RE: M_Boats: Halyard Blocks, Boom Bale
As for the boom bale, I've never installed one but all of them that I've seen were pop-riveted on:
Probably fine. But it might even be less work to run a bolt right through from one side to the other, preferably with a sleeve between the bolt and the boom. That's the arrangement that I have on Dolphin.
A sunbrella cover that I will hoist up to the head of the mast to cover my furled genoa
I wonder if it would be easier to sew a cover along the luff of the sail so that it covers itself as it rolls up. Giles Morris Arlington VA Montgomery 15 "Umiaq" Vancouver 25 "Dolphin" Miscellaneous small craft
Thanks, Giles. I have considered a bolt for the bale, also. What type and thickness of metal did you use for the bale? Regarding the genoa, the luff tape would be 100% easier, but mine is an odd circumstance: When I bought my (used) CDI Furler, I planned to mount an Egyptian-cotton (colored Dacron) 155% genoa. The sail shop said that no UV-resistant Dacron (Sunbrella is obviously too heavy for a M17's genoa) was available in Egyptian-cotton color, so I would have to use white. I didn't want an Egyptian-cotton colored genoa with a white luff tape, so the sail shop suggested a Sunbrella "sock" pulled up over the furled sail. Because I ran out of money last summer, I ended up having my existing genoa mounted on the CDI. Since I wanted to replace the old genny as soon as possible, I didn't opt for UV-resistant white tape for my old white sail either, but decided to instead put the expense toward the Sunbrella "sock" so that, when I DID mount that Egyptian-cotton-colored headsail, I would have UV protection without a white luff tape. Now that all is said and done, I'm considering tanbark anyway! I would be curious to know whether Storm Petrel (Bill?) has her tanbark jib on a furler (would anyone bother with a furler on a 15' boat?) and, if so, whether UV-resistant Dacron is available in Dacron (my sailmaker said it was available in white, period). I have seen boats in the U.K. (Giles, you're from England, aren't you) with Egyptian-cotton colored jib and tanbark main, so that's another option I'm considering. --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Morris, Giles" <giles.morris@unisys.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 11:10 AM Subject: Halyard Blocks, Boom Bale
As for the boom bale, I've never installed one but all of them that I've seen were pop-riveted on:
Probably fine. But it might even be less work to run a bolt right through from one side to the other, preferably with a sleeve between the bolt and the boom. That's the arrangement that I have on Dolphin.
A sunbrella cover that I will hoist up to the head of the mast to cover my furled genoa
I wonder if it would be easier to sew a cover along the luff of the sail so that it covers itself as it rolls up. Giles Morris Arlington VA Montgomery 15 "Umiaq" Vancouver 25 "Dolphin" Miscellaneous small craft _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Thanks, Giles. I have considered a bolt for the bale, also. What type and thickness of metal did you use for the bale? Regarding the genoa, the luff tape would be 100% easier, but mine is an odd circumstance: When I bought my (used) CDI Furler, I planned to mount an Egyptian-cotton (colored Dacron) 155% genoa. The sail shop said that no UV-resistant Dacron (Sunbrella is obviously too heavy for a M17's genoa) was available in Egyptian-cotton color, so I would have to use white. I didn't want an Egyptian-cotton colored genoa with a white luff tape, so the sail shop suggested a Sunbrella "sock" pulled up over the furled sail. Because I ran out of money last summer, I ended up having my existing genoa mounted on the CDI. Since I wanted to replace the old genny as soon as possible, I didn't opt for UV-resistant white tape for my old white sail either, but decided to instead put the expense toward the Sunbrella "sock" so that, when I DID mount that Egyptian-cotton-colored headsail, I would have UV protection without a white luff tape. Now that all is said and done, I'm considering tanbark anyway! I would be curious to know whether Storm Petrel (Bill?) has her tanbark jib on a furler (would anyone bother with a furler on a 15' boat?) and, if so, whether UV-resistant Dacron is available in Tanbark (my sailmaker said it was available in white, period). I have seen boats in the U.K. (Giles, you're from England, aren't you) with Egyptian-cotton colored jib and tanbark main, so that's another option I'm considering. --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Morris, Giles" <giles.morris@unisys.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, February 11, 2003 11:10 AM Subject: Halyard Blocks, Boom Bale
As for the boom bale, I've never installed one but all of them that I've seen were pop-riveted on:
Probably fine. But it might even be less work to run a bolt right through from one side to the other, preferably with a sleeve between the bolt and the boom. That's the arrangement that I have on Dolphin.
A sunbrella cover that I will hoist up to the head of the mast to cover my furled genoa
I wonder if it would be easier to sew a cover along the luff of the sail so that it covers itself as it rolls up. Giles Morris Arlington VA Montgomery 15 "Umiaq" Vancouver 25 "Dolphin" Miscellaneous small craft
My tanbark jib is not on a furler. Bill Riker M-15 #184 Storm Petrel
Thanks, Bill. It didn't look as if it was, but I wasn't sure. Would a furler be practical on a 15' oat? --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Riker" <wriker@mindspring.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:24 PM Subject: Boom Bale, Genoa Cover My tanbark jib is not on a furler. Bill Riker M-15 #184 Storm Petrel
Craig, Some use 'em. They don't seem practical to me, especially on a boat that is trailer-sailed. More practical if sailing out of a slip. Bill Riker M-15 #184 Storm Petrel -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Honshells Sent: June 02, 1999 10:51 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Boom Bale, Genoa Cover Thanks, Bill. It didn't look as if it was, but I wasn't sure. Would a furler be practical on a 15' oat? --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Riker" <wriker@mindspring.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:24 PM Subject: Boom Bale, Genoa Cover My tanbark jib is not on a furler. Bill Riker M-15 #184 Storm Petrel _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Hi all; I installed a CDI furler several years ago on my M15, its either an FF1 of FF2, the smallest CDI makes at any rate. I have used it an equal amount both trailer sailing and when moored for the summer. Pre and post launch set-up and take-down probably takes about 5 minutes longer than it did with the original rigging. When trailering the furler and forestay rest along the toe rail. The total length of the furler unit is just a couple of inches longer than the outside curve of the hull, so it fits nicely without having to coil it up. I have only had the genoa set up to hoist on the CDI. The furling leaves a bit to be desired if one is intent on having perfect sail shape, but for me it works well. Seems like I usually have the sail extended all the way most of the time anyway since most of the sailing I do in in light wind conditions. Until we got the Monty, the smallest boat my wife had been on was the Annecortes Ferry in the San Juan's. In the beginning she was a little apprehensive about going forward in calm conditions, much less inclined if we needed to douse or change out head sails when the wind came up. Now, all she needs to do is pull a line in the safety of the cockpit and the sail magically disappears (almost). At any rate she is happy so I am happy. All in all I'm very pleased with the CDI unit and have no regrets on installing or using it. I also have tanbark sails with no sun protection sewn in. I've not noticed any discoloration or fading, but I also remove the sail when its going to be a week or more between sails. I have though about using a sunbrella sock as has been discussed, but where I live a rainbrella would be more appropriate. Hope all this rambling answers some questions on using a furler on the 15', if not I'll be happy to answer any that I can. Don Haas, M15-248 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill Riker wrote:
Craig,
Some use 'em. They don't seem practical to me, especially on a boat that is trailer-sailed. More practical if sailing out of a slip.
Bill Riker M-15 #184 Storm Petrel
-----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Honshells Sent: June 02, 1999 10:51 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Boom Bale, Genoa Cover
Thanks, Bill. It didn't look as if it was, but I wasn't sure. Would a furler be practical on a 15' oat? --Craig
----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Riker" <wriker@mindspring.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:24 PM Subject: Boom Bale, Genoa Cover
My tanbark jib is not on a furler.
Bill Riker M-15 #184 Storm Petrel
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Thanks, Don! --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Don Haas" <dshaas@sprintmail.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2003 10:41 PM Subject: M15 Furler, Genoa Cover Hi all; I installed a CDI furler several years ago on my M15, its either an FF1 of FF2, the smallest CDI makes at any rate. I have used it an equal amount both trailer sailing and when moored for the summer. Pre and post launch set-up and take-down probably takes about 5 minutes longer than it did with the original rigging. When trailering the furler and forestay rest along the toe rail. The total length of the furler unit is just a couple of inches longer than the outside curve of the hull, so it fits nicely without having to coil it up. I have only had the genoa set up to hoist on the CDI. The furling leaves a bit to be desired if one is intent on having perfect sail shape, but for me it works well. Seems like I usually have the sail extended all the way most of the time anyway since most of the sailing I do in in light wind conditions. Until we got the Monty, the smallest boat my wife had been on was the Annecortes Ferry in the San Juan's. In the beginning she was a little apprehensive about going forward in calm conditions, much less inclined if we needed to douse or change out head sails when the wind came up. Now, all she needs to do is pull a line in the safety of the cockpit and the sail magically disappears (almost). At any rate she is happy so I am happy. All in all I'm very pleased with the CDI unit and have no regrets on installing or using it. I also have tanbark sails with no sun protection sewn in. I've not noticed any discoloration or fading, but I also remove the sail when its going to be a week or more between sails. I have though about using a sunbrella sock as has been discussed, but where I live a rainbrella would be more appropriate. Hope all this rambling answers some questions on using a furler on the 15', if not I'll be happy to answer any that I can. Don Haas, M15-248 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Bill Riker wrote: Craig, Some use 'em. They don't seem practical to me, especially on a boat that is trailer-sailed. More practical if sailing out of a slip. Bill Riker M-15 #184 Storm Petrel -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-admin@mailman.xmission.com]On Behalf Of Honshells Sent: June 02, 1999 10:51 PM To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: Boom Bale, Genoa Cover Thanks, Bill. It didn't look as if it was, but I wasn't sure. Would a furler be practical on a 15' boat? --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: "Bill Riker" <wriker@mindspring.com> To: <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:24 PM Subject: Boom Bale, Genoa Cover My tanbark jib is not on a furler. Bill Riker M-15 #184 Storm Petrel
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