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: Re: M_Boats: M15 dinghy options
On 07-Aug-14 4:52 PM, Tyler Backman wrote:
Hi Tyler,
While sailing the M15 and towing the NYMPH , I would check the tension on the dinghy painter. I was always surprised how small the load was.
The pull towing my old Dyer 7'-9" Dhow was appreciably more. You hardly notice the NYMPH .
With a low hull weight, and the smooth curved bottom it tows extremely well / and was a delight to row for long distances.
Mornings on Lake Champlain the wind hadn't gotten out of bed, so you have a flat calm and while my wife would go walking I'd row the NYMPH for miles. It required very little effort to move it.
If you go to GOOGLE - Bolger NYMPH (Ruben NYMPH) you can read lots of opinions and experiences with a NYMPH.
I've just spent an enjoyable hour looking at other people's Bolger designed boats.
I owned a MICRO as my first trailer-sailer, and only sold it because of growing difficulty stepping the free-standing mast in the small bow area. You had to hold the mast at about an 80 degree angle, at arms length to step the mast.
Bolger later did a redesign and offered a tabernacle as the mast support for the MICRO, but by that time I was a very contented M15 owner.
Hasta Luego (I'm a Texan now)
Connie
I did a google search and the NYMPH is a beautiful little boat. I like that it has a place to sit, unlike a sabot/etc. Did towing it hurt the sailing performance of the M15 much? Tyler Davis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
On Aug 7, 2014, at 12:34 PM, Conbert Benneck wrote:
On 07-Aug-14 12:58 PM, Tyler Backman wrote:
Hi Tyler,
My solution was to build a Bolger designed NYMPH dinghy: light weight / easily car-topable*/ *rows well / can be sailed using a leeboard. Bolger modified the NYMPH design and added 12" to the middle making it wider and less "tippy" and called it the Ruben NYMPH. The rowing thwart runs longitudinally in the boat, so you can shift rowing position easily to accommodate a passenger or several case of beer. Check it out.
Oh, it also tows very well; hardly any drag towed behind an M15.
Connie
What do you guys use for a dinghy while cruising/gunkholing in your M15?
I've used Sevylor inflatables in the past, but they pop easy and take a long time to fill and empty. I am considering building the Wooden Widget Fliptail 7 folding dinghy, as it should fold up into half of the cabin, and sets up in 1 minute. I was thinking it might be possible to also design the sail rig for it so that it could take my M15 85% jib, allowing for double purpose: http://www.woodenwidget.com/fliptail.htm
Tyler Dsvis, CA M15 #157 "Defiant"
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