So I'm out right now reefed in some pretty good wind 10-15...and I'm recalling my snipe which was fastest when flat as a planing hull. What's a Monty like best?? Jazz
On 9/7/2016 4:10 PM, Jazzy wrote: Hi Jazz, I'd say about 15 -20 degrees: displacement boats like to sail on their feet. If you bury the lee rail, it's good for action photos but slower than an angle that doesn't spill your beer. Connie
So I'm out right now reefed in some pretty good wind 10-15...and I'm recalling my snipe which was fastest when flat as a planing hull. What's a Monty like best??
Jazz
5hat exactly what I was thinking...wind died, rain started..sad motor in! Lol But the tunes are rocking and life is good regardless! Jazz On Sep 7, 2016 2:28 PM, "Conbert Benneck" <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/7/2016 4:10 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Hi Jazz,
I'd say about 15 -20 degrees: displacement boats like to sail on their feet. If you bury the lee rail, it's good for action photos but slower than an angle that doesn't spill your beer. Connie
So I'm out right now reefed in some pretty good wind 10-15...and I'm recalling my snipe which was fastest when flat as a planing hull. What's a Monty like best??
Jazz
Is that the Tacoma Dome I see framed between the jib and the starboard shrouds? :-) john S. On 09/07/2016 04:36 PM, Jazzy wrote:
5hat exactly what I was thinking...wind died, rain started..sad motor in! Lol But the tunes are rocking and life is good regardless!
Jazz On Sep 7, 2016 2:28 PM, "Conbert Benneck" <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/7/2016 4:10 PM, Jazzy wrote:
Hi Jazz,
I'd say about 15 -20 degrees: displacement boats like to sail on their feet. If you bury the lee rail, it's good for action photos but slower than an angle that doesn't spill your beer. Connie
So I'm out right now reefed in some pretty good wind 10-15...and I'm recalling my snipe which was fastest when flat as a planing hull. What's a Monty like best??
Jazz
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10 to 15 degrees. Same for M15, M17 and Sage 17. Best also if you heel when off the wind using crew to balance boat. :: Dave Scobie On Sep 7, 2016 3:11 PM, "Jazzy" <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
So I'm out right now reefed in some pretty good wind 10-15...and I'm recalling my snipe which was fastest when flat as a planing hull. What's a Monty like best??
Jazz
On 9/7/2016 4:10 PM, Jazzy wrote: Hi Jazz, Longitudinal trim is important too. Roll in a little nose-down trim on your M17 autopilot to keep the transom's bottom end from dragging through the water and creating a drag burble there. On our M15 I sat as far forward in the cockpit as I could; and put my water jugs as far forward as possible to keep the transom from being in the water and dragging. Trim properly and go faster. Connie PS: When I worked for Sperry Gyroscope Company (1950-'55) I got to "play" with, and "fly"many different types of aircraft while adjusting the Sperry A-12 autopilot to the flying characteristics of say a Lockheed Lodestar; a DC-6; a C-46; or a private B-25. I had to adjust Displacement; Rate; and Repeat back tap switches settings so that the autopilot was properly damped, and you didn't go roller-coasting or wallowing across the sky.
So I'm out right now reefed in some pretty good wind 10-15...and I'm recalling my snipe which was fastest when flat as a planing hull. What's a Monty like best??
Jazz
It's is the dome! I do feel like it's dragging at butt a little, but my gas cans and anchor rode and chain are aft..and my butt too. I'll get on that stuff when I get new sails someday, kinda mute with 38 year old sails...lol On Sep 8, 2016 8:36 AM, "Conbert Benneck" <chbenneck@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/7/2016 4:10 PM, Jazzy wrote: Hi Jazz,
Longitudinal trim is important too.
Roll in a little nose-down trim on your M17 autopilot to keep the transom's bottom end from dragging through the water and creating a drag burble there.
On our M15 I sat as far forward in the cockpit as I could; and put my water jugs as far forward as possible to keep the transom from being in the water and dragging.
