I can surely see the need for power to out maneuver bad currents/bad winds/bad seas. A minnkota 30 probably won't measure up in such situation. For calm waters, though, it'll get the job done. But after a few hours, the battery's going to run out. That said, last year I'd installed a pair of oarlocks on the coamings, and made a portable wooden bench, to fit across the seats, snug up close to the companionway. This is on an M15. I also took along a pair of 10' composite 2 part oars, which i'd stored in the no man's land underneath the cockpit area. Hauled the boat down to Raystown Lake, PA, in early October for a 5-day cruise. On day 2, got the oars in place, for a test run, and found that I couldn't angle the oars down into the water far enough. So much for that idea. When I got back I ordered a pair of rotatable oar locks. Hoping that solves the problem. The only remaining question is whether there'll be sufficient leverage to be able to apply to the oars, if the beam to oar length ratio is too low. If I can get 2 knots in calm waters, that's plenty, and won't have to panic when the minnkota battery runs out of juice. As to all the creature comforts issue while on a cruise, well, sure, there's benefits, obviously, to having them. Personally tho, I can use to suffer some for a few days; it's all part of getting out there, for me. And less weight. The lighter the boat, the more likely it's going to sail in light winds, and the less I'm going to need to rely on oars or minnkota. I took out the cushions that go in the cabin. It allows for more headroom, and yep, less weight. The boat came with a propane powered Lehr. Haven't used it yet. It must be 50 lbs. For me, if the thing hanging off the transom, is to heavy that it requires me to sit farther up toward the companionway just to keep the boat balanced, then the thing hanging off the transom needs to go. But this is for an M15. It may not be an issue on an M17. Cheers
I know I'm weird/paranoid, but I think it would be nice to have a "T" bracket to hold both a trolling motor and small gas, side by side. From: brad kurlancheek <bkurlancheek@gmail.com> To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Sent: Wednesday, March 8, 2017 12:14 PM Subject: M_Boats: Trolling motor for auxiliary propulsion I can surely see the need for power to out maneuver bad currents/bad winds/bad seas. A minnkota 30 probably won't measure up in such situation. For calm waters, though, it'll get the job done. But after a few hours, the battery's going to run out. That said, last year I'd installed a pair of oarlocks on the coamings, and made a portable wooden bench, to fit across the seats, snug up close to the companionway. This is on an M15. I also took along a pair of 10' composite 2 part oars, which i'd stored in the no man's land underneath the cockpit area. Hauled the boat down to Raystown Lake, PA, in early October for a 5-day cruise. On day 2, got the oars in place, for a test run, and found that I couldn't angle the oars down into the water far enough. So much for that idea. When I got back I ordered a pair of rotatable oar locks. Hoping that solves the problem. The only remaining question is whether there'll be sufficient leverage to be able to apply to the oars, if the beam to oar length ratio is too low. If I can get 2 knots in calm waters, that's plenty, and won't have to panic when the minnkota battery runs out of juice. As to all the creature comforts issue while on a cruise, well, sure, there's benefits, obviously, to having them. Personally tho, I can use to suffer some for a few days; it's all part of getting out there, for me. And less weight. The lighter the boat, the more likely it's going to sail in light winds, and the less I'm going to need to rely on oars or minnkota. I took out the cushions that go in the cabin. It allows for more headroom, and yep, less weight. The boat came with a propane powered Lehr. Haven't used it yet. It must be 50 lbs. For me, if the thing hanging off the transom, is to heavy that it requires me to sit farther up toward the companionway just to keep the boat balanced, then the thing hanging off the transom needs to go. But this is for an M15. It may not be an issue on an M17. Cheers
On 03/08/2017 12:14 PM, brad kurlancheek wrote:
...That said, last year I'd installed a pair of oarlocks on the coamings...If I can get 2 knots in calm waters, that's plenty
The guy who did the R2AK in his Monty 17 set it up with oars that seem to have worked as well as could be on such a boat. Some brief info on this page: https://m.facebook.com/billandtedr2ak/posts/1446375249018833:0 He mentions 2 kt. average at best & chop being a significant factor. You might want to contact him about how he figured out the geometry. They had one-piece oars that they made fast/hung outboard along the toe rails, or at least that's what I read in another write-up that I can't find just now.
...The boat came with a propane powered Lehr. Haven't used it yet. It must be 50 lbs.
Is that the 5hp model? It's spec'd at ~49 lbs. Quite the overkill for an M15... The 2.5hp Lehr is spec'd at 37 1/2 lbs, not bad compared to the Honda 2.3 at 30 lbs., and lighter than all the other brands' 2.5hp gas models. But Lehr only makes a short shaft 2.5 hp. I wrote sometime last year asking if they had any plans for a long shaft 2.5hp, as there is no competition in that market, the Honda is the only option. They said no but they'd pass it along to their R&D crew... cheers, John S. -- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
I'm a former Monty 15 owner. Now sailing ComPac Suncat. Wife needed 'fatter' ride to prevent wine spillage. WRT to motor, I use Tohatsu/Nissan 6hp SailPro. Moves the fatter, slower Suncat nicely. Should be perfect for Monty 17. Online purchase from dealer in TN. May be best deal for new. Considered trolling motor for in and around marina. Never for open water. You are stuck with choice between power and battery life. Not right for situations where safety is at issue. Mike Graf Sent from my iPhone
On Mar 8, 2017, at 5:16 PM, John Schinnerer <john@eco-living.net> wrote:
On 03/08/2017 12:14 PM, brad kurlancheek wrote: ...That said, last year I'd installed a pair of oarlocks on the coamings...If I can get 2 knots in calm waters, that's plenty
The guy who did the R2AK in his Monty 17 set it up with oars that seem to have worked as well as could be on such a boat. Some brief info on this page: https://m.facebook.com/billandtedr2ak/posts/1446375249018833:0
He mentions 2 kt. average at best & chop being a significant factor. You might want to contact him about how he figured out the geometry. They had one-piece oars that they made fast/hung outboard along the toe rails, or at least that's what I read in another write-up that I can't find just now.
...The boat came with a propane powered Lehr. Haven't used it yet. It must be 50 lbs.
Is that the 5hp model? It's spec'd at ~49 lbs. Quite the overkill for an M15... The 2.5hp Lehr is spec'd at 37 1/2 lbs, not bad compared to the Honda 2.3 at 30 lbs., and lighter than all the other brands' 2.5hp gas models. But Lehr only makes a short shaft 2.5 hp. I wrote sometime last year asking if they had any plans for a long shaft 2.5hp, as there is no competition in that market, the Honda is the only option. They said no but they'd pass it along to their R&D crew...
cheers, John S.
-- John Schinnerer - M.A., Whole Systems Design -------------------------------------------- - Eco-Living - Whole Systems Design Services People - Place - Learning - Integration john@eco-living.net - 510.982.1334 http://eco-living.net http://sociocracyconsulting.com
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