From: SALGLESSER@aol.com Date: Fri, 26 Nov 2010 14:26:54 -0500 To: montgomery_boats@mailman.xmission.com Subject: M_Boats: Need some "Sage" advice

Hi all, As some of you know, my wife Gail and I are involved in the development and eventual production of a new Jerry Montgomery design called the Sage

Hi Ron, Good input, thanx. I did check out Griselda when you first mentioned her here. Beautiful boat. I hope the new owner is pleased and I look forward to seeing her in Havasu. Stan Sussman says that she (FK model) was fast beyond her numbers. I think Eldor and Dorothy would agree. I can understanding your need to change though. If a successful marriage is determined by the bad habits you are willing to tolerate, I guess a boat offers the same compromise. sal In a message dated 11/26/2010 5:06:42 P.M. Mountain Standard Time, ronkeeler@hotmail.com writes: Several years ago, I owned a keel/CB Slipper 17 which had the centerboard pennant run to the bridge deck through a heavy PVC pipe which was glassed into the bottom of the boat. When my pennant broke, I replaced the PVC tube with another one with a threaded fitting at the bottom which I glassed into the hull. I then put a long shackle through the hole in the board (I had to remove the board to do this) so the shackle was sticking out of the threaded fitting. I attached the new SS penant to the schackle with an eye with press fittings. I was then able to run the wire through the new tube which had a threaded end to fit the fitting in the hull and a flange to attach to the underside of the bridge deck. The next time I had to replace the pennant it took about 30 minutes to unscrew the tube and crimp on a new wire. I sailed that boat for 17 years until I moved to Germany and sold her. BTW, I currently own one of those origonal fin keel M17s until Monday when the new owner will pick up Griselda. You can see pictures of the boat on the Sailing Texas website Sailboat Photo Gallery and the new owner is going to try to make Havasu with her. It will still be in the active ads until it is paid for and picked up on Monday. I love the boat but just don't have deep enough water to moor her at my dock or to cross the bar between my cove and the river to access the main part of Lake Livingston. Besides, I like the Seaward Fox I replaced her with as well as I did the Slipper 17 (same hull) I sailed for years. The 20 inch deep wing keel is not nearly as good to windward as the Monty but all boats are a compromise. Whitebeard 17.

As all trailer sailors know, a shoal draft offers real advantage in launching and sailing shallow waters. Also, as most sailors know, going upwind efficiently is best with a deep keel. Some feel the bigger the stick, the deeper the keel. The keel-centerboard is a logical synthesis of the two needs and that’s why Jerry Montgomery and Lyle Hess chose this option. In fact, as I understand, the early Monty 17’s had a deep (3’7”) keel and the design was later adjusted because of the associated problems (launching & shallow water) with a trailerable deep keeled sailboat. I have followed problems with the pendant on some of the Monty forums as well as the current dilemma Sean Mulligan is facing with his pendant on Dauntless. Gail and I feel that the owner of any product should be able to perform, with the assistance of the factory, maintenance and repairs on their product. As Robbin suggested, early thinking of this problem would be beneficial. The Sage 17 is a keel-centerboard design with a fiberglass / lead centerboard of approx 150-250 lbs (pending Jerry's decision). While we’ re in the development stage of the boat, we'd like to find and incorporate a “ built in ” solution to the pendant / centerboard maintenance question, preferably without using a hoist. Jerry has come up with some well thought out ideas on centerboards, but we would also like to solicit any thoughts or solutions that trailer sailors, especially Monty sailors might have entertained. It would be nice to offer a new Sage 17 to any great ideas, but it is a bit beyond our means. We can offer a very nice high quality knife to anyone that comes up with any idea that we use. Pending Jerry’s approval, of course. Thanx in advance for your thinking time. Salngail M-15 “Justus” 1986 #361 _______________________________________________ http://mailman.xmission.com/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/montgomery_boats

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