Montypals: Was out in the boat in the driveway yesterday making some measurements and a few adjustments on my M15 Kestrel. With mast up I raised a plumb to the top of the mast with the main halyard, Measuring from the back of the mast it looks like I have about 8-9 inches of rake aft. Is that too much? My boat has a fair amount of weather helm, but I now have new sails, and have not yet had a chance to sail with my beautiful new main. I suspect my new main will reduce weather helm. Thoughts about the mast rake? Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
Daniel On my Pearson 23 I had 5-6 inches of rake. I would think that on the M15 with a shorter mast the rake should be a little less. On my M15 I have a rake of 4-5 inches and am fairly well balanced. I will be trying the Kestrel Main that I purchased from you as soon as the weather turns my guess it will be in late April early May. George Merry Helen II M15 #602 -----Original Message----- From: montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com [mailto:montgomery_boats-bounces@mailman.xmission.com] On Behalf Of Daniel Rich Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 8:54 PM To: For and about Montgomery Sailboats Subject: M_Boats: mast rake Montypals: Was out in the boat in the driveway yesterday making some measurements and a few adjustments on my M15 Kestrel. With mast up I raised a plumb to the top of the mast with the main halyard, Measuring from the back of the mast it looks like I have about 8-9 inches of rake aft. Is that too much? My boat has a fair amount of weather helm, but I now have new sails, and have not yet had a chance to sail with my beautiful new main. I suspect my new main will reduce weather helm. Thoughts about the mast rake? Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
8-9 inches for an M15 mast sounds like a bit much. Especially if you notice a fair amount of weather helm. Try shortening the forestay and loosening the backstay to bring the rake down to about 5 inches to start and then try sailing the boat. With the boat sailing fairly flat there should be almost no weather helm, that will increase as she heels over under more wind. Weather helm is a safety feature but too much requires you bring the tiller to windward to counteract it and that drags the rudder away from its most efficient water flow lines and slows the boat down. Good luck with your new sails. On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Montypals:
Was out in the boat in the driveway yesterday making some measurements and a few adjustments on my M15 Kestrel. With mast up I raised a plumb to the top of the mast with the main halyard, Measuring from the back of the mast it looks like I have about 8-9 inches of rake aft. Is that too much? My boat has a fair amount of weather helm, but I now have new sails, and have not yet had a chance to sail with my beautiful new main. I suspect my new main will reduce weather helm. Thoughts about the mast rake?
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
I have no backstay, but I will go ahead and move the forestay pin one notch, and the shroud pins one notch and remeasure. My boat seems to have too much weather helm I think. I have thought that for quite a while. Interested to hear what Jerry thinks! Daniel On Feb 21, 2014, at 7:53 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
8-9 inches for an M15 mast sounds like a bit much. Especially if you notice a fair amount of weather helm. Try shortening the forestay and loosening the backstay to bring the rake down to about 5 inches to start and then try sailing the boat. With the boat sailing fairly flat there should be almost no weather helm, that will increase as she heels over under more wind. Weather helm is a safety feature but too much requires you bring the tiller to windward to counteract it and that drags the rudder away from its most efficient water flow lines and slows the boat down. Good luck with your new sails.
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Montypals:
Was out in the boat in the driveway yesterday making some measurements and a few adjustments on my M15 Kestrel. With mast up I raised a plumb to the top of the mast with the main halyard, Measuring from the back of the mast it looks like I have about 8-9 inches of rake aft. Is that too much? My boat has a fair amount of weather helm, but I now have new sails, and have not yet had a chance to sail with my beautiful new main. I suspect my new main will reduce weather helm. Thoughts about the mast rake?
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
Well, I put this in the wrong thread earlier, so here's a repeat. "You can read a lot of opinions on mast rake, including Jerry's, here: http://www.msog.org/how-to/mastrake.cfm Scroll down the page a little." ------- John Tyner M-15 #412 "Chimpanzee" On 2/21/2014 10:56 PM, Daniel Rich wrote:
I have no backstay, but I will go ahead and move the forestay pin one notch, and the shroud pins one notch and remeasure. My boat seems to have too much weather helm I think. I have thought that for quite a while.
Interested to hear what Jerry thinks!
