Re: M_Boats: Re: monty vs cape dory typhoon
My limited experience with the Cape Dory is that it was very pretty for its time. One either likes the lines with the classic overhangs and sheer--or not. For the sailing part, it points pretty well with the right headsail, but is somewhat slow to the weathermark and slightly wet with its fine bow and narrow lines. It is also a bit tender. The cockpit is modestly comfortable, and the interior accomodations are just about right to stow a couple of headsails only. The Montgomery, on the other hand, .......................................! I totally agree with everything that everyone else has said about the M 17. I have no experience with the 15. As proof of the pudding, we just bought our second M 17 to sail the cold, foggy waters off the coast of Maine because we wanted the smallest, most comfortable boat that we could find that looked good and was safe and FUN to sail in all kinds of weather. "Nough said. Skip Langley, Rockport, TX
I personally think the Cape Dorys are some of the prettiest production boats out there, but, as others have said, they are very different kinds of boats. I haven't sailed on a typhoon although I have seen them on the water. In fact, before I had Busca I was sailing with Bill on Storm Petrel in Lake Erie when we were trounced by a typhoon. The wind was very light and the water very choppy from powerboat wakes. We couldn't get Storm Petrel to quit pitching long enough to keep wind in her sails but the typhoon glided past us as easy and steady as can be. However, I think that situation is probably one of very few where a typhoon would be faster than an M-15. I know the Cape Dory 33 I was on last summer was routinely passed by smaller boats. All the typhoon sailors I've heard talk about their boats speak very highly of them, but then the same seems to be true of Montgomerys. Cape Dory cockpits are not nearly as ergonomic as the Montgomerys, especially the 17. It sure seems to me that there is someone on the list who has actually owned both a Typhoon and an M-17....??? Harvey? I would definitely try to sail aboard both boats before buying because the differences are mostly in handling, aesthetics, and ergonomics, all very personal preferences. Before I bought my Tartan 26, I was leaning towards a Cape Dory 27 but two weeks aboard the Cape Dory 33 changed my mind. (of course, I haven't sailed the Tartan yet, something I wish I had done; who knows, it may be on the market next summer!) Tod www.bright.net/~htmills/ M17 #408 BuscaBrisas
Am I hallucinating, or did "Good Old Boat's" regular design columnist (Is it Robert Perry, or what's-his-name with all the unusual small-boat designs?) mention the CD Typhoon and M17 in the same context in a 2003 review? It seems he was reviewing a similar-sized boat, but mentioned the Typhoon and M17, also . . . I remember being aggravated that he got the M17 specs wrong . . . I think "G.O.B." may have also mistakenly printed a small drawing of the M23, to illustrate the M17! p.s. And "G.O.B." also identified Lyle Hess as the designer of the M15 . . . Jerry Montgomery designed the M15 . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: <htmills@bright.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:33 PM Subject: monty vs cape dory typhoon I personally think the Cape Dorys are some of the prettiest production boats out there, but, as others have said, they are very different kinds of boats. I haven't sailed on a typhoon although I have seen them on the water. In fact, before I had Busca I was sailing with Bill on Storm Petrel in Lake Erie when we were trounced by a typhoon. The wind was very light and the water very choppy from powerboat wakes. We couldn't get Storm Petrel to quit pitching long enough to keep wind in her sails but the typhoon glided past us as easy and steady as can be. However, I think that situation is probably one of very few where a typhoon would be faster than an M-15. I know the Cape Dory 33 I was on last summer was routinely passed by smaller boats. All the typhoon sailors I've heard talk about their boats speak very highly of them, but then the same seems to be true of Montgomerys. Cape Dory cockpits are not nearly as ergonomic as the Montgomerys, especially the 17. It sure seems to me that there is someone on the list who has actually owned both a Typhoon and an M-17....??? Harvey? I would definitely try to sail aboard both boats before buying because the differences are mostly in handling, aesthetics, and ergonomics, all very personal preferences. Before I bought my Tartan 26, I was leaning towards a Cape Dory 27 but two weeks aboard the Cape Dory 33 changed my mind. (of course, I haven't sailed the Tartan yet, something I wish I had done; who knows, it may be on the market next summer!) Tod www.bright.net/~htmills/ M17 #408 BuscaBrisas _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Craig, See GOB July/Aug 2003 pg 47 for Ted Brewer's comparison of the Victoria 18, Typhoon, M-17, and Compac 16CB. See GOB May/June 2003 pg 54 for an article on the M-23 and pg 57 for Ted Brewer's comparison of the M-23 to the Compac 23 and the O'Day 23. Hope this helps, Tod
Ah yes, Tod, Ted Brewer, thanks! He followed a Victoria 18' feature article with the comparison of the Typh, M17 and 16cb. And I was confusing Brewer with Bolger, the small-boat and DIY'ers' god (I think most of Bolger's designs are eyesores, but if you're the "form follows function" type, you may find them beautiful) . . . I'm no designer, but some of Brewer's comparisons don't make sense to me, for instance, per M-List replies to Gilbert's question, it seems that comparing the CD Typhoon to the M17 is comparing apples and oranges. And I think Brewer even compared the NS27 to the Pacific Seacraft Flicka, which left me flummoxed, because the PS Dana 24' would've been much closer in size and displacement. --Craig ----- Original Message ----- From: <htmills@bright.net> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 10:54 PM Subject: yes, you are not hallucinating! Craig, See GOB July/Aug 2003 pg 47 for Ted Brewer's comparison of the Victoria 18, Typhoon, M-17, and Compac 16CB. See GOB May/June 2003 pg 54 for an article on the M-23 and pg 57 for Ted Brewer's comparison of the M-23 to the Compac 23 and the O'Day 23. Hope this helps, Tod