Trim properly and go faster. Connie
PS: When I worked for Sperry Gyroscope Company (1950-'55) I got to "play" with, and "fly"many different types of aircraft while adjusting the Sperry A-12 autopilot to the flying characteristics of say a Lockheed Lodestar; a DC-6; a C-46; or a private B-25. I had to adjust Displacement; Rate; and Repeat back tap switches settings so that the autopilot was properly damped, and you didn't go roller-coasting or wallowing across the sky.
So I'm out right now reefed in some pretty good wind 10-15...and I'm recalling my snipe which was fastest when flat as a planing hull. What's a Monty like best??
Jazz
i forget ... is your M17 a galley model Jazzy? don't sit near the transom ... sit just aft of the mainsheet traveler. :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html :: SageCat #000 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
It's is the dome! I do feel like it's dragging at butt a little, but my gas cans and anchor rode and chain are aft..and my butt too. I'll get on that stuff when I get new sails someday, kinda mute with 38 year old sails...lol
It is a galley model and if I sit aft of the traveller I'm swimming! Lol... There's no traveller really, the mainsheet goes from corner to boom to corner on the transom. Not the best but it keeps the cockpit nice and open. Jazz On Sep 8, 2016 12:01 PM, "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
i forget ... is your M17 a galley model Jazzy?
don't sit near the transom ... sit just aft of the mainsheet traveler.
:: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html :: SageCat #000 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html
On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
It's is the dome! I do feel like it's dragging at butt a little, but my gas cans and anchor rode and chain are aft..and my butt too. I'll get on that stuff when I get new sails someday, kinda mute with 38 year old sails...lol
Jazz: with your mainsheet setup use a tiller extender and sit as far forward as possible. you may want to consider getting a longer tiller (John a JOWoodworks can make you a good one). put your ground tackle in the port cockpit locker, and forward on the locker floor. :: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html :: SageCat #000 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
It is a galley model and if I sit aft of the traveller I'm swimming! Lol...
There's no traveller really, the mainsheet goes from corner to boom to corner on the transom. Not the best but it keeps the cockpit nice and open.
Jazz On Sep 8, 2016 12:01 PM, "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
i forget ... is your M17 a galley model Jazzy?
don't sit near the transom ... sit just aft of the mainsheet traveler.
:: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html :: SageCat #000 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html
On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
It's is the dome! I do feel like it's dragging at butt a little, but my gas cans and anchor rode and chain are aft..and my butt too. I'll get on that stuff when I get new sails someday, kinda mute with 38 year old sails...lol
Will do! I installed an extension recently...works great! Jazz On Sep 8, 2016 1:42 PM, "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
Jazz:
with your mainsheet setup use a tiller extender and sit as far forward as possible. you may want to consider getting a longer tiller (John a JOWoodworks can make you a good one).
put your ground tackle in the port cockpit locker, and forward on the locker floor.
:: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html :: SageCat #000 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html
On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 2:32 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
It is a galley model and if I sit aft of the traveller I'm swimming! Lol...
There's no traveller really, the mainsheet goes from corner to boom to corner on the transom. Not the best but it keeps the cockpit nice and open.
Jazz On Sep 8, 2016 12:01 PM, "Dave Scobie" <scoobscobie@gmail.com> wrote:
i forget ... is your M17 a galley model Jazzy?
don't sit near the transom ... sit just aft of the mainsheet traveler.
:: Dave Scobie :: former M15 owner #288 - http://www.freewebs.com/m15-name-scred :: M17 #375 SWEET PEA - http://www.m17-375.webs.com :: Sage 17 #1 - AIR BORN - http://sagemarine.us/sage_17.html :: Sage 15 sloop #001 - ASOLARE - http://sagemarine.us/sage_15.html :: SageCat #000 - SAGECAT - http://sagemarine.us/sagecat.html
On Thu, Sep 8, 2016 at 12:38 PM, Jazzy <jazzydaze@gmail.com> wrote:
It's is the dome! I do feel like it's dragging at butt a little, but my gas cans and anchor rode and chain are aft..and my butt too. I'll get on that stuff when I get new sails someday, kinda mute with 38 year old sails...lol
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