Daniel On Feb 21, 2014, at 7:53 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
8-9 inches for an M15 mast sounds like a bit much. Especially if you notice a fair amount of weather helm. Try shortening the forestay and loosening the backstay to bring the rake down to about 5 inches to start and then try sailing the boat. With the boat sailing fairly flat there should be almost no weather helm, that will increase as she heels over under more wind. Weather helm is a safety feature but too much requires you bring the tiller to windward to counteract it and that drags the rudder away from its most efficient water flow lines and slows the boat down. Good luck with your new sails.
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Montypals:
Was out in the boat in the driveway yesterday making some measurements and a few adjustments on my M15 Kestrel. With mast up I raised a plumb to the top of the mast with the main halyard, Measuring from the back of the mast it looks like I have about 8-9 inches of rake aft. Is that too much? My boat has a fair amount of weather helm, but I now have new sails, and have not yet had a chance to sail with my beautiful new main. I suspect my new main will reduce weather helm. Thoughts about the mast rake?
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
Dan- try the new main first, but if that doesn't control the problem take some rake out. jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Rich" <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 7:56 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast rake I have no backstay, but I will go ahead and move the forestay pin one notch, and the shroud pins one notch and remeasure. My boat seems to have too much weather helm I think. I have thought that for quite a while. Interested to hear what Jerry thinks! Daniel On Feb 21, 2014, at 7:53 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
8-9 inches for an M15 mast sounds like a bit much. Especially if you notice a fair amount of weather helm. Try shortening the forestay and loosening the backstay to bring the rake down to about 5 inches to start and then try sailing the boat. With the boat sailing fairly flat there should be almost no weather helm, that will increase as she heels over under more wind. Weather helm is a safety feature but too much requires you bring the tiller to windward to counteract it and that drags the rudder away from its most efficient water flow lines and slows the boat down. Good luck with your new sails.
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Montypals:
Was out in the boat in the driveway yesterday making some measurements and a few adjustments on my M15 Kestrel. With mast up I raised a plumb to the top of the mast with the main halyard, Measuring from the back of the mast it looks like I have about 8-9 inches of rake aft. Is that too much? My boat has a fair amount of weather helm, but I now have new sails, and have not yet had a chance to sail with my beautiful new main. I suspect my new main will reduce weather helm. Thoughts about the mast rake?
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
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That is what I will try. Unfortunately my new jib is stalled because when the new one came it was too big in the luff! So, being remade. Still using the old baggy jib. Daniel On Mar 2, 2014, at 10:43 AM, jerry montgomery <jerry@jerrymontgomery.org> wrote:
Dan- try the new main first, but if that doesn't control the problem take some rake out.
jerry ----- Original Message ----- From: "Daniel Rich" <danielgrich@gmail.com> To: "For and about Montgomery Sailboats" <montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com> Sent: Friday, February 21, 2014 7:56 PM Subject: Re: M_Boats: mast rake
I have no backstay, but I will go ahead and move the forestay pin one notch, and the shroud pins one notch and remeasure. My boat seems to have too much weather helm I think. I have thought that for quite a while.
Interested to hear what Jerry thinks!
Daniel On Feb 21, 2014, at 7:53 PM, Thomas Buzzi <thomaspbuzzi@gmail.com> wrote:
8-9 inches for an M15 mast sounds like a bit much. Especially if you notice a fair amount of weather helm. Try shortening the forestay and loosening the backstay to bring the rake down to about 5 inches to start and then try sailing the boat. With the boat sailing fairly flat there should be almost no weather helm, that will increase as she heels over under more wind. Weather helm is a safety feature but too much requires you bring the tiller to windward to counteract it and that drags the rudder away from its most efficient water flow lines and slows the boat down. Good luck with your new sails.
On Fri, Feb 21, 2014 at 8:53 PM, Daniel Rich <danielgrich@gmail.com> wrote:
Montypals:
Was out in the boat in the driveway yesterday making some measurements and a few adjustments on my M15 Kestrel. With mast up I raised a plumb to the top of the mast with the main halyard, Measuring from the back of the mast it looks like I have about 8-9 inches of rake aft. Is that too much? My boat has a fair amount of weather helm, but I now have new sails, and have not yet had a chance to sail with my beautiful new main. I suspect my new main will reduce weather helm. Thoughts about the mast rake?
Daniel Rich M15 #208 "Kestrel" danielgrich@gmail.com
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