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Tod, When I was sailing out of Rocky River, and before I understood the M15 very well, I had a run in with a Typhoon. I was heading SE toward the Rocky River entrance, off the wind, and noticed a smallish boat behind me. It overtook me in a surprisingly (to me) rapid fashion. It was a Typhoon. I love their lines and capable looks, but not their fixed draft, small cabin and trailer-ability, or lack thereof. Bill Riker M15 #184 Storm Petrel -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of htmills@bright.net Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:33 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: M_Boats: Re: monty vs cape dory typhoon I personally think the Cape Dorys are some of the prettiest production boats out there, but, as others have said, they are very different kinds of boats. I haven't sailed on a typhoon although I have seen them on the water. In fact, before I had Busca I was sailing with Bill on Storm Petrel in Lake Erie when we were trounced by a typhoon. The wind was very light and the water very choppy from powerboat wakes. We couldn't get Storm Petrel to quit pitching long enough to keep wind in her sails but the typhoon glided past us as easy and steady as can be. However, I think that situation is probably one of very few where a typhoon would be faster than an M-15. I know the Cape Dory 33 I was on last summer was routinely passed by smaller boats. All the typhoon sailors I've heard talk about their boats speak very highly of them, but then the same seems to be true of Montgomerys. Cape Dory cockpits are not nearly as ergonomic as the Montgomerys, especially the 17. It sure seems to me that there is someone on the list who has actually owned both a Typhoon and an M-17....??? Harvey? I would definitely try to sail aboard both boats before buying because the differences are mostly in handling, aesthetics, and ergonomics, all very personal preferences. Before I bought my Tartan 26, I was leaning towards a Cape Dory 27 but two weeks aboard the Cape Dory 33 changed my mind. (of course, I haven't sailed the Tartan yet, something I wish I had done; who knows, it may be on the market next summer!) Tod www.bright.net/~htmills/ M17 #408 BuscaBrisas _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats
Ditto, CD Typhoons (and other CD's) are beautiful . . . Lest my tiresome ramblings confuse people, I know that Alberg was the designer of the Typhoon, but metioned the other designers in the context of trying to figure out which marine architect compared the Typhoon to the M17 in "G.O.B" . . . I don't understand how anyone WOULDN'T be aesthetically pleased by a boat with long overhangs and classic shear, but that's just me (with expensive William Fife coffee-table book sitting on my shelf) . . . ----- Original Message ----- From: "William B. Riker" <wriker@mindspring.com> To: "'For and about Montgomery Sailboats'" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Wednesday, January 28, 2004 5:53 PM Subject: monty vs cape dory typhoon Tod, When I was sailing out of Rocky River, and before I understood the M15 very well, I had a run in with a Typhoon. I was heading SE toward the Rocky River entrance, off the wind, and noticed a smallish boat behind me. It overtook me in a surprisingly (to me) rapid fashion. It was a Typhoon. I love their lines and capable looks, but not their fixed draft, small cabin and trailer-ability, or lack thereof. Bill Riker M15 #184 Storm Petrel -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces+wriker=mindspring.com@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of htmills@bright.net Sent: Tuesday, January 27, 2004 9:33 PM To: 'For and about Montgomery Sailboats' Subject: monty vs cape dory typhoon I personally think the Cape Dorys are some of the prettiest production boats out there, but, as others have said, they are very different kinds of boats. I haven't sailed on a typhoon although I have seen them on the water. In fact, before I had Busca I was sailing with Bill on Storm Petrel in Lake Erie when we were trounced by a typhoon. The wind was very light and the water very choppy from powerboat wakes. We couldn't get Storm Petrel to quit pitching long enough to keep wind in her sails but the typhoon glided past us as easy and steady as can be. However, I think that situation is probably one of very few where a typhoon would be faster than an M-15. I know the Cape Dory 33 I was on last summer was routinely passed by smaller boats. All the typhoon sailors I've heard talk about their boats speak very highly of them, but then the same seems to be true of Montgomerys. Cape Dory cockpits are not nearly as ergonomic as the Montgomerys, especially the 17. It sure seems to me that there is someone on the list who has actually owned both a Typhoon and an M-17....??? Harvey? I would definitely try to sail aboard both boats before buying because the differences are mostly in handling, aesthetics, and ergonomics, all very personal preferences. Before I bought my Tartan 26, I was leaning towards a Cape Dory 27 but two weeks aboard the Cape Dory 33 changed my mind. (of course, I haven't sailed the Tartan yet, something I wish I had done; who knows, it may be on the market next summer!) Tod www.bright.net/~htmills/ M17 #408 BuscaBrisas
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