Hi Doug, I made a kick-up rudder for my M17, Theo put the whole article in the late spring 2000 issue of the now gone Montgomery Newsletter. Do you have copies of the newsletters? I could fax to you the info if you wish. I also have a spare SS cheekplate I could make a template from. Think spring, I am. Bones in Minnesota M17 #92 M23 #75 ________________________________________________________________ GET INTERNET ACCESS FROM JUNO! Juno offers FREE or PREMIUM Internet access for less! Join Juno today! For your FREE software, visit: http://dl.www.juno.com/get/web